Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are also, and how? I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french fries are a vegetable! My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent, because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans. Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one? Tess " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food. Elchanan vegwriter [vegwriter] Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard American Diet ... Hi Marjorie, Good for you for taking action! This is a challenge for sure. Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and some of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they served was carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told the boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free hors d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any food brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was most uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce and a few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while the others ate unhealthy food. All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of raw food, the better. J. In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mroswell writes: Hi, I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for the staff meetings (duh.) The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the director, had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm sure our next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but nevertheless, the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all non-organic fruits, including strawberries, and grapes, which according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins. So, anyhow, that's where we're at. I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.) Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people. (I think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger group.) One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40 cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them. Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them. Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......) I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution... -- Marjorie Roswell 3443 Guilford Terrace Baltimore, MD 21218 mroswell 410-467-3727 Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Tess, I did have a man like that in my life when I first went to vegetarian. he was a boyfriend and I got rid of him, lol. SInce your married its not that easy. I can only think to point out to him that you are not pressing your ideas on him and you would appreciate the same treatment from him. Kind of a do un to others as you would like them to do to you. Have you ever sat down and wrote him a letter explaining to him in a clear way how much this means to you and how much his behavior is hurting you. I had a husband that was like that, and it was so hard, he never cared for my well thought out letters however. I got rid of him too. Now Im a happy raw eating single lady, lol. Tess West <tesser2u wrote: This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are also, and how? I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french fries are a vegetable! My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent, because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans. Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one? Tess " INFO @ Vibrant Life " wrote: I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food. Elchanan vegwriter [vegwriter] Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard American Diet ... Hi Marjorie, Good for you for taking action! This is a challenge for sure. Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and some of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they served was carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told the boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free hors d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any food brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was most uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce and a few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while the others ate unhealthy food. All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of raw food, the better. J. In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mroswell writes: Hi, I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for the staff meetings (duh.) The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the director, had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm sure our next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but nevertheless, the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all non-organic fruits, including strawberries, and grapes, which according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins. So, anyhow, that's where we're at. I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.) Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people. (I think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger group.) One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40 cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them. Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them. Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......) I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution... -- Marjorie Roswell 3443 Guilford Terrace Baltimore, MD 21218 mroswell 410-467-3727 Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I think there are situations where acceptance is called for, and situations where it isn't. In my case, the Krispy Kremes at the health policy meetings were over my line in the sand...I don't find it acceptable...and I brought the issue to the attention of the director, who seems to have been okay with making a change away from that. Anyhow, just because i find something NOT acceptable, doesn't mean " they " are going to change, I do know that. But in some environments (health policy organization meetings, for instance) I'm truly hoping to expand some boundaries... move from krispy kremes and diet coke ... to other solutions. Regarding your particular email below... i've noticed that humor can often make one person (the person making the jokes) feel quite good... witty, smart... while making another person feel quite the opposite. Anyhow, from his perspective the raw book writers are charlatans. It's not an easy situation. Would love to hear how you work through it. Margie On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Tess West wrote: > > > This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are > also, and how? > I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks > ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any > kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french > fries are a vegetable! > My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot > change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my > husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent, > because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over > the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even > calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans. > Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one? > > Tess > > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: > > I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I > have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not > perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food. > > Elchanan > > > vegwriter [vegwriter] > Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard > American Diet ... > > > Hi Marjorie, > > Good for you for taking action! > This is a challenge for sure. > > Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and > some > of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the > party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they > served was > carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told the > > boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free hors > d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any > food > brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was most > uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce > and a > few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while > the others ate unhealthy food. > > All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of > raw > food, the better. > > J. > > In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, > mroswell writes: > > Hi, > > I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people > > I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for > the staff meetings (duh.) > > The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the > director, had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm > sure our next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but > nevertheless, the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all > non-organic fruits, including strawberries, and grapes, which > according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the > bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins. > > So, anyhow, that's where we're at. > > I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if > the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you > have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already > going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.) > > Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good > meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people. > (I think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger > group.) > > > > One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic > juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40 > cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them. > > Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them. > > > Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a > kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the > vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......) > > I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with > the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution... > > > -- > Marjorie Roswell > 3443 Guilford Terrace > Baltimore, MD 21218 > mroswell > 410-467-3727 > Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 You're going to get viiolent opposition from people who don't believe in this diet. That's just the way it is, something to deal with. People are protecting their own beliefs about how they want to eat. Deep down inside, they know you're right, that's why they comment negatively about it so loudly. rawfood , Tess West <tesser2u> wrote: > > This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are also, and how? > > I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french fries are a vegetable! > > My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent, because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans. > > Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one? > > Tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Thanks Froggy. At least I know that I am not alone. Froggy <seconaphim wrote: You're going to get viiolent opposition from people who don't believe in this diet. That's just the way it is, something to deal with. People are protecting their own beliefs about how they want to eat. Deep down inside, they know you're right, that's why they comment negatively about it so loudly. rawfood , Tess West <tesser2u> wrote: > > This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are also, and how? > > I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french fries are a vegetable! > > My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent, because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans. > > Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one? > > Tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Tara, Thanks for the encouragement! I do like to write letters like that. I express myself more clearly in writing than I do while speaking. Maybe because I can say what I want to say without interruption and with more equanimity than if I am speaking to someone face to face. I'll give it a try!~Tess Tara <peechysweett71 wrote: Tess, I did have a man like that in my life when I first went to vegetarian. he was a boyfriend and I got rid of him, lol. SInce your married its not that easy. I can only think to point out to him that you are not pressing your ideas on him and you would appreciate the same treatment from him. Kind of a do un to others as you would like them to do to you. Have you ever sat down and wrote him a letter explaining to him in a clear way how much this means to you and how much his behavior is hurting you. I had a husband that was like that, and it was so hard, he never cared for my well thought out letters however. I got rid of him too. Now Im a happy raw eating single lady, lol. Tess West wrote: This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are also, and how? I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french fries are a vegetable! My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent, because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans. Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one? Tess " INFO @ Vibrant Life " wrote: I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food. Elchanan vegwriter [vegwriter] Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard American Diet ... Hi Marjorie, Good for you for taking action! This is a challenge for sure. Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and some of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they served was carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told the boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free hors d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any food brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was most uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce and a few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while the others ate unhealthy food. All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of raw food, the better. J. In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, mroswell writes: Hi, I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for the staff meetings (duh.) The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the director, had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm sure our next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but nevertheless, the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all non-organic fruits, including strawberries, and grapes, which according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins. So, anyhow, that's where we're at. I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.) Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people. (I think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger group.) One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40 cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them. Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them. Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......) I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution... -- Marjorie Roswell 3443 Guilford Terrace Baltimore, MD 21218 mroswell 410-467-3727 Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I'm certainly pretty brave on here. Face to face is a different kind of communication, there's facial expressions and adjustments to other's personalities to take into consideration. I don't say much face to face to people, it doesn't seem necessary to say much when you've got all those added qualities that a live discussion has. And on here, I can pause and think about how I want to express something, where face to face the pace is quicker. I certainly can pour forth an opinion on here, that seems obvious. rawfood , Tess West <tesser2u> wrote: > > Tara, > > Thanks for the encouragement! I do like to write letters like that. I express myself more clearly in writing than I do while speaking. Maybe because I can say what I want to say without interruption and with more equanimity than if I am speaking to someone face to face. > > I'll give it a try!~Tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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