RE: Accepting [s]

February 17, 2005

Hi Tess,

You are DEFINITELY not alone!!! In my own personal experience, many people

have expressed that it is hardest to share their newfound discoveries with

those they love the most -- spouses, children, other family, closest

friends.

I have a few brief thoughts to share that may be helpful, but there is no

perfect " answer " of which I am aware.

First, continually seek out your own greatest clarity. The more fully you

feel connected with yourself and with Divinity (whatever that may mean to

you), the easier it likely becomes to stand straight on your own.

Second, try and perceive your husband's comments, gestures, body language,

etc. as expressions of his own fear or pain that have absolutely -- and I

mean absolutely -- nothing to do with you. The moment you take things

personally, you're headed in in a self-defeating direction together. Perhaps

he is concerned for your well-being. Perhaps he is fearful that, as you

reach out to new people and resources, you won't love or need him as you

have in the past. (In this, he is likely correct in a sense ... as we

change, all our connections and associations change.) He may be fearful that

your new ways may cost him some friendships, or credibility with his

friends, or .... It is impossible to set forth a comprehensive list, only

possible to offer a few suggestions as to what he may be feeling inside.

Third, explore your own self-love. To perceive your husband's words and

actions in such a way may require that you delve into yourself, to seek out

and find the depth of your own self-love. We have been offered the teaching,

" Love thy neighbor as thyself. " The implication is that our capacity to love

another is bounded by our capacity for self love at any moment in time.

Finally, standing in the purest self-love and the greatest clarity you can

find from within, communicate with him. Let him know that your relationship

with him is central in your life, even as caring for yourself is, as well.

Invite him -- literally ask him -- to express what is on him mind in ways

that you can receive and understand. I imagine you get the point.

One last observation.... You may find compassionate communication techniques

constructive. There is an approach to communicating, called Nonviolent

Communication, created by a man called Marshall Rosenberg. There is a very

strong NVC community throughout the SF Bay Area. baynvc.org

Best,

Elchanan

Tess West [tesser2u]

Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:34 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] accepting

This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are

also, and how?

I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks ago to

be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any kind except

corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french fries are a

vegetable!

My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot change

anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my husband is

almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent, because that's

how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over the last few weeks,

but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even calling people involved

in writing books etc charlatans.

Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one?

Tess

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I

have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not

perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food.

Elchanan

vegwriter [vegwriter]

Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard

American Diet ...

Hi Marjorie,

Good for you for taking action!

This is a challenge for sure.

Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and

some

of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the

party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they

served was

carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told the

boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free hors

d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any

food

brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was most

uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce

and a

few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while

the others ate unhealthy food.

All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of

raw

food, the better.

J.

In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mroswell writes:

Hi,

I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people

I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for the

staff meetings (duh.)

The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the director,

had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm sure our

next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but nevertheless,

the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all non-organic fruits,

including strawberries, and grapes, which

according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the

bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins.

So, anyhow, that's where we're at.

I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if

the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you

have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already

going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.)

Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good

meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people. (I

think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger

group.)

One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic

juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40

cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them.

Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them.

Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a

kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the

vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......)

I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with

the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution...

--

Marjorie Roswell

3443 Guilford Terrace

Baltimore, MD 21218

mroswell

410-467-3727

Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org

February 17, 2005

There is an axiom, a saying, that " what we resist, persists. " BE a living

invitation, then give others, in their own time and space, the free

opportunity to accept it. Respect the liberty of all -- each person's

choices are his/her own, by right of Creation. Live fully as you choose, and

let others come to desire what you have. They will come to you, if you let

them.

Elchanan

Margie Roswell [mroswell]

Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:14 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] accepting

I think there are situations where acceptance is called for, and

situations where it isn't.

In my case, the Krispy Kremes at the health policy meetings were over my

line in the sand...I don't find it acceptable...and I brought the issue to

the attention of the director, who seems to have been okay with making a

change away from that.

Anyhow, just because i find something NOT acceptable, doesn't mean " they "

are going to change, I do know that. But in some environments (health

policy organization meetings, for instance) I'm truly hoping to expand

some boundaries... move from krispy kremes and diet coke ... to other

solutions.

Regarding your particular email below... i've noticed that humor can often

make one person (the person making the jokes) feel quite good... witty,

smart... while making another person feel quite the opposite.

Anyhow, from his perspective the raw book writers are charlatans. It's not

an easy situation. Would love to hear how you work through it.

Margie

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005,

Tess West wrote:

>

> This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are

> also, and how?

> I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks

> ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any

> kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french

> fries are a vegetable!

> My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot

> change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my

> husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent,

> because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over

> the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even

> calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans.

> Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one?

>

> Tess

>

> " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

>

> I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I

> have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not

> perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food.

>

> Elchanan

>

> vegwriter [vegwriter]

> Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard

> American Diet ...

>

> Hi Marjorie,

>

> Good for you for taking action!

> This is a challenge for sure.

>

> Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and

> some

> of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the

> party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they

> served was

> carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told

the

>

> boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free

hors

> d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any

> food

> brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was

most

> uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce

> and a

> few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while

> the others ate unhealthy food.

>

> All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of

> raw

> food, the better.

>

> J.

>

> In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> mroswell writes:

>

> Hi,

>

> I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people

>

> I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for

> the staff meetings (duh.)

>

> The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the

> director, had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm

> sure our next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but

> nevertheless, the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all

> non-organic fruits, including strawberries, and grapes, which

> according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the

> bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins.

>

> So, anyhow, that's where we're at.

>

> I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if

> the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you

> have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already

> going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.)

>

> Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good

> meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people.

> (I think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger

> group.)

>

> One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic

> juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40

> cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them.

>

> Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them.

>

> Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a

> kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the

> vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......)

>

> I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with

> the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution...

>

> --

> Marjorie Roswell

> 3443 Guilford Terrace

> Baltimore, MD 21218

> mroswell

> 410-467-3727

> Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org

>

February 17, 2005

okay, will try to do that. I'm certainly not perfect...

(understatement!)

I am impatient, though. I have had 4 members of my social community die

since the election.

1 from Cancer

1 from heart attack (age 52)

1 from infection (age 25)

1 from pulmonary arterial hypertension (age 74)

Before the election (which is how last year seems to divide), I lost 3.

1 from heart attack

1 from cancer

1 from stroke

I had had substantial conversations.... a real connection with four or

five of these people. So, maybe these losses are what account for some of

my sense of urgency.

It's hard to bear knowing that our hospitals are generally causing so much

harm...

Kaiser, by the way, is doing some pretty innovative stuff. There is some

development in this area.

Sincerely,

Margie

P.S. Resistance isn't all bad. Sometimes it's a good thing. Leading by

example, is certainly also a good thing. (that's in essence what I'm

asking of our health leaders...too... but as the song goes: " My own life

is all I can hope to control....let my life...be lived for the good of my

soul...let it bring peace... peace will.... peace will come... let it

begin with me. "

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, INFO @ Vibrant Life wrote:

>

> There is an axiom, a saying, that " what we resist, persists. " BE a living

> invitation, then give others, in their own time and space, the free

> opportunity to accept it. Respect the liberty of all -- each person's

> choices are his/her own, by right of Creation. Live fully as you choose, and

> let others come to desire what you have. They will come to you, if you let

> them.

> Elchanan

>

> Margie Roswell [mroswell]

> Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:14 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] accepting

>

> I think there are situations where acceptance is called for, and

> situations where it isn't.

>

> In my case, the Krispy Kremes at the health policy meetings were over my

> line in the sand...I don't find it acceptable...and I brought the issue to

> the attention of the director, who seems to have been okay with making a

> change away from that.

>

> Anyhow, just because i find something NOT acceptable, doesn't mean " they "

> are going to change, I do know that. But in some environments (health

> policy organization meetings, for instance) I'm truly hoping to expand

> some boundaries... move from krispy kremes and diet coke ... to other

> solutions.

>

> Regarding your particular email below... i've noticed that humor can often

> make one person (the person making the jokes) feel quite good... witty,

> smart... while making another person feel quite the opposite.

>

> Anyhow, from his perspective the raw book writers are charlatans. It's not

> an easy situation. Would love to hear how you work through it.

>

> Margie

>

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005,

> Tess West wrote:

>

> >

> > This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are

> > also, and how?

> > I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks

> > ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any

> > kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french

> > fries are a vegetable!

> > My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot

> > change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my

> > husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent,

> > because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over

> > the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even

> > calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans.

> > Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one?

> >

> > Tess

> >

> > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

> >

> > I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I

> > have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not

> > perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food.

> >

> > Elchanan

> >

> > vegwriter [vegwriter]

> > Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard

> > American Diet ...

> >

> > Hi Marjorie,

> >

> > Good for you for taking action!

> > This is a challenge for sure.

> >

> > Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and

> > some

> > of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the

> > party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they

> > served was

> > carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told

> the

> >

> > boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free

> hors

> > d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any

> > food

> > brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was

> most

> > uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce

> > and a

> > few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while

>

> > the others ate unhealthy food.

> >

> > All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of

> > raw

> > food, the better.

> >

> > J.

> >

> > In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > mroswell writes:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people

> >

> > I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for

> > the staff meetings (duh.)

> >

> > The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the

> > director, had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm

> > sure our next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but

> > nevertheless, the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all

> > non-organic fruits, including strawberries, and grapes, which

> > according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the

>

> > bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins.

> >

> > So, anyhow, that's where we're at.

> >

> > I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if

> > the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you

> > have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already

> > going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.)

> >

> > Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good

> > meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people.

> > (I think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger

> > group.)

> >

> > One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic

> > juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40

> > cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them.

> >

> > Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them.

> >

> > Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a

> > kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the

> > vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......)

> >

> > I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with

> > the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution...

> >

> > --

> > Marjorie Roswell

> > 3443 Guilford Terrace

> > Baltimore, MD 21218

> > mroswell

> > 410-467-3727

> > Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org

> >

February 17, 2005

Margie,

I agree about Kaiser being a little more innovative than the other health care

providers.

I spoke with a man today who's wife is a nurse for Kaiser. He said they have

two accupuncturists in California, one who was trained at UCLA. He said it may

be difficult to get an appointment with them because they do not advertise that

they are available or covered, etc... , but it was my impression they were

covered under the Kaiser plan.

Maureen

Margie Roswell <mroswell wrote:

okay, will try to do that. I'm certainly not perfect...

(understatement!)

I am impatient, though. I have had 4 members of my social community die

since the election.

1 from Cancer

1 from heart attack (age 52)

1 from infection (age 25)

1 from pulmonary arterial hypertension (age 74)

Before the election (which is how last year seems to divide), I lost 3.

1 from heart attack

1 from cancer

1 from stroke

I had had substantial conversations.... a real connection with four or

five of these people. So, maybe these losses are what account for some of

my sense of urgency.

It's hard to bear knowing that our hospitals are generally causing so much

harm...

Kaiser, by the way, is doing some pretty innovative stuff. There is some

development in this area.

Sincerely,

Margie

P.S. Resistance isn't all bad. Sometimes it's a good thing. Leading by

example, is certainly also a good thing. (that's in essence what I'm

asking of our health leaders...too... but as the song goes: " My own life

is all I can hope to control....let my life...be lived for the good of my

soul...let it bring peace... peace will.... peace will come... let it

begin with me. "

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, INFO @ Vibrant Life wrote:

>

> There is an axiom, a saying, that " what we resist, persists. " BE a living

> invitation, then give others, in their own time and space, the free

> opportunity to accept it. Respect the liberty of all -- each person's

> choices are his/her own, by right of Creation. Live fully as you choose, and

> let others come to desire what you have. They will come to you, if you let

> them.

> Elchanan

>

> Margie Roswell [mroswell]

> Thursday, February 17, 2005 1:14 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] accepting

>

> I think there are situations where acceptance is called for, and

> situations where it isn't.

>

> In my case, the Krispy Kremes at the health policy meetings were over my

> line in the sand...I don't find it acceptable...and I brought the issue to

> the attention of the director, who seems to have been okay with making a

> change away from that.

>

> Anyhow, just because i find something NOT acceptable, doesn't mean " they "

> are going to change, I do know that. But in some environments (health

> policy organization meetings, for instance) I'm truly hoping to expand

> some boundaries... move from krispy kremes and diet coke ... to other

> solutions.

>

> Regarding your particular email below... i've noticed that humor can often

> make one person (the person making the jokes) feel quite good... witty,

> smart... while making another person feel quite the opposite.

>

> Anyhow, from his perspective the raw book writers are charlatans. It's not

> an easy situation. Would love to hear how you work through it.

>

> Margie

>

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005,

> Tess West wrote:

>

> >

> > This brings up something that I am dealing with and wonder if others are

> > also, and how?

> > I only recently began changing to the raw food lifestyle-three weeks

> > ago to be exact. My husband does not eat vegetables or fruits of any

> > kind except corn, potatos and orange juice. Basically, he thinks french

> > fries are a vegetable!

> > My problem is not with the way he eats, because I agree that I cannot

> > change anyone else. The only person I hope to change is me. But my

> > husband is almost " violently " opposed to these changes. I say violent,

> > because that's how strong his reaction was. He has mellowed some over

> > the last few weeks, but continues to pout about it, make fun of it, even

> > calling people involved in writing books etc charlatans.

> > Anyone else have this happen, or am I the only one?

> >

> > Tess

> >

> > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

> >

> > I accept the others as they are now, not as I wish they would become, as I

> > have learned that I can only change or control myself, and even, that not

> > perfectly so. I am there for the people/circumstances, not for the food.

> >

> > Elchanan

> >

> > vegwriter [vegwriter]

> > Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:20 AM

> > rawfood

> > Re: [Raw Food] Seeking Meeting Foods suggestions (for Standard

> > American Diet ...

> >

> > Hi Marjorie,

> >

> > Good for you for taking action!

> > This is a challenge for sure.

> >

> > Last year my then-boss threw a holiday " party " for his few employees and

> > some

> > of his clients. (Because he was too cheap to give bonuses.) He held the

> > party in a small room of a local restaurant. As you can guess, all they

> > served was

> > carnivorous food. Knowing in advance that this would be the case, I told

> the

> >

> > boss that I had some raw chef friends who were willing to provide free

> hors

> > d'oeuvres and desserts. He said no, that the restaurant wouldn't want any

> > food

> > brought in. I had to go to the party for political reasons. But it was

> most

> > uncomfortable. I sat there pretending to enjoy a plate of iceberg lettuce

> > and a

> > few cucumber slices (no dressing, because it would have been cooked) while

>

> > the others ate unhealthy food.

> >

> > All I can say is, the faster we can turn more people onto the benefits of

> > raw

> > food, the better.

> >

> > J.

> >

> > In a message dated 2/17/2005 10:48:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > mroswell writes:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I occasionally attend meetings of health care policy people

> >

> > I persuaded my workplace (I think) to stop purchasing Krispee Kremes for

> > the staff meetings (duh.)

> >

> > The last meeting, probably as a result of my conversation with the

> > director, had no coca-cola, either (the official campus soda company). I'm

> > sure our next _luncheon_ will have coke and diet coke, per usual, but

> > nevertheless, the director was proud of the fruit plate (with all

> > non-organic fruits, including strawberries, and grapes, which

> > according to foodnews.org are the most pesticide-conatminated...), and the

>

> > bagels and cream cheese, and some little processed-flour/sugar muffins.

> >

> > So, anyhow, that's where we're at.

> >

> > I'd love to suggest more healthful solutions. They might be open to it if

> > the solution feels manageable. Of course, the campus has a rule that you

> > have to purchase food from the official campus vendor, so that's already

> > going to be a challenge to get around (they offer NOTHING organic.)

> >

> > Okay, anyhow: Can you (everyone on this list!?) offer suggestions for good

> > meeting foods, for say, a meeting of 40 people, or a meeting of 8 people.

> > (I think you can do things for the latter that wouldn't work for a larger

> > group.)

> >

> > One idea: order 160 oranges, clementines and tangerines, 4 automatic

> > juicers, 4 cutting boards, 4 knives, 4 strainers, 4 bowls with lips, 40

> > cups, some hulled walnuts, and 4 bowls for them.

> >

> > Set out four stations, for people to cut oranges, and juice them.

> >

> > Arrange with the campus to have all the dishes washed --we don't have a

> > kitchen in our office. (Also, arrange with the campus to bypass the

> > vendor-only requirement, unless they can offer organic oranges......)

> >

> > I wonder how much this solution would cost? And how it would compare with

> > the cost of the bagels / cream cheese / muffin /fruit platter solution...

> >

> > --

> > Marjorie Roswell

> > 3443 Guilford Terrace

> > Baltimore, MD 21218

> > mroswell

> > 410-467-3727

> > Newest Site: rawfoodwiki.org

> >

February 18, 2005

Elchanan,

Thank you so much! What incredible insight and suggestions you offered. I am

very grateful!

I very much resonate with all you said and will check out the non-violent

communication group.

tess