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Hi Debbie,

 

I have a friend who had (note the past tense!!!) Lupus, severe form. She

resolved the matter by fasting, but I believe it took a couple of fasts. She

also transitioned to raw food, the low fat/high fruit/water/oxygen approach.

No Lupus in years, to the best of my knowledge, the " incurable " disease is

simply gone.

 

I am presently seeking her permission to connect the two of you (and also

for you, Helene), as she is very articulate and bright and eager to share

with others. Will F/U privately upon receiving permission.

 

Elchanan

 

 

Debbie S. [dlsherman422]

Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:00 PM

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[Raw Food] Lupus help?

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest

form of lupus.. wondering if anyone has any specific

info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? and

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel

fuhrman's, patenaude's...

thanks very much!

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Go to http://www.lupusrecoverydiet.com/. There you'll find what you seek,

and I imagine much, much more.

Elchanan

 

 

Debbie S. [dlsherman422]

Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:00 PM

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[Raw Food] Lupus help?

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest

form of lupus.. wondering if anyone has any specific

info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? and

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel

fuhrman's, patenaude's...

thanks very much!

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I'd love to talk to her. Thank you very much. Lane (aka Helene)

 

Hi Debbie,<BR>

<BR>

I have a friend who had (note the past tense!!!) Lupus, severe form.

She<BR>

resolved the matter by fasting, but I believe it took a couple of fasts.

She<BR>

also transitioned to raw food, the low fat/high fruit/water/oxygen

approach.<BR>

No Lupus in years, to the best of my knowledge, the & quot;incurable &

quot; disease is<BR>

simply gone. <BR>

<BR>

I am presently seeking her permission to connect the two of you (and

also<BR>

for you, Helene), as she is very articulate and bright and eager to

share<BR>

with others. Will F/U privately upon receiving permission. <BR>

<BR>

Elchanan<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

Debbie S. [dlsherman422] <BR>

Saturday, February 19, 2005 2:00 PM<BR>

rawfood <BR>

[Raw Food] Lupus help? <BR>

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest<BR>

form of lupus.. & nbsp; wondering if anyone has any specific<BR>

info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? & nbsp; and<BR>

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel<BR>

fuhrman's, patenaude's...<BR>

<BR>

thanks very much!<BR>

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Hi Steven et al,

 

Yes, lupus can can indeed disappear from permanently, as can STDs and all

sort of other " incurables. " Go to http://www.lupusrecoverydiet.com/

 

Elchanan

 

 

Steven [rawfasting]

Sunday, February 20, 2005 5:40 PM

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RE: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

Well then stop eating cooked food. Lupus will never goes completely away but

you can keep all the symptoms at bay 100% of the time. However, you will

have to stay on a living food diet. How long did you wait until you ate

cooked food after the fast?

Steven Gibb

lane [lane] On Behalf Of Helene Lynn

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Re: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

<Well I have lupus and I fasted with Dr. Furhman for three weeks. It

helped a lot. I find if I eat any cooked food all my symptons return

though. Lane

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest<BR>

form of lupus.. & nbsp; wondering if anyone has any specific<BR>

info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? & nbsp; and<BR>

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel<BR>

fuhrman's, patenaude's...<BR>

<BR>

thanks very much!<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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Hi Tara,

 

I'm curious what has let you to choose fasting with vinegar and water rather

than just water?

 

Vinegar is basically a mixture of 1 part acetic acid (yes, pure acid) with

19 parts water. Acetic acid is sold to chemical labs in jugs labeled with a

skull-and-crossbones; in this form it is deadly. But reduced to a 5%

solution, commercial organizations are permitted to sell it as " food. "

 

When you are fasting, your body will cleanse deeply. Cleansing will release

large quantities of acid, among other things, into your system. Your system

will then use alkaline minerals, many also being released during the

cleansing process, to neutralize or at least ameliorate the intensity of the

acid. This is necessary, otherwise the acid would burn your tissue severely

in certain parts of your body, particularly on the way out as urine.

 

By adding acid to an already hyperacidic biochemistry, you will simply

impede your own cleansing process, and it is possible even to cause harm to

yourself. (This is unlikely unless the quantities of vinegar are large. But

you DO have some symptoms that seem to indicate significant underlying

toxicity and prior damage to your system.)

 

I have done month+ fasts and know others who have, as well. If you would

like more information about fasting, I am happy to correspond with you.

Also, a dear friend of mine, Dr. Tim Trader, supervises fasts and is

well-known and well-regarded in fasting circles. Tim is a long-term hygienic

raw fooder, naturopath, has a Ph.D. in nutrition, is a fabulous athlete with

extensive formal education in exercise physiology. He is kind, gentle, and

has supervised many, many fasters, He does this privately, not in any kind

of " center, " so I will send his contact information privately. If anyone

else is interested in connecting here, please write to me privately.

 

Best,

Elchanan

 

 

Tara [peechysweett71]

Monday, February 21, 2005 1:53 PM

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RE: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

I havent been diagnost with Lupus, but I just recently went to my doctor

complaining of what I thought were food reactions. He did a full work up on

me and found out that my ANA (anti-nuclear antibodies) test was positive

and very high, which is a sign of lupus. He is retesting me in a couple

months before we come close to trying to diagnos it, but I have had symtoms

since I was 16. So I immediately got online and researched it and that is

what led me here to raw foods. I havent gone completely " cold turkey " from

cooked foods. but I have gradually gone from vegetarian, to vegan and now

am incorporating more raw foods. I have a goal in mind. March 1st I start

a fast with vinegar and water then I start my raw only for 40 days. That

will get me close to the time my doctor will be testing my ANA's again.

Steven <rawfasting wrote:

Well then stop eating cooked food. Lupus will never goes completely away but

you can keep all the symptoms at bay 100% of the time. However, you will

have to stay on a living food diet. How long did you wait until you ate

cooked food after the fast?

Steven Gibb

lane [lane] On Behalf Of Helene Lynn

Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:43 AM

Debbie S.; rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

<Well I have lupus and I fasted with Dr. Furhman for three weeks. It

helped a lot. I find if I eat any cooked food all my symptons return

though. Lane

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest<BR>

form of lupus.. & nbsp; wondering if anyone has any specific<BR>

info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? & nbsp; and<BR>

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel<BR>

fuhrman's, patenaude's...<BR>

<BR>

thanks very much!<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

<BR>

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EXCELLENT ADVICE!!!!!

 

 

 

 

INFO @ Vibrant Life [VLinfo]

Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:50 AM

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Hi Tara,

I'm curious what has let you to choose fasting with vinegar and water rather

than just water?

Vinegar is basically a mixture of 1 part acetic acid (yes, pure acid) with

19 parts water. Acetic acid is sold to chemical labs in jugs labeled with a

skull-and-crossbones; in this form it is deadly. But reduced to a 5%

solution, commercial organizations are permitted to sell it as " food. "

When you are fasting, your body will cleanse deeply. Cleansing will release

large quantities of acid, among other things, into your system. Your system

will then use alkaline minerals, many also being released during the

cleansing process, to neutralize or at least ameliorate the intensity of the

acid. This is necessary, otherwise the acid would burn your tissue severely

in certain parts of your body, particularly on the way out as urine.

By adding acid to an already hyperacidic biochemistry, you will simply

impede your own cleansing process, and it is possible even to cause harm to

yourself. (This is unlikely unless the quantities of vinegar are large. But

you DO have some symptoms that seem to indicate significant underlying

toxicity and prior damage to your system.)

I have done month+ fasts and know others who have, as well. If you would

like more information about fasting, I am happy to correspond with you.

Also, a dear friend of mine, Dr. Tim Trader, supervises fasts and is

well-known and well-regarded in fasting circles. Tim is a long-term hygienic

raw fooder, naturopath, has a Ph.D. in nutrition, is a fabulous athlete with

extensive formal education in exercise physiology. He is kind, gentle, and

has supervised many, many fasters, He does this privately, not in any kind

of " center, " so I will send his contact information privately. If anyone

else is interested in connecting here, please write to me privately.

Best,

Elchanan

Tara [peechysweett71]

Monday, February 21, 2005 1:53 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

I havent been diagnost with Lupus, but I just recently went to my doctor

complaining of what I thought were food reactions. He did a full work up on

me and found out that my ANA (anti-nuclear antibodies) test was positive

and very high, which is a sign of lupus. He is retesting me in a couple

months before we come close to trying to diagnos it, but I have had symtoms

since I was 16. So I immediately got online and researched it and that is

what led me here to raw foods. I havent gone completely " cold turkey " from

cooked foods. but I have gradually gone from vegetarian, to vegan and now

am incorporating more raw foods. I have a goal in mind. March 1st I start

a fast with vinegar and water then I start my raw only for 40 days. That

will get me close to the time my doctor will be testing my ANA's again.

Steven <rawfasting wrote:

Well then stop eating cooked food. Lupus will never goes completely away but

you can keep all the symptoms at bay 100% of the time. However, you will

have to stay on a living food diet. How long did you wait until you ate

cooked food after the fast?

Steven Gibb

lane [lane] On Behalf Of Helene Lynn

Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:43 AM

Debbie S.; rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

<Well I have lupus and I fasted with Dr. Furhman for three weeks. It

helped a lot. I find if I eat any cooked food all my symptons return

though. Lane

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest<BR>

form of lupus.. & nbsp; wondering if anyone has any specific<BR>

info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? & nbsp; and<BR>

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel<BR>

fuhrman's, patenaude's...<BR>

<BR>

thanks very much!<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

<BR>

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Thanks for the info, but I switched to fresh lemon juice in my water and haven't

started the fast yet, I'm waiting till after my period. Not for any reason

other then I HATE having my period and don't feel like dealing with anything

else. Plus by the time its over it will be the beginning of March and the

perfect time for a fresh start on things.

 

I appreciate your concern and really am impressed with you in depth knowledge on

everything.

 

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

 

Hi Tara,

 

I'm curious what has let you to choose fasting with vinegar and water rather

than just water?

 

Vinegar is basically a mixture of 1 part acetic acid (yes, pure acid) with

19 parts water. Acetic acid is sold to chemical labs in jugs labeled with a

skull-and-crossbones; in this form it is deadly. But reduced to a 5%

solution, commercial organizations are permitted to sell it as " food. "

 

When you are fasting, your body will cleanse deeply. Cleansing will release

large quantities of acid, among other things, into your system. Your system

will then use alkaline minerals, many also being released during the

cleansing process, to neutralize or at least ameliorate the intensity of the

acid. This is necessary, otherwise the acid would burn your tissue severely

in certain parts of your body, particularly on the way out as urine.

 

By adding acid to an already hyperacidic biochemistry, you will simply

impede your own cleansing process, and it is possible even to cause harm to

yourself. (This is unlikely unless the quantities of vinegar are large. But

you DO have some symptoms that seem to indicate significant underlying

toxicity and prior damage to your system.)

 

I have done month+ fasts and know others who have, as well. If you would

like more information about fasting, I am happy to correspond with you.

Also, a dear friend of mine, Dr. Tim Trader, supervises fasts and is

well-known and well-regarded in fasting circles. Tim is a long-term hygienic

raw fooder, naturopath, has a Ph.D. in nutrition, is a fabulous athlete with

extensive formal education in exercise physiology. He is kind, gentle, and

has supervised many, many fasters, He does this privately, not in any kind

of " center, " so I will send his contact information privately. If anyone

else is interested in connecting here, please write to me privately.

 

Best,

Elchanan

 

 

Tara [peechysweett71]

Monday, February 21, 2005 1:53 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

I havent been diagnost with Lupus, but I just recently went to my doctor

complaining of what I thought were food reactions. He did a full work up on

me and found out that my ANA (anti-nuclear antibodies) test was positive

and very high, which is a sign of lupus. He is retesting me in a couple

months before we come close to trying to diagnos it, but I have had symtoms

since I was 16. So I immediately got online and researched it and that is

what led me here to raw foods. I havent gone completely " cold turkey " from

cooked foods. but I have gradually gone from vegetarian, to vegan and now

am incorporating more raw foods. I have a goal in mind. March 1st I start

a fast with vinegar and water then I start my raw only for 40 days. That

will get me close to the time my doctor will be testing my ANA's again.

Steven <rawfasting wrote:

Well then stop eating cooked food. Lupus will never goes completely away but

you can keep all the symptoms at bay 100% of the time. However, you will

have to stay on a living food diet. How long did you wait until you ate

cooked food after the fast?

Steven Gibb

lane [lane] On Behalf Of Helene Lynn

Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:43 AM

Debbie S.; rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

<Well I have lupus and I fasted with Dr. Furhman for three weeks. It

helped a lot. I find if I eat any cooked food all my symptons return

though. Lane

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest<BR>

form of lupus.. & nbsp; wondering if anyone has any specific<BR>

info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? & nbsp; and<BR>

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel<BR>

fuhrman's, patenaude's...<BR>

<BR>

thanks very much!<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

& nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp;

<BR>

<BR>

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:) Here's an idea for you. As the fast progresses, start reducing the

quantity of lemon juice in the water. See if you can get it down to a drop

or two per glass of water, just enough to create a lemony taste. Just a

thought,

Elchanan

 

 

Tara [peechysweett71]

Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:04 AM

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RE: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

Thanks for the info, but I switched to fresh lemon juice in my water and

haven't started the fast yet, I'm waiting till after my period. Not for any

reason other then I HATE having my period and don't feel like dealing with

anything else. Plus by the time its over it will be the beginning of March

and the perfect time for a fresh start on things.

I appreciate your concern and really am impressed with you in depth

knowledge on everything.

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

Hi Tara,

I'm curious what has let you to choose fasting with vinegar and water rather

than just water?

Vinegar is basically a mixture of 1 part acetic acid (yes, pure acid) with

19 parts water. Acetic acid is sold to chemical labs in jugs labeled with a

skull-and-crossbones; in this form it is deadly. But reduced to a 5%

solution, commercial organizations are permitted to sell it as " food. "

When you are fasting, your body will cleanse deeply. Cleansing will release

large quantities of acid, among other things, into your system. Your system

will then use alkaline minerals, many also being released during the

cleansing process, to neutralize or at least ameliorate the intensity of the

acid. This is necessary, otherwise the acid would burn your tissue severely

in certain parts of your body, particularly on the way out as urine.

By adding acid to an already hyperacidic biochemistry, you will simply

impede your own cleansing process, and it is possible even to cause harm to

yourself. (This is unlikely unless the quantities of vinegar are large. But

you DO have some symptoms that seem to indicate significant underlying

toxicity and prior damage to your system.)

I have done month+ fasts and know others who have, as well. If you would

like more information about fasting, I am happy to correspond with you.

Also, a dear friend of mine, Dr. Tim Trader, supervises fasts and is

well-known and well-regarded in fasting circles. Tim is a long-term hygienic

raw fooder, naturopath, has a Ph.D. in nutrition, is a fabulous athlete with

extensive formal education in exercise physiology. He is kind, gentle, and

has supervised many, many fasters, He does this privately, not in any kind

of " center, " so I will send his contact information privately. If anyone

else is interested in connecting here, please write to me privately.

Best,

Elchanan

Tara [peechysweett71]

Monday, February 21, 2005 1:53 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

I havent been diagnost with Lupus, but I just recently went to my doctor

complaining of what I thought were food reactions. He did a full work up on

me and found out that my ANA (anti-nuclear antibodies) test was positive

and very high, which is a sign of lupus. He is retesting me in a couple

months before we come close to trying to diagnos it, but I have had symtoms

since I was 16. So I immediately got online and researched it and that is

what led me here to raw foods. I havent gone completely " cold turkey " from

cooked foods. but I have gradually gone from vegetarian, to vegan and now

am incorporating more raw foods. I have a goal in mind. March 1st I start

a fast with vinegar and water then I start my raw only for 40 days. That

will get me close to the time my doctor will be testing my ANA's again.

Steven <rawfasting wrote:

Well then stop eating cooked food. Lupus will never goes completely away but

you can keep all the symptoms at bay 100% of the time. However, you will

have to stay on a living food diet. How long did you wait until you ate

cooked food after the fast?

Steven Gibb

lane [lane] On Behalf Of Helene Lynn

Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:43 AM

Debbie S.; rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Lupus help?

<Well I have lupus and I fasted with Dr. Furhman for three weeks. It

helped a lot. I find if I eat any cooked food all my symptons return

though. Lane

hi - i have a friend i just found out has the severest<BR>

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info/links regarding raw food diet and lupus? & nbsp; and<BR>

what book to give her to start her out - one of joel<BR>

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