An Interview with Nazariah

[Guest guest]

Hi everybody:

 

It's been a while since my last post here. Before I go on, I must

point out that I'm not a vegan. Right now, one could call me 60%

vegetarian, since I've not consumed any flesh foods 19 days out

of 31, during the past month. My principal source of protein has

been homemade yoghurt, and not all my vegetables have been raw.

 

There was a time several years ago when I considered becoming a

raw vegan. Natural Hygiene attracted me a lot. But I never took

the step. I found articles that scared me away. Many of them were

probably exaggerated, but the hardest ones to ignore have always

been personal experiences. Here's one article I would like you

all to read and give me your opinion about:

 

An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

 

Here is how it begins:

 

- What is your background with the raw food diet?

- I'm 46 now and I've been a vegetarian since I was 17. At

that age, I not only became a vegetarian but also a raw foodist. I

included raw dairy into my diet because I had met an elderly

Essene teacher who recommended that. Historically, that used to

be the Essene diet. The Essenes, for the most part, were not

vegans. They were getarians, and many of them were raw foodists,

but they ate fermented dairy products — yogurt and kefir. So

that was my diet was for 7 years. During that time, I did great,

no problems at all. Then, when I had moved to another location,

I became very attracted to the vegan philosophy, because it is a

beautiful philosophy. I then became a raw foodist.

 

 

Please read the article carefully and write what you think.

Nazariah seems to be a very peaceful and honest man.

 

Kindly

Fredrik

[Guest guest]

Fredrik,

 

I read the article and found it very interesting. I am definitely going to look

into the research mentioned. It seemed like a balanced weighing of facts, but

without looking at the research, that is as much of an opinion as I can give.

 

I am very new to raw food and so don't know anyone who has been 100% raw for any

length of time. I would be very interested to know if there is anyone in the

group who is a long-time 100% raw food vegan and what their health is like.

 

Tess

 

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

 

Hi everybody:

 

It's been a while since my last post here. Before I go on, I must

point out that I'm not a vegan. Right now, one could call me 60%

vegetarian, since I've not consumed any flesh foods 19 days out

of 31, during the past month. My principal source of protein has

been homemade yoghurt, and not all my vegetables have been raw.

 

There was a time several years ago when I considered becoming a

raw vegan. Natural Hygiene attracted me a lot. But I never took

the step. I found articles that scared me away. Many of them were

probably exaggerated, but the hardest ones to ignore have always

been personal experiences. Here's one article I would like you

all to read and give me your opinion about:

 

An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

 

Here is how it begins:

 

- What is your background with the raw food diet?

- I'm 46 now and I've been a vegetarian since I was 17. At

that age, I not only became a vegetarian but also a raw foodist. I

included raw dairy into my diet because I had met an elderly

Essene teacher who recommended that. Historically, that used to

be the Essene diet. The Essenes, for the most part, were not

vegans. They were getarians, and many of them were raw foodists,

but they ate fermented dairy products — yogurt and kefir. So

that was my diet was for 7 years. During that time, I did great,

no problems at all. Then, when I had moved to another location,

I became very attracted to the vegan philosophy, because it is a

beautiful philosophy. I then became a raw foodist.

 

 

Please read the article carefully and write what you think.

Nazariah seems to be a very peaceful and honest man.

 

Kindly

Fredrik

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

" This group is here to support people wanting to learn

how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because

something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the

best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw

Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote

other diets. "

 

--- Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

 

> Here's one article I

> would like you

> all to read and give me your opinion about:

>

> An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

> http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

>

 

 

=====

[...there'll be love and laughter,

and peace ever after,

just you wait and see...

---Vera Lynn]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here is a link to one response that I could feel at home with, myself:

 

http://www.thegardendiet.com/naz.html

 

Jinjee does a good job presenting, in a respectful way, opposing points of view

to some of the issues.

 

Someone else in this group had access to a response from Rhio, that addressed

both Nazariah's and Jinjee's points, but I don't have the address for that. I

remain pretty firmly in the raw vegan world, at least for now.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

 

Hi everybody:

 

It's been a while since my last post here. Before I go on, I must

point out that I'm not a vegan. Right now, one could call me 60%

vegetarian, since I've not consumed any flesh foods 19 days out

of 31, during the past month. My principal source of protein has

been homemade yoghurt, and not all my vegetables have been raw.

 

There was a time several years ago when I considered becoming a

raw vegan. Natural Hygiene attracted me a lot. But I never took

the step. I found articles that scared me away. Many of them were

probably exaggerated, but the hardest ones to ignore have always

been personal experiences. Here's one article I would like you

all to read and give me your opinion about:

 

An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

 

Here is how it begins:

 

- What is your background with the raw food diet?

- I'm 46 now and I've been a vegetarian since I was 17. At

that age, I not only became a vegetarian but also a raw foodist. I

included raw dairy into my diet because I had met an elderly

Essene teacher who recommended that. Historically, that used to

be the Essene diet. The Essenes, for the most part, were not

vegans. They were getarians, and many of them were raw foodists,

but they ate fermented dairy products — yogurt and kefir. So

that was my diet was for 7 years. During that time, I did great,

no problems at all. Then, when I had moved to another location,

I became very attracted to the vegan philosophy, because it is a

beautiful philosophy. I then became a raw foodist.

 

 

Please read the article carefully and write what you think.

Nazariah seems to be a very peaceful and honest man.

 

Kindly

Fredrik

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>I read this interview. Thank you to whoever shared it with us. After

reading it I decided to try and add an egg to my diet and note how I felt.

Awful is the answer. It took a week to get back on track. I couldn't

believe how sluggish and just plain yuchy I felt. I'm glad I tried that

experiment. For me for now, raw food is it. I like the way I feel, so much

lighter on the earth. Able to walk for long distance with no feeling of

exertion. Happy. Thank you, Lane

 

 

 

>Here is a link to one response that I could feel at home with, myself:

>

>http://www.thegardendiet.com/naz.html

>

>Jinjee does a good job presenting, in a respectful way, opposing points of

>view to some of the issues.

>

>Someone else in this group had access to a response from Rhio, that

address>ed both Nazariah's and Jinjee's points, but I don't have the

address for th>at. I remain pretty firmly in the raw vegan world, at least

for now.

>

>Peace,

>Valerie

>

>Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

>

>Hi everybody:

>

>It's been a while since my last post here. Before I go on, I must

>point out that I'm not a vegan. Right now, one could call me 60%

>vegetarian, since I've not consumed any flesh foods 19 days out

>of 31, during the past month. My principal source of protein has

>been homemade yoghurt, and not all my vegetables have been raw.

>

>There was a time several years ago when I considered becoming a

>raw vegan. Natural Hygiene attracted me a lot. But I never took

>the step. I found articles that scared me away. Many of them were

>probably exaggerated, but the hardest ones to ignore have always

>been personal experiences. Here's one article I would like you

>all to read and give me your opinion about:

>

>An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

>http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

>

>Here is how it begins:

>

>- What is your background with the raw food diet?

>- I'm 46 now and I've been a vegetarian since I was 17. At

>that age, I not only became a vegetarian but also a raw foodist. I

>included raw dairy into my diet because I had met an elderly

>Essene teacher who recommended that. Historically, that used to

>be the Essene diet. The Essenes, for the most part, were not

>vegans. They were getarians, and many of them were raw foodists,

>but they ate fermented dairy products — yogurt and kefir. So

>that was my diet was for 7 years. During that time, I did great,

>no problems at all. Then, when I had moved to another location,

>I became very attracted to the vegan philosophy, because it is a

>beautiful philosophy. I then became a raw foodist.

>

>

>Please read the article carefully and write what you think.

>Nazariah seems to be a very peaceful and honest man.

>

>Kindly

>Fredrik

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

 

> Here is a link to one response that I could feel at home with,

> myself:

> http://www.thegardendiet.com/naz.html

> Jinjee does a good job presenting, in a respectful way, opposing

> points of view to some of the issues.

 

Valeria, thank you very much for this link! I have now finished

reading Jinjee's comments on the interview with Nazariah. I've

also visited other parts of the Garden Diet website, and seen

her family photos.

 

She has indeed a respectful way. Perhaps I am gullible, but after

this new information, I now believe that supplement free veganism

can work long-term for at least some people if one has sufficient

knowledge of the plant kingdom or is guided by someone who has.

Otherwise, ones journey obviously can end in a catastrophy

similiar to Nazariah's and others' I have read about. According

to Jinjee, her husband Storm has consumed neither animal foods

nor supplements in more than 30 years. Judging from photos of

Storm and his described physical abilities and activities, and

his healthy looking kids; in my opinion he's an example of a

successful long-term supplement free vegan. When I posted in

this forum yesterday, I never thought I would say this so soon.

I hope I'm not overhasty.

 

But what about supplemental free RAW veganism? According to the

Garden Diet website, Storm has eaten " mostly all-live food " ,

and is " now on 100% all-live diet " . It is stated at the following

page: www.thegardendiet.com/storm.html. I couldn't find what is

meant by " mostly " and how long time Storm has been completely

raw. Can anyone help me find it? Jinjee herself, says she has

been a raw vegan for 11 years. Since Storm was the one who,

according to Jinjee influenced her into veganism, I guess Storm

has been raw at least 11 years as well; but I'm not sure. Perhaps

it was Jinjee who suggested that they should only eat raw foods.

Perhaps I missed something. Anyway, Jinjee seems to be in

excellent condition, both according to her description of how

she feels and her pictures.

 

Jinjee says: " I think that including some natural organic kefir,

yogurt and eggs may be beneficial for some people. "

 

I don't like eggs very much and I don't drink milk. I seem to be

severely intolerant to milk. But I eat homemade yoghurt with no

apparent problems. I have learnt that lactose in yoghurt is

broken down into glucose and galactose. Even the notorious and

feared casein, that constitues about 80% of the protein in

unfermented milk and is used in making e.g. plastics and

adhesives, is apparently decomposed in yoghurt. (There seems to

be three types of casein in milk: alpha, beta and kappa; and

according to a number of articles in the Journal of Dairy

Science (www.adsa.org/jds/), one of the species in my yoghurt,

namely Lactobacillus Bulgaricus seems to be able to completely

break down beta-casein and kappa-casein into free amino acids;

and alpha-casein into peptides; apparently meaning that by

drinking properly prepared yoghurt I don't consume casein.)

 

Mind you, I am not promoting yoghurt! I'm just pointing out that

it seems to agree with me; but perhaps something goes on in the

dark inside of me that I don't know about.

 

Jinjee further says: " However Storm is completely opposed to

eating any kind of dairy or meat. "

 

I'm not suprised that Storm is completely against dairy. I don't

know if it's true but I've read that dairy intolerance is much

more prevalant amongst black people. For now I choose to believe

in my intuition and agree with Jinjee and classify myself as one

of those people for whom yohurt is beneficial.

 

Jinjee says:

 

" I believe that one can be very healthy on the diet Naz[ariah] is

outlining. He however is stating that the raw food diet is

dangerous, which I disagree with. Every body is different. Every

mind is different. Every spirit is different. There are many

factors that contribute to health; diet, sleep, water, exercise,

environment, mental state, spiritual life, family life, social

life, work life, genetics, attitude, beliefs, and probably other

unknown factors. How can one say that one diet is right for

everyone? Or that one diet is right for you for your whole life?

I ask only that you think for yourself. And that you don't devalue

your own experiences. Believe in your experiences. Trust your

intuition, your instincts, your inner guidance, and the true

desires of your heart. "

 

I agree totally.

 

Both Jinjee and Storm have reportedly avoided supplements, and

that is in line with my own dietary practice. I would never

try veganism if I had to take supplements. I'm also skeptical

about soy.

 

Thank you again, Valerie for your link.

 

Fredrik

[Guest guest]

That sums it up for me, especially the " every mind is different " and

the health, mental state, attitude and beliefs parts. You have

to " think for yourself " and " trust your intuition, " " inner guidance, "

and " the true desires of your heart. "

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote:

> Jinjee says:

>

> " I believe that one can be very healthy on the diet Naz[ariah] is

> outlining. He however is stating that the raw food diet is

> dangerous, which I disagree with. Every body is different. Every

> mind is different. Every spirit is different. There are many

> factors that contribute to health; diet, sleep, water, exercise,

> environment, mental state, spiritual life, family life, social

> life, work life, genetics, attitude, beliefs, and probably other

> unknown factors. How can one say that one diet is right for

> everyone? Or that one diet is right for you for your whole life?

> I ask only that you think for yourself. And that you don't devalue

> your own experiences. Believe in your experiences. Trust your

> intuition, your instincts, your inner guidance, and the true

> desires of your heart. "

>

> I agree totally.

[Guest guest]

Tev,

 

I have read the description of the group at least two times. I did

it when I joined the group in spring 2004, and I reread it a couple

of days ago before I posted my question, just to remind me of the

rules of this particular group. I didn't return here to convert

people, or to promote other diets. I came here to get a second

opinion about the interview, because in other forums, dominated by

non-vegans, people usually don't provide any counterarguments to

this sort of things. I'm glad I posted here, because one of the

members did not misunderstand me and gave me a link to the Garden

Diet and it gave me a much more positive view of veganism.

 

Fredrik

 

 

Tev Treowlufu wrote:

 

> " This group is here to support people wanting to learn

> how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because

> something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the

> best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw

> Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote

> other diets. "

>

> --- Fredrik Murman <fpm@t...> wrote:

>

> > Here's one article I

> > would like you

> > all to read and give me your opinion about:

> >

> > An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

> > http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

[Guest guest]

You are welcome, Fredrik. One other source you might want to look at is Dr. Doug

Graham's site; you can find it at http://www.doctorgraham.cc. His Raw Foods FAQ

page is http://www.foodnsport.com/FAQ.html. He has been completely raw, vegan,

supplement free for more than 20 years, and I find his approach to be the most

simple and complete that I have come across up to this time. The FAQ page will

probably give you the best summary of his approach, so you might want to take

some time to read that over first.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

 

Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

 

> Here is a link to one response that I could feel at home with,

> myself:

> http://www.thegardendiet.com/naz.html

> Jinjee does a good job presenting, in a respectful way, opposing

> points of view to some of the issues.

 

Valeria, thank you very much for this link!

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

It amazes me how pervasive Nazariah's arguments have become since the interview

was posted last summer, it's all I hear about at raw potlucks, and other raw

events. It's definitely putting a huge dent in the raw foods movement... maybe

it wasn't such a good idea to link raw foodism and spirituality with a specific

organized religion? Since food is such a socially-mediated human need, I guess

we shouldn't be so surprised that now we find veganism (and esp. raw veganism)

under attack, as trends shift to the conservative side. But still, I never would

have guessed that I'd see, for example, Karyn (founder of the oldest still

operating raw vegan restaurant in America) recently open a cooked vegetarian

place in Chicago. I still haven't found out if it was a business decision or a

reversal of her raw food principles, no one seems to be able to give a straight

answer, but they have fried, and ovo-lacto dishes.

 

To reiterate my argument from last week when I posted Nazariah's interview (ah,

the redundant nature of mailing lists), one of his main arguments (if not THE

main argument) is that there might be a hidden/unknown benefit to eating dairy

and/or meat. He seems to think that the discovery of the difference in ALA/EPA

fatty acid utilization could be one of any number of fundamental shifts in

nutrition. That could be, but it seems plausible to me that for someone raised

on a meat and dairy diet, their ability to convert ALA (found in plants, esp.

seeds and nuts) to the more usable EPA fatty acid (found primarily in meat and

dairy) would naturally diminish, but perhaps could be restored. Even then, such

a person could be consuming EPA rich purslane instead of relying on ALA foods.

So my argument is, yes we will probably earn how to better fine tune a vegan

diet, esp. for different types of individuals, but there has not been a

macronutrient discovery in the last decade which would

challenge the proven fact that you can be healthy on a sensible vegan diet.

 

It may be easier to start eating dairy and cooked food instead of finding a

source of purslane, and experimenting within a vegan diet, but what a cop out

that seems to me, both from an ethical standpoint and as a long-term health

strategy (look at Campbell's study that animal foods exacerbate the effects of

chemicals such as aflatoxin, or that meat has 14 times the pesticide load of

commercial produce, dairy has 5 times). When we spend our money on raw food,

esp. " new " products like purslane, we create new markets, create economy of

scale, etc. Don't forget that raw foodism has been through multiple incarnations

through the centuries (esp. the anti-pasteurization movement of the 19th

century, when raw foodism was probably at its height). If we, and the present

day leaders of the raw food movement can't keep things on track and moving

forward (as in the present), others eventually will. Non-invasive blood sampling

and biofeedback will be in your home this century (to prove to

individuals in real time what food slows you down), NASA wants deep space

astronauts to eat raw food (because sending a pound of material to space costs

over $10k, destroying nutrients in cooking makes no sense). Raw vegan food is

here to stay, let there be no doubt. JP

 

 

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

 

Tev,

 

I have read the description of the group at least two times. I did

it when I joined the group in spring 2004, and I reread it a couple

of days ago before I posted my question, just to remind me of the

rules of this particular group. I didn't return here to convert

people, or to promote other diets. I came here to get a second

opinion about the interview, because in other forums, dominated by

non-vegans, people usually don't provide any counterarguments to

this sort of things. I'm glad I posted here, because one of the

members did not misunderstand me and gave me a link to the Garden

Diet and it gave me a much more positive view of veganism.

 

Fredrik

 

 

Tev Treowlufu wrote:

 

> " This group is here to support people wanting to learn

> how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because

> something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the

> best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw

> Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote

> other diets. "

>

> --- Fredrik Murman <fpm@t...> wrote:

>

> > Here's one article I

> > would like you

> > all to read and give me your opinion about:

> >

> > An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

> > http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Fredrik:

 

I am skeptical of your motives. I have seen this

Nazariah article passed about before--on this and

other lists.

 

If you want to be convinced of raw veganism, then just

do it. If you want to be a rawfoodist who eats raw

animal foods, there are other groups to participate

in.

 

This fear mongering represented by your sort of post

is simply repetitious. I don't think I misunderstood

you. I think you are too afraid to live as a raw

vegan. That's fine. May I suggest you join a rawfood

beginners or a similar group?

 

http://health.RawFoodsBeginners/

 

http://health.rawbeginners/

 

http://health.rawvegetarian/

 

http://health.paleolithicdiet/

 

http://health.Raw-food/

 

http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/

 

 

I will continue to post that particular paragraph of

the group description to people like you.

 

tev

 

 

--- Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

 

>I came here to

> get a second

> opinion about the interview, because in other

> forums, dominated by

> non-vegans, people usually don't provide any

> counterarguments to

> this sort of things. I'm glad I posted here, because

> one of the

> members did not misunderstand me and gave me a link

> to the Garden

> Diet and it gave me a much more positive view of

> veganism.

>

> Fredrik

 

 

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and peace ever after,

just you wait and see...

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[Guest guest]

How do you keep coming up with all the sites, Tev? Another one I

didn't know about or belong to before, " rawvegetarian " .

 

rawfood , tev treowlufu <coac2002> wrote:

> May I suggest you join a rawfood

> beginners or a similar group?

>

> http://health.RawFoodsBeginners/

>

> http://health.rawbeginners/

>

> http://health.rawvegetarian/

>

> http://health.paleolithicdiet/

>

> http://health.Raw-food/

>

> http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/

[Guest guest]

Jos Bagdonas wrote:

 

> To reiterate my argument from last week when I posted Nazariah's

interview (ah, the redundant nature of mailing lists), [...]

 

I didn't know that, Jos. In non- forums with thousands of

unread posts, I have usually searched the archives before I have

made a new entry, but as I mentioned in another post here, I find

the search engine for searching in forum archives,

very ineffective. Someone more active in the group can always

point out if and when an issue has been treated; but this time I

should have at least read through posts from the past few weeks.

Sorry.

 

Fredrik

[Guest guest]

Valerie Mills Daly wrote:

 

> One other source you might want to look at is Dr. Doug Graham's

> site; you can find it at http://www.doctorgraham.cc. His Raw

> Foods FAQ page is http://www.foodnsport.com/FAQ.html. [...]

 

Thank you. I'll do that.

 

Fredrik

[Guest guest]

Tev Treowlufu wrote:

 

> Fredrik:

> I am skeptical of your motives. I have seen this

> Nazariah article passed about before--on this and

> other lists.

 

Tev, I don't know what people you have encountered or been dealing

with, but I am not one of them. Someone linked to the article in

another forum. I read the interview and it seriously aggravated my

view of veganism; but then I woke up and asked myself, what do

vegans have to say about this, and I remembered that I was a

member of this forum. I made an inquiry, which resulted in a

positive change in my position.

 

> If you want to be convinced of raw veganism, then just

> do it.

 

I don't know about you Tev, but I have always been an extremely

careful individual in many areas of life. I have seldom jumped

into things without being sure of the consequences. There seems

to be thousands of diets out there, many of them promising to

be the one and only, and demonizing other diets. One does not

have to try a diet to be convinced that it works for at least

some people. After reading about Jinjee, her husband Storm and

their family, I am convinced. That is a great step forward for

me. My new viewpoint is that some people do fine on a raw vegan

diet. I even showed the Garden Diet website for a friend of mine

and I will guide other people to that website who categorically

repudiate raw veganism. I am not convinced however that raw

vegan diet is the solution to everybody, because I know others

who seem to do equally fine on other regimens. I will soon look

into Dr Doug Graham's website as well, as Valeria suggested.

 

> If you want to be a rawfoodist who eats raw animal foods,

> there are other groups to participate in.

 

During a short period, years ago, I tried that, but was not

comfortable with it.

 

> This fear mongering represented by your sort of post

> is simply repetitious. I don't think I misunderstood

> you.

 

You seem to think I came here to cause havoc, which is not

correct. When I sent my post, I knew people would react and

give me answers. That was my sole intention - to get new

viewpoints.

 

> I think you are too afraid to live as a raw vegan. That's

> fine. May I suggest you join a rawfood beginners or a

> similar group?

 

I see no reason to shift my diet, because it seems I feel fine on

it. What I found reason to do a couple of days ago, was to question

my view of veganism as a dietary practice that is deemed to fail.

I am now convinced that it can work for some people.

 

> I will continue to post that particular paragraph of

> the group description to people like you.

 

And it seems I have to remind you of another paragraph in the

description of this forum:

 

" This is a friendly group of people. We welcome debate, but do

it without name calling and anger in the posts. Negative posts

and posters will be banned. "

 

Kindly

Fredrik

[Guest guest]

Fredrik,

 

I agree with you. I am new here and although the Nazariah article freaked me out

a little (as it did you, it seems) the ensuing discussion and discovery has

given me more firm information on which to base my raw vegan choices.

 

Peace & Light~Tess

 

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

And it seems I have to remind you of another paragraph in the

description of this forum:

 

" This is a friendly group of people. We welcome debate, but do

it without name calling and anger in the posts. Negative posts

and posters will be banned. "

 

Kindly

Fredrik

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't worry too much about posting here Fredrik, it's just

cyberspace afterall. I just go with the last thing posted and say

what I want to say. To treat an issue over and over again happens,

that's part of why we're here.

 

By the way, I liked your questions and concerns about Nazariah's

interview. I think it's perfectly appropriate for you to post what

you said about the issue on here, regardless of other's

interpretation of the home page description of this site.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote:

>

> Jos Bagdonas wrote:

>

> > To reiterate my argument from last week when I posted Nazariah's

> interview (ah, the redundant nature of mailing lists), [...]

>

> I didn't know that, Jos. In non- forums with thousands of

> unread posts, I have usually searched the archives before I have

> made a new entry, but as I mentioned in another post here, I find

> the search engine for searching in forum archives,

> very ineffective. Someone more active in the group can always

> point out if and when an issue has been treated; but this time I

> should have at least read through posts from the past few weeks.

> Sorry.

>

> Fredrik

[Guest guest]

I promise you this is the one and only, the best diet for virtually

everyone on the planet, lol. I have to make a few exceptions for

people who really can't or shouldn't eat this way because of physical

or mental reasons.

 

rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote:

> There seems to be thousands of diets out there, many of them

> promising to be the one and only, and demonizing other diets. One

> does not have to try a diet to be convinced that it works for at

> least some people. After reading about Jinjee, her husband Storm and

> their family, I am convinced. That is a great step forward for

> me. My new viewpoint is that some people do fine on a raw vegan

> diet. I even showed the Garden Diet website for a friend of mine

> and I will guide other people to that website who categorically

> repudiate raw veganism. I am not convinced however that raw

> vegan diet is the solution to everybody, because I know others

> who seem to do equally fine on other regimens.

[Guest guest]

I agree with Froggy. I was interested in what people think of this

intervies. It certainly made me think. Lane

 

I wouldn't worry too much about posting here Fredrik, it's just <BR>

cyberspace afterall.  I just go with the last thing posted and say <BR>

what I want to say.  To treat an issue over and over again happens, <BR>

that's part of why we're here.<BR>

<BR>

By the way, I liked your questions and concerns about Nazariah's <BR>

interview.  I think it's perfectly appropriate for you to post what <BR>

you said about the issue on here, regardless of other's <BR>

interpretation of the home page description of this site.<BR>

<BR>

Rich<BR>

<BR>

rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote:<BR>

> <BR>

> Jos Bagdonas wrote:<BR>

> <BR>

> > To reiterate my argument from last week when I posted Nazariah's <BR>

> interview (ah, the redundant nature of mailing lists), [...]<BR>

> <BR>

> I didn't know that, Jos. In non- forums with thousands of<BR>

> unread posts, I have usually searched the archives before I have<BR>

> made a new entry, but as I mentioned in another post here, I find<BR>

> the search engine for searching in forum archives,<BR>

> very ineffective. Someone more active in the group can always<BR>

> point out if and when an issue has been treated; but this time I<BR>

> should have at least read through posts from the past few weeks. <BR>

> Sorry.<BR>

> <BR>

> Fredrik<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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I didnt miss understand you wither Fredrik, Im glad you shared that article with

us. We need to keep informed. I thought it opened up a nice conversation.

 

Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

Tev,

 

I have read the description of the group at least two times. I did

it when I joined the group in spring 2004, and I reread it a couple

of days ago before I posted my question, just to remind me of the

rules of this particular group. I didn't return here to convert

people, or to promote other diets. I came here to get a second

opinion about the interview, because in other forums, dominated by

non-vegans, people usually don't provide any counterarguments to

this sort of things. I'm glad I posted here, because one of the

members did not misunderstand me and gave me a link to the Garden

Diet and it gave me a much more positive view of veganism.

 

Fredrik

 

 

Tev Treowlufu wrote:

 

> " This group is here to support people wanting to learn

> how to eat a Healthy Raw Food Diet. Just because

> something is raw doesn't necessarily mean it is the

> best thing for us. This group supports a Vegan Raw

> Food Diet. Please don't come here trying to promote

> other diets. "

>

> --- Fredrik Murman <fpm@t...> wrote:

>

> > Here's one article I

> > would like you

> > all to read and give me your opinion about:

> >

> > An Interview with Nazariah, March 2004

> > http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ok Fredrik. That puts me in my place.

Well said. I stand corrected.

 

tev

 

--- Fredrik Murman <fpm wrote:

 

 

> Tev, I don't know what people you have encountered

> or been dealing

> with, but I am not one of them. Someone linked to

> the article in

> another forum. I read the interview and it seriously

> aggravated my

> view of veganism; but then I woke up and asked

> myself, what do

> vegans have to say about this, and I remembered that

> I was a

> member of this forum. I made an inquiry, which

> resulted in a

> positive change in my position.

 

 

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Tev wrote:

 

> Ok Fredrik. That puts me in my place.

> Well said. I stand corrected.

 

Thank you Tev.

 

Kindly

Fredrik

[Guest guest]

I wonder what your definition of love, laughter and peace are tev?

 

rawfood , tev treowlufu <coac2002> wrote:

> Ok Fredrik. That puts me in my place.

> Well said. I stand corrected.

>

> tev

>

> --- Fredrik Murman <fpm@t...> wrote:

>

>

> > Tev, I don't know what people you have encountered

> > or been dealing

> > with, but I am not one of them. Someone linked to

> > the article in

> > another forum. I read the interview and it seriously

> > aggravated my

> > view of veganism; but then I woke up and asked

> > myself, what do

> > vegans have to say about this, and I remembered that

> > I was a

> > member of this forum. I made an inquiry, which

> > resulted in a

> > positive change in my position.

>

>

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> and peace ever after,

> just you wait and see...

> ---Vera Lynn]

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Diligent searching?

 

are constantly springing into existence

like muons. I suppose they disappear just as quickly.

BTW, the search engine for functions with

limited search proximities. Rewording your " search

phrase " might be the trick.

 

tev

 

 

--- Froggy <seconaphim wrote:

 

> How do you keep coming up with all the sites, Tev?

> Another one I

> didn't know about or belong to before,

> " rawvegetarian " .

 

 

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