Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Yes, it JUST came out, I believe, so supplies may be limited. Kimberly Dawkins [kim.dawkins] Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:42 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] The China Study by T. Colin Campbell Our local library has it available, so you might check yours. It is also for sale at various internet book sellers. Amazon.com has it listed, but says delivery is 1-3 months. Kim On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Tess West wrote: > > Ps..I would like to see the Chine Study...do you know how I can find > it? > > tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Hi Margie, The effects of most toxins are cumulative. That is, as they enter the body faster than they can be eliminated, they accumulate. At some threshold level, the body begins to exhibit symptoms, but these are simply a printout of an underlying problem that has existed for awhile. I agree with you that toxins are significant, and eating animal foods is a great way to ingest lots of toxins. (High up on the food chain) I really appreciate your pointing out this bias in Campbell's work/perception. Every researcher (every human!) has biases, blind spots, and it is constructive to find and identify them. In this case, perhaps he has become so focused on distinctions about diet that he has removed his focus from some other things. So thanks for identifying the issue here. Elchanan Margie Roswell [mroswell] Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:14 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] The China Study by T. Colin Campbell There are two items referred to here. One is the Study itself. The other is T. Colin Campbell's book, written with his son... also called The China Study. I'm in the middle of reading this. It's good. I don't agree with him regarding his assesment of the relative importance of toxins in disease promotion (he says it's minor compared to animal consumption, I think that diminishes the role of toxins as a major factor that needs to be addressed...) but apart from that concern, I wholeheartedly recommend that everyone read this book. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Kimberly Dawkins wrote: > > Our local library has it available, so you might check yours. It is > also for sale at various internet book sellers. Amazon.com has it > listed, but says delivery is 1-3 months. > > Kim > > On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Tess West wrote: > > > > > Ps..I would like to see the Chine Study...do you know how I can find > > it? > > > > tess > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Is the Colin Campbell idea just to be vegan or raw vegan? Regardless, his research is amazing. Just curious. Maureen Margie Roswell <mroswell wrote: Actually, Dr. Campbell defends his position pretty straightforwardly in his book. The research bears out the relative importance of food to some other specific toxins in relation to disease promotion. I wouldn't say that Dr. Campbell has a blind spot for this issue, exactly. In fact, I'd have to disagree with that idea: He was the first to discover dioxin, and dealt with related health issues as a result. Anyhow, read the book, is the main message; I'm going to personally ask him to change the wording of certain spots in his discussion on toxins (I need to completely finish the book before engaging on that.) Anyhow, despite my issue with his " messaging " I do think it's a must-read book. Margie On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, INFO @ Vibrant Life wrote: > > Hi Margie, > > The effects of most toxins are cumulative. That is, as they enter the body > faster than they can be eliminated, they accumulate. At some threshold > level, the body begins to exhibit symptoms, but these are simply a printout > of an underlying problem that has existed for awhile. > > I agree with you that toxins are significant, and eating animal foods is a > great way to ingest lots of toxins. (High up on the food chain) I really > appreciate your pointing out this bias in Campbell's work/perception. Every > researcher (every human!) has biases, blind spots, and it is constructive to > find and identify them. In this case, perhaps he has become so focused on > distinctions about diet that he has removed his focus from some other > things. > > So thanks for identifying the issue here. > > Elchanan > > > Margie Roswell [mroswell] > Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:14 PM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] The China Study by T. Colin Campbell > > > There are two items referred to here. > > One is the Study itself. The other is T. Colin Campbell's book, written > with his son... also called The China Study. I'm in the middle of reading > this. > > It's good. > > I don't agree with him regarding his assesment of the relative importance > of toxins in disease promotion (he says it's minor compared to animal > consumption, I think that diminishes the role of toxins as a major factor > that needs to be addressed...) but apart from that concern, I > wholeheartedly recommend that everyone read this book. > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Kimberly Dawkins wrote: > > > > > Our local library has it available, so you might check yours. It is > > also for sale at various internet book sellers. Amazon.com has it > > listed, but says delivery is 1-3 months. > > > > Kim > > > > On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Tess West wrote: > > > > > > > > Ps..I would like to see the Chine Study...do you know how I can find > > > it? > > > > > > tess > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Actually, Dr. Campbell defends his position pretty straightforwardly in his book. The research bears out the relative importance of food to some other specific toxins in relation to disease promotion. I wouldn't say that Dr. Campbell has a blind spot for this issue, exactly. In fact, I'd have to disagree with that idea: He was the first to discover dioxin, and dealt with related health issues as a result. Anyhow, read the book, is the main message; I'm going to personally ask him to change the wording of certain spots in his discussion on toxins (I need to completely finish the book before engaging on that.) Anyhow, despite my issue with his " messaging " I do think it's a must-read book. Margie On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, INFO @ Vibrant Life wrote: > > Hi Margie, > > The effects of most toxins are cumulative. That is, as they enter the body > faster than they can be eliminated, they accumulate. At some threshold > level, the body begins to exhibit symptoms, but these are simply a printout > of an underlying problem that has existed for awhile. > > I agree with you that toxins are significant, and eating animal foods is a > great way to ingest lots of toxins. (High up on the food chain) I really > appreciate your pointing out this bias in Campbell's work/perception. Every > researcher (every human!) has biases, blind spots, and it is constructive to > find and identify them. In this case, perhaps he has become so focused on > distinctions about diet that he has removed his focus from some other > things. > > So thanks for identifying the issue here. > > Elchanan > > > Margie Roswell [mroswell] > Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:14 PM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] The China Study by T. Colin Campbell > > > There are two items referred to here. > > One is the Study itself. The other is T. Colin Campbell's book, written > with his son... also called The China Study. I'm in the middle of reading > this. > > It's good. > > I don't agree with him regarding his assesment of the relative importance > of toxins in disease promotion (he says it's minor compared to animal > consumption, I think that diminishes the role of toxins as a major factor > that needs to be addressed...) but apart from that concern, I > wholeheartedly recommend that everyone read this book. > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Kimberly Dawkins wrote: > > > > > Our local library has it available, so you might check yours. It is > > also for sale at various internet book sellers. Amazon.com has it > > listed, but says delivery is 1-3 months. > > > > Kim > > > > On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Tess West wrote: > > > > > > > > Ps..I would like to see the Chine Study...do you know how I can find > > > it? > > > > > > tess > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 vegan maureen smith [maureensgardengrotto] Thursday, February 24, 2005 6:14 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] The China Study by T. Colin Campbell Is the Colin Campbell idea just to be vegan or raw vegan? Regardless, his research is amazing. Just curious. Maureen Margie Roswell <mroswell wrote: Actually, Dr. Campbell defends his position pretty straightforwardly in his book. The research bears out the relative importance of food to some other specific toxins in relation to disease promotion. I wouldn't say that Dr. Campbell has a blind spot for this issue, exactly. In fact, I'd have to disagree with that idea: He was the first to discover dioxin, and dealt with related health issues as a result. Anyhow, read the book, is the main message; I'm going to personally ask him to change the wording of certain spots in his discussion on toxins (I need to completely finish the book before engaging on that.) Anyhow, despite my issue with his " messaging " I do think it's a must-read book. Margie On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, INFO @ Vibrant Life wrote: > > Hi Margie, > > The effects of most toxins are cumulative. That is, as they enter the body > faster than they can be eliminated, they accumulate. At some threshold > level, the body begins to exhibit symptoms, but these are simply a printout > of an underlying problem that has existed for awhile. > > I agree with you that toxins are significant, and eating animal foods is a > great way to ingest lots of toxins. (High up on the food chain) I really > appreciate your pointing out this bias in Campbell's work/perception. Every > researcher (every human!) has biases, blind spots, and it is constructive to > find and identify them. In this case, perhaps he has become so focused on > distinctions about diet that he has removed his focus from some other > things. > > So thanks for identifying the issue here. > > Elchanan > > > Margie Roswell [mroswell] > Wednesday, February 23, 2005 3:14 PM > rawfood > Re: [Raw Food] The China Study by T. Colin Campbell > > > There are two items referred to here. > > One is the Study itself. The other is T. Colin Campbell's book, written > with his son... also called The China Study. I'm in the middle of reading > this. > > It's good. > > I don't agree with him regarding his assesment of the relative importance > of toxins in disease promotion (he says it's minor compared to animal > consumption, I think that diminishes the role of toxins as a major factor > that needs to be addressed...) but apart from that concern, I > wholeheartedly recommend that everyone read this book. > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Kimberly Dawkins wrote: > > > > > Our local library has it available, so you might check yours. It is > > also for sale at various internet book sellers. Amazon.com has it > > listed, but says delivery is 1-3 months. > > > > Kim > > > > On Feb 23, 2005, at 9:22 AM, Tess West wrote: > > > > > > > > Ps..I would like to see the Chine Study...do you know how I can find > > > it? > > > > > > tess > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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