Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Hi there, Assuming that you are consuming around 2000+ calories/day, your diet consists of 40+% calories from fat, possibly much higher, just based upon hat you have written here. You may wish to move that number downward over time. Basically, if you are overeating in one type of caloric nutrient (protein, carbohydrate, fat), then you are undereating in at least one other category. More info if you are interested. Elchanan Froggy [seconaphim] Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:20 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw I rely on two avocados a day, that's one thing that I just have to have. As far as the other produce, I just mix it up. And I haven't missed a day without some raw nuts either. I eat any of my produce at each meal, time of day doesn't matter, so I have vegetables and fruit at each meal, probably more vegetable than fruit at each one two. But all my meals basically look the same, mostly vegetable or vegetable fruits and some fruit. I eat a lot, I think, over the course of a day, eating every four hours about. rawfood , " Dick and Melba Preece " <dickandmelba@c...> wrote: > I guess that is the best way to do it. I am not good at making recipes. I like the simple and easy way and if that is not good, then I am in trouble. I have heard that people eat fruit for breakfast and lunch. My stomach would be screaming at me if I did that. I have the impression that the fatty raw foods help stay on my stomach longer and I don't get hungry as fast and then I wont eat so much all of the time. I am really having a rough time with staying 100% raw. > > Does anyone know anything about Chia Seed? > > Melba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Hi there, One thing you may want to consider: we cleanse and rebuild during periods of rest. Our longest typical period of physiological rest occurs when we sleep. If you eat shortly before you sleep, your digestive system works through the night, it doesn't rest. If your digestive system is working, other systems are working, too. So as you adapt over time, you may find that you feel better and rest better by not eating just before bedtime. As long as it's fruit, the digestive load is modest anyway. If it were heavier foods (nuts, seeds, avocado, heavier vegetables), then the load would be significantly greater.) Elchanan Froggy [seconaphim] Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:12 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw I've been having bananas as my last meal of the day, I get sick of eating all that produce all day long. Time of the day and number of meals don't mean anything to me. I eat right before I go to bed usually, or I keep having meals right up until then. rawfood , " Francesca Burgess " <f9burgess@h...> wrote: > > Hi Melba, > > I agree with you that simplicity is best - complicated recipes are not > neccessary at all! I eat fruit for breakfast and lunch, and often include > lettuce and/or celery. Often, I will blend the fruits into a smoothie. I > find it helpful to include bananas at breakfast and lunch - they are very > filling. > At dinner, I eat a large salad that includes one fatty food (either avocado, > coconut, olives or nuts). I find that it works better to eat nuts or other > fatty foods in the evening and to eat only one type of fatty food at a time, > because they take much longer to digest. After eating dinner, I avoid eating > anything until breakfast the next morning - this allows ample time for > digestion. If I'm really hungry, I'll munch on a piece of celery or lettuce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I don't know what my caloric count is, I have no interest in such things. I just know that if I eat produce and raw nuts all day that I'm in the will of God for me as I understand it. I eat when I'm hungry and I eat until I'm full, I'm at a good weight and very healthy and vibrant. Two avocados of fat a day seems like a good idea to me considering all the other fluff I eat as food, produce is like eating air or something. I would like to not be dependent on needing any particular food, but for the time being I probably won't miss my appointments with avocados. I doubt if I'm undereating in anything, I eat plenty. But more info is always good, post away Elchanan, if you'd like. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Hi there, > > Assuming that you are consuming around 2000+ calories/day, your diet > consists of 40+% calories from fat, possibly much higher, just based upon > hat you have written here. You may wish to move that number downward over > time. Basically, if you are overeating in one type of caloric nutrient > (protein, carbohydrate, fat), then you are undereating in at least one other > category. > > More info if you are interested. > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Cleansing and rebuilding is most crucial for people on the SAD diet. They're infecting and polluting their bodies badly and the body really needs time to heal itself, clear itself of the damaging elements. Part of the reason why people sleep in so much. I doubt if my digestive system is doing much work with some produce in it. But even so, I do plan to eat less at some point and probably not before a couple of hours before I sleep because you are right in principal. I don't see much difference between fruit and vegetables, except avocados and nuts. What does this line mean? " If your digestive system is working, other systems are working, too. " What are the other systems that are working that you are referring to? rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Hi there, > > One thing you may want to consider: we cleanse and rebuild during periods of > rest. Our longest typical period of physiological rest occurs when we sleep. > If you eat shortly before you sleep, your digestive system works through the > night, it doesn't rest. If your digestive system is working, other systems > are working, too. > > So as you adapt over time, you may find that you feel better and rest better > by not eating just before bedtime. As long as it's fruit, the digestive load > is modest anyway. If it were heavier foods (nuts, seeds, avocado, heavier > vegetables), then the load would be significantly greater.) > > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hi Froggy, Thanks for your thoughtful replies, and for your great question below. What does this line mean? " If your digestive system is working, other systems are working, too. " What are the other systems that are working that you are referring to? Of course, this varies somewhat depending upon what you eat, food already in the digestive tube, food combining. Following are some general thoughts: - Nervous system - just directing and monitoring - Endocrine system - the HPA axis, particularly the pancreas, is probably activated, at a minimum. Possible adrenal involvement, depending upon what you ate and your metabolic vitality. - Various organs - liver, spleen, gall bladder, etc. The gall bladder and liver carry much of the load in initial fat digestion. - Lymphatic system - As a generalization, fats are processed through the lymphatic system before becoming metabolically useful. This is a primary reason why it takes so much longer to " digest " fats, they are processed through two systems. Interestingly, almost no one places any focus on the lymphatic system. Yet we have 4 times as much lymphatic fluid as blood!!! Lymph is what gives meat its " juiciness, " in large part. -Lungs/respiratory system - both bringing in the large quantity of oxygen required for digestion, absorption, and assimilation, and also to remove the light acid metabolic waste (e.g., carbonic acid as carbon dioxide). - Eliminative (urinary) - metabolic waste removal - Colon (lower digestive) - digestive waste removal There are more, of course, but these are a reasonable beginning. Best, Elchanan Froggy [seconaphim] Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:50 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw Cleansing and rebuilding is most crucial for people on the SAD diet. They're infecting and polluting their bodies badly and the body really needs time to heal itself, clear itself of the damaging elements. Part of the reason why people sleep in so much. I doubt if my digestive system is doing much work with some produce in it. But even so, I do plan to eat less at some point and probably not before a couple of hours before I sleep because you are right in principal. I don't see much difference between fruit and vegetables, except avocados and nuts. What does this line mean? " If your digestive system is working, other systems are working, too. " What are the other systems that are working that you are referring to? rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Hi there, > > One thing you may want to consider: we cleanse and rebuild during periods of > rest. Our longest typical period of physiological rest occurs when we sleep. > If you eat shortly before you sleep, your digestive system works through the > night, it doesn't rest. If your digestive system is working, other systems > are working, too. > > So as you adapt over time, you may find that you feel better and rest better > by not eating just before bedtime. As long as it's fruit, the digestive load > is modest anyway. If it were heavier foods (nuts, seeds, avocado, heavier > vegetables), then the load would be significantly greater.) > > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Oh, one more thing. When I mentioned cleansing and rebuilding, I meant in the ordinary metabolic sense for a healthy man or woman, such as you. Of course I agree completely, the work to be done in the general population is orders of magnitude larger in scope. Froggy [seconaphim] Thursday, February 24, 2005 7:50 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw Cleansing and rebuilding is most crucial for people on the SAD diet. They're infecting and polluting their bodies badly and the body really needs time to heal itself, clear itself of the damaging elements. Part of the reason why people sleep in so much. I doubt if my digestive system is doing much work with some produce in it. But even so, I do plan to eat less at some point and probably not before a couple of hours before I sleep because you are right in principal. I don't see much difference between fruit and vegetables, except avocados and nuts. What does this line mean? " If your digestive system is working, other systems are working, too. " What are the other systems that are working that you are referring to? rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Hi there, > > One thing you may want to consider: we cleanse and rebuild during periods of > rest. Our longest typical period of physiological rest occurs when we sleep. > If you eat shortly before you sleep, your digestive system works through the > night, it doesn't rest. If your digestive system is working, other systems > are working, too. > > So as you adapt over time, you may find that you feel better and rest better > by not eating just before bedtime. As long as it's fruit, the digestive load > is modest anyway. If it were heavier foods (nuts, seeds, avocado, heavier > vegetables), then the load would be significantly greater.) > > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I'm here to serve. As to the rest, very interesting. We certainly do have very active bodies. To know all these kinds of things you post about you must be involved with the sciences in some way, work in that area? Rich rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Hi Froggy, > > Thanks for your thoughtful replies, and for your great question below. > > What does this line mean? " If your digestive system is working, other > systems are working, too. " What are the other systems that are > working that you are referring to? > > Of course, this varies somewhat depending upon what you eat, food already in > the digestive tube, food combining. Following are some general thoughts: > > - Nervous system - just directing and monitoring > - Endocrine system - the HPA axis, particularly the pancreas, is probably > activated, at a minimum. Possible adrenal involvement, depending upon what > you ate and your metabolic vitality. > - Various organs - liver, spleen, gall bladder, etc. The gall bladder and > liver carry much of the load in initial fat digestion. > - Lymphatic system - As a generalization, fats are processed through the > lymphatic system before becoming metabolically useful. This is a primary > reason why it takes so much longer to " digest " fats, they are processed > through two systems. Interestingly, almost no one places any focus on the > lymphatic system. Yet we have 4 times as much lymphatic fluid as blood!!! > Lymph is what gives meat its " juiciness, " in large part. > -Lungs/respiratory system - both bringing in the large quantity of oxygen > required for digestion, absorption, and assimilation, and also to remove the > light acid metabolic waste (e.g., carbonic acid as carbon dioxide). > - Eliminative (urinary) - metabolic waste removal > - Colon (lower digestive) - digestive waste removal > > There are more, of course, but these are a reasonable beginning. > > Best, > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 I don't know how healthy I am, considering my cells are dying all the time and I'm growing old and will die someday. Life is a real death affair all throughout it, that's why you can't blame people for their attraction to death, especially dead food. Eating is the most intimate relation they have outside of themselves, so, of course, it is a learning tool for love and therefore people pour a lot of their love into their eating. They also pour it into pets because they don't know how to love humans. The body is killing itself off and replenishing itself in a cyclic process until death finally wins out over the organism. But I'm relatively healthy, yes. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Oh, one more thing. When I mentioned cleansing and rebuilding, I meant in > the ordinary metabolic sense for a healthy man or woman, such as you. Of > course I agree completely, the work to be done in the general population is > orders of magnitude larger in scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 E Froggy [seconaphim] Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:51 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw I don't know how healthy I am, considering my cells are dying all the time and I'm growing old and will die someday. Life is a real death affair all throughout it, that's why you can't blame people for their attraction to death, especially dead food. Eating is the most intimate relation they have outside of themselves, so, of course, it is a learning tool for love and therefore people pour a lot of their love into their eating. They also pour it into pets because they don't know how to love humans. The body is killing itself off and replenishing itself in a cyclic process until death finally wins out over the organism. But I'm relatively healthy, yes. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Oh, one more thing. When I mentioned cleansing and rebuilding, I meant in > the ordinary metabolic sense for a healthy man or woman, such as you. Of > course I agree completely, the work to be done in the general population is > orders of magnitude larger in scope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Actually, most of the nonorganic lettuce supply is severely tainted with jet-fuel byproducts. Froggy [seconaphim] Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:29 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw Glad you love raw. I hope you enjoy the conversation on here. The fast food restaurants are littering every town as far as I know. Enjoy the lettuce. Rich rawfood , " bevrly_woods " <bevrly_woods> wrote: > > > --- I just started eating raw. I love it. Last nite, I made my > first raw soup. Eventually, I am going 100% raw. This is so nice, > speaking with others that are into this way of life. I come from a > small town, where streets are littered with fast food resteraunts, > and the produce is not the best, least of all organic. I've decided > to grow lettuce in doors (at least I am going to try). I have not > tried as of yet to make my own sprouts - but I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 I'm not concerned about organic or nonorganic. I'm into the spirit of the thing for me, the point is to eat raw food. Man can't do anything to my body, no food product of any kind (cooked meat, etc.) can do any damage to my body unless I allow it through my own mental philosophies (a little New Age reasoning for you there). I just want to eat raw food, that's what makes the most sense to me from every angle I can conceive. The mental rules the physical as far as everything else is concerned. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Actually, most of the nonorganic lettuce supply is severely tainted with > jet-fuel byproducts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Hi Froggy, I wonder whether you'd be willing to consider a larger picture. Here are two lines of thinking for you to consider, if you wish. POISON IS NOT RAW FOOD Virtually all commercially grown (non organic) foods contain poison. By poison, I mean some combination of direct, intentional poison (pesticide, herbicide, fungicide) and chemical fertilizers/additives. All these are made in factories, none comes from any plant (at least not directly, as fruits and vegetables). So whenever we eat these foods we are consuming heavily processed/chemically manufactured poison-by-design. None of it is natural, none of it is raw, all of it is toxic. I choose natural, raw, fresh, and fully alive. ULTIMATE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION Every time I buy something, I send immediate, direct economic and energetic feedback through " the system, " communicating a message to make more of whatever I just bought. So if I buy poisoned fruit, I am sending a message requesting more. Likewise, if I buy " clean " fruit, I send a similar message. This is the ultimate democracy -- it exists as an economic phenomenon, not a political one. (Political democracy always devolves into mob rule, as in ancient Athens, or into some form of dictatorship/socialist state, as we have seen throughout the past century and are witnessing now in America.) But economic democracy is vital/thriving, to whatever extent markets are free. I choose to vote for wholesome, not for poison, and for Nature, not for chemistry. Best to all, Elchanan Froggy [seconaphim] Friday, February 25, 2005 5:11 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw I'm not concerned about organic or nonorganic. I'm into the spirit of the thing for me, the point is to eat raw food. Man can't do anything to my body, no food product of any kind (cooked meat, etc.) can do any damage to my body unless I allow it through my own mental philosophies (a little New Age reasoning for you there). I just want to eat raw food, that's what makes the most sense to me from every angle I can conceive. The mental rules the physical as far as everything else is concerned. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Actually, most of the nonorganic lettuce supply is severely tainted with > jet-fuel byproducts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 You make a good point about buying organic to support that economic system. I will try, but I like the price of cheap, nonorganic produce and since I'm not working I have a pretty limited budget. Plus, nonorganic is just so much more available than organic. I like to buy my food in the circles I'm visiting or travelling in and those stores are mostly nonorganic. But the larger picture is important, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not concerned about the poisons from a health standpoint is all. And even if it isn't raw (the poisons), they don't effect my mental/spiritual equilibrium so they don't concern me. Nonorganic, raw produce looks raw to me and that's what counts. I don't think we're devolving " into some form of dictatorship/socialist state. " I don't like Bush, I think he's a greedy idiot, and I'm a democrat votingwise, but I'm also pro-life and I have other differences of opinions with the Democratic Party. So taxwise I'm a Democrat, but morally I'm more of a Republican. The sciences, chemistry, etc. have their place, they've done a tremendous amount of good for mankind. I'd like to see the world go organic as far as produce is concerned, it certainly tastes better than nonorganic. So where does Elchanan come from? it sounds Middle Eastern or Persian to me. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Hi Froggy, > > I wonder whether you'd be willing to consider a larger picture. Here are two > lines of thinking for you to consider, if you wish. > > POISON IS NOT RAW FOOD > Virtually all commercially grown (non organic) foods contain poison. By > poison, I mean some combination of direct, intentional poison (pesticide, > herbicide, fungicide) and chemical fertilizers/additives. All these are made > in factories, none comes from any plant (at least not directly, as fruits > and vegetables). So whenever we eat these foods we are consuming heavily > processed/chemically manufactured poison-by-design. None of it is natural, > none of it is raw, all of it is toxic. > > I choose natural, raw, fresh, and fully alive. > > ULTIMATE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION > Every time I buy something, I send immediate, direct economic and energetic > feedback through " the system, " communicating a message to make more of > whatever I just bought. So if I buy poisoned fruit, I am sending a message > requesting more. Likewise, if I buy " clean " fruit, I send a similar message. > > > This is the ultimate democracy -- it exists as an economic phenomenon, not a > political one. (Political democracy always devolves into mob rule, as in > ancient Athens, or into some form of dictatorship/socialist state, as we > have seen throughout the past century and are witnessing now in America.) > But economic democracy is vital/thriving, to whatever extent markets are > free. > > I choose to vote for wholesome, not for poison, and for Nature, not for > chemistry. > > Best to all, > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Hi, This makes a lot of sense to me. How can your body rest if its busy digesting food? I try not to eat anything for at least 3 hours before bedtime for this reason. As I mentioned in my previous email, if I do eat anything later, its just a piece of lettuce or celery. Since I have been doing this, I sleep much better, and have more energy upon awakening. Elchanan, thank you for your informative and insightful posts. Personally, I think the natural hygiene approach to the raw/living foods diet is optimal - it's been working for me! You mentioned Tim Trader in a previous email. From the interviews and articles that I have read by him, I think his approach is excellent! Francesca > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo >rawfood ><rawfood > >RE: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw >Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:56:00 -0800 > >Hi there, > >One thing you may want to consider: we cleanse and rebuild during periods >of >rest. Our longest typical period of physiological rest occurs when we >sleep. >If you eat shortly before you sleep, your digestive system works through >the >night, it doesn't rest. If your digestive system is working, other systems >are working, too. > >So as you adapt over time, you may find that you feel better and rest >better >by not eating just before bedtime. As long as it's fruit, the digestive >load >is modest anyway. If it were heavier foods (nuts, seeds, avocado, heavier >vegetables), then the load would be significantly greater.) > >Elchanan > >Froggy [seconaphim] >Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:12 PM >rawfood >Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw > > > >I've been having bananas as my last meal of the day, I get sick of >eating all that produce all day long. Time of the day and number of >meals don't mean anything to me. I eat right before I go to bed >usually, or I keep having meals right up until then. > >rawfood , " Francesca Burgess " <f9burgess@h...> >wrote: > > > > Hi Melba, > > > > I agree with you that simplicity is best - complicated recipes are >not > > neccessary at all! I eat fruit for breakfast and lunch, and often >include > > lettuce and/or celery. Often, I will blend the fruits into a >smoothie. I > > find it helpful to include bananas at breakfast and lunch - they >are very > > filling. > > At dinner, I eat a large salad that includes one fatty food (either >avocado, > > coconut, olives or nuts). I find that it works better to eat nuts >or other > > fatty foods in the evening and to eat only one type of fatty food >at a time, > > because they take much longer to digest. After eating dinner, I >avoid eating > > anything until breakfast the next morning - this allows ample time >for > > digestion. If I'm really hungry, I'll munch on a piece of celery or >lettuce. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Thank you for your kind feedback, Francesca. When I hear that you or another benefits from what I share, I feel gratified...and motivated! And like you, I avoid eating for a few hours before sleeping -- unless of course the midnight stuffed cabbage fairy shows up! (Just kidding...) Elchanan Francesca Burgess [f9burgess] Friday, February 25, 2005 1:42 PM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw Hi, This makes a lot of sense to me. How can your body rest if its busy digesting food? I try not to eat anything for at least 3 hours before bedtime for this reason. As I mentioned in my previous email, if I do eat anything later, its just a piece of lettuce or celery. Since I have been doing this, I sleep much better, and have more energy upon awakening. Elchanan, thank you for your informative and insightful posts. Personally, I think the natural hygiene approach to the raw/living foods diet is optimal - it's been working for me! You mentioned Tim Trader in a previous email. From the interviews and articles that I have read by him, I think his approach is excellent! Francesca > " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo >rawfood ><rawfood > >RE: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw >Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:56:00 -0800 > >Hi there, > >One thing you may want to consider: we cleanse and rebuild during periods >of >rest. Our longest typical period of physiological rest occurs when we >sleep. >If you eat shortly before you sleep, your digestive system works through >the >night, it doesn't rest. If your digestive system is working, other systems >are working, too. > >So as you adapt over time, you may find that you feel better and rest >better >by not eating just before bedtime. As long as it's fruit, the digestive >load >is modest anyway. If it were heavier foods (nuts, seeds, avocado, heavier >vegetables), then the load would be significantly greater.) > >Elchanan > >Froggy [seconaphim] >Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:12 PM >rawfood >Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw > > > >I've been having bananas as my last meal of the day, I get sick of >eating all that produce all day long. Time of the day and number of >meals don't mean anything to me. I eat right before I go to bed >usually, or I keep having meals right up until then. > >rawfood , " Francesca Burgess " <f9burgess@h...> >wrote: > > > > Hi Melba, > > > > I agree with you that simplicity is best - complicated recipes are >not > > neccessary at all! I eat fruit for breakfast and lunch, and often >include > > lettuce and/or celery. Often, I will blend the fruits into a >smoothie. I > > find it helpful to include bananas at breakfast and lunch - they >are very > > filling. > > At dinner, I eat a large salad that includes one fatty food (either >avocado, > > coconut, olives or nuts). I find that it works better to eat nuts >or other > > fatty foods in the evening and to eat only one type of fatty food >at a time, > > because they take much longer to digest. After eating dinner, I >avoid eating > > anything until breakfast the next morning - this allows ample time >for > > digestion. If I'm really hungry, I'll munch on a piece of celery or >lettuce. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Those pesticides etc. may affect you more than you think, both directly and indirectly. The cleaner you get, the more you'll likely notice. That you already notice the organic produce tasting better is a good start. Tastes better because it is quite literally made of different stuff. As for indirectly, for example, the pesticides have destroyed the B-12-producing bacteria. So this affects us all. Elchanan is a Hebrew/Biblical name. At birth I was given two names, one English, the other Hebrew. I switched several years ago. I'll let the dictatorship/socialist state issue rest, probably belongs elsewhere. :) Elchanan Froggy [seconaphim] Friday, February 25, 2005 10:57 AM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw You make a good point about buying organic to support that economic system. I will try, but I like the price of cheap, nonorganic produce and since I'm not working I have a pretty limited budget. Plus, nonorganic is just so much more available than organic. I like to buy my food in the circles I'm visiting or travelling in and those stores are mostly nonorganic. But the larger picture is important, thanks for pointing that out. I'm not concerned about the poisons from a health standpoint is all. And even if it isn't raw (the poisons), they don't effect my mental/spiritual equilibrium so they don't concern me. Nonorganic, raw produce looks raw to me and that's what counts. I don't think we're devolving " into some form of dictatorship/socialist state. " I don't like Bush, I think he's a greedy idiot, and I'm a democrat votingwise, but I'm also pro-life and I have other differences of opinions with the Democratic Party. So taxwise I'm a Democrat, but morally I'm more of a Republican. The sciences, chemistry, etc. have their place, they've done a tremendous amount of good for mankind. I'd like to see the world go organic as far as produce is concerned, it certainly tastes better than nonorganic. So where does Elchanan come from? it sounds Middle Eastern or Persian to me. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Hi Froggy, > > I wonder whether you'd be willing to consider a larger picture. Here are two > lines of thinking for you to consider, if you wish. > > POISON IS NOT RAW FOOD > Virtually all commercially grown (non organic) foods contain poison. By > poison, I mean some combination of direct, intentional poison (pesticide, > herbicide, fungicide) and chemical fertilizers/additives. All these are made > in factories, none comes from any plant (at least not directly, as fruits > and vegetables). So whenever we eat these foods we are consuming heavily > processed/chemically manufactured poison-by-design. None of it is natural, > none of it is raw, all of it is toxic. > > I choose natural, raw, fresh, and fully alive. > > ULTIMATE DEMOCRACY IN ACTION > Every time I buy something, I send immediate, direct economic and energetic > feedback through " the system, " communicating a message to make more of > whatever I just bought. So if I buy poisoned fruit, I am sending a message > requesting more. Likewise, if I buy " clean " fruit, I send a similar message. > > > This is the ultimate democracy -- it exists as an economic phenomenon, not a > political one. (Political democracy always devolves into mob rule, as in > ancient Athens, or into some form of dictatorship/socialist state, as we > have seen throughout the past century and are witnessing now in America.) > But economic democracy is vital/thriving, to whatever extent markets are > free. > > I choose to vote for wholesome, not for poison, and for Nature, not for > chemistry. > > Best to all, > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 Hygiene - the science that deals with the promotion and preservation of health; conditions and practices that serve to promote or preserve health. Sounds good to me, hygiene all the way. rawfood , " Francesca Burgess " <f9burgess@h...> wrote: > Elchanan, thank you for your informative and insightful posts. Personally, > I think the natural hygiene approach to the raw/living foods diet is optimal > - it's been working for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 We'll see about the pesticide. I didn't come to notice that organic produce tastes better, it's obvious and known from the first bite. I'm not concerned about B-12, I'm sure I get all the nutrients I need eating the way I do. Just don't suicide bomb anyone, Elchanan. And I'm pro-war, I forgot to say that. Rich rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Those pesticides etc. may affect you more than you think, both directly and > indirectly. The cleaner you get, the more you'll likely notice. That you > already notice the organic produce tasting better is a good start. Tastes > better because it is quite literally made of different stuff. As for > indirectly, for example, the pesticides have destroyed the B-12- producing > bacteria. So this affects us all. > > Elchanan is a Hebrew/Biblical name. At birth I was given two names, one > English, the other Hebrew. I switched several years ago. > > I'll let the dictatorship/socialist state issue rest, probably belongs > elsewhere. :) > > Elchanan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2005 Report Share Posted February 25, 2005 where do you come up with all these nice definitions/ Froggy [seconaphim] Friday, February 25, 2005 8:18 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw Hygiene - the science that deals with the promotion and preservation of health; conditions and practices that serve to promote or preserve health. Sounds good to me, hygiene all the way. rawfood , " Francesca Burgess " <f9burgess@h...> wrote: > Elchanan, thank you for your informative and insightful posts. Personally, > I think the natural hygiene approach to the raw/living foods diet is optimal > - it's been working for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 where else? www.dictionary.com and then I clean them up for posting. control c for copying, control v for pasting. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > where do you come up with all these nice definitions/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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