Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hi Fredrik, Thanks for sharing your personal experience. The effects on hydration, skin, joints, the swelling, the pressure all sound similar to what I have experienced and what others have shared from time to time. Interesting, your comment about " even genuine sea salt. " Sodium chloride, NaCl, is what it is. The various commercial salt offerings -- sea salt, Celtic salt, this or that salt, all consist predominantly of NaCl. The relationship between NaCl and water is well-known and predictable. Our bodies in general and our blood in particular are substantially water. So whatever effects salt has on water with respect to specific heat, surface tension, and the like all show up in us. Ever try a similar experiment with garlic or onion? (Including even the " mild " or " sweet " onions.) I found out that they are neither mild nor sweet! Elchanan Fredrik Murman [fpm] Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:01 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Salt Elchanan wrote: > But rather than listen to all that, one could simply stop eating > all forms of salt for 60-90 days (don't worry, you'll be fine!), > then eat some. I PROMISE you and everyone, if you try this, > you'll never have to read a discussion about salt again. Your > mouth and the rest of your body will have spoken decisively! I did it in autumn 2002, and ever since I have been very sensitive to salt - even genuine seasalt. Salt seems to give me pressure in the head and chest, difficulty breathing, swollen face or bloated feeling. Even a pinch has made me uncomfortable. Salt also seems to make my joints stiff and give bad skin. I had many of these problems all my life before autumn 2002. I have tried reintroducing salt to my diet several times, because everyone else in my surrounding appears to be doing fine with it; but each time I have failed and regretted myself. And, one more thing: salt also seems to make me aggressive. So, in my case, what you're saying Elchana, seems to be true. Fredrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Spoken like a true hygienist, bravo! Elchanan Froggy [seconaphim] Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:14 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Salt I don't eat condiments, salt, pepper, paprika, garlic, tarragon, etc. I can't make a meal out of it, so why bother with it. The other animals of the world only eat a few things, why does man think he has to eat everything edible? It's simpler and easier to just eat what's offered at the produce store or the first aisle of the supermarket. I'm into using my time for more interesting things than eating. I don't eat things like garlic, onion, hot peppers, etc., things that are produce but not really amenable to my taste buds. Condiment - a substance, such as a relish, vinegar, or spice, used to flavor or complement food. What for? it's only food. No food tastes all that great, I realize that conditioned cooked eaters would heartily disagree with this. People on here and in the world in general are really addicted to this need, delight, joy in the taste of food. Each item I eat tastes fine, no supplement adds anything to it. And salt is too sharp to my discriminating taste buds and sugar too sweet, the other condiments are either too hot (paprika, etc.) or too blah (tarragon, etc.). If I can't eat it as a whole food item, I don't think it was meant to be food for me. rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote: > > Elchanan wrote: > > > But rather than listen to all that, one could simply stop eating > > all forms of salt for 60-90 days (don't worry, you'll be fine!), > > then eat some. I PROMISE you and everyone, if you try this, > > you'll never have to read a discussion about salt again. Your > > mouth and the rest of your body will have spoken decisively! > > I did it in autumn 2002, and ever since I have been very sensitive > to salt - even genuine seasalt. Salt seems to give me pressure in > the head and chest, difficulty breathing, swollen face or bloated > feeling. Even a pinch has made me uncomfortable. Salt also seems > to make my joints stiff and give bad skin. I had many of these > problems all my life before autumn 2002. I have tried reintroducing > salt to my diet several times, because everyone else in my > surrounding appears to be doing fine with it; but each time I have > failed and regretted myself. And, one more thing: salt also seems > to make me aggressive. > > So, in my case, what you're saying Elchana, seems to be true. > > Fredrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Elchanan wrote: > Ever try a similar experiment with garlic or onion? (Including > even the " mild " or " sweet " onions.) I found out that they are > neither mild nor sweet! Since I classified garlic as a whole food, and had both heard and read so much good about it, and since I had found out that one of my brothers had it as a regular part of his diet, both in raw and cooked form, I decided to try it, maybe a year ago or so. It had never been part of my personal menu. I bought garlic and cooked it according to instructions, and I felt completely out of balance afterwards. I felt slow and had a strange feeling in my head - like I was insane, and I didn't sleep normally. It took me days to get over it. One can ask if I would have felt better if I had eaten the garlic raw. Well, a couple of weeks ago I was on a visit and was served fresh salad and raw garlic on top of a sandwich. None of the components in the sandwich were unfamiliar to my palate, except thin and small slices of raw fresh garlic. I was very skeptical and remembered what had happened the last time I ate garlic, but the host insisted and I thought that maybe I would not have any problems with raw and fresh garlic. Afterwards, I felt almost exactly the same as I had felt with cooked garlic, and it took me at least a day before I felt normal again. So, apparently garlic does not agree with me. It would be interesting to hear what symptoms others have had. Does anyone here use it regularly? Excuse my ignorance but is garlic at all part of any raw vegan cuisine? Onion has not been a regular part of my diet either. I have tried using it, both raw and cooked, in my food, a handful of times during the years, because it's a whole food like garlic in my opinon, and others seem to use it a lot; but I can't say I am fond of it. I don't remember the last time I ate it. Fredrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Hygiene - the science that deals with the promotion and preservation of health; conditions and practices that serve to promote or preserve health. It probably is healthier to eat a whole, raw plant food diet. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Spoken like a true hygienist, bravo! > Elchanan > > Froggy [seconaphim] > Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:14 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Salt > > > > I don't eat condiments, salt, pepper, paprika, garlic, tarragon, > etc. I can't make a meal out of it, so why bother with it. The > other animals of the world only eat a few things, why does man think > he has to eat everything edible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Garlic and onion do not taste good. Don't trust the host on an occasion, they have their own agenda. According to my definition of the raw vegan cuisine, any plant matter that's raw, unheated in any way, is included. If someone likes raw onion and garlic, go for it. rawfood , " Fredrik Murman " <fpm@t...> wrote: > > Elchanan wrote: > > > Ever try a similar experiment with garlic or onion? (Including > > even the " mild " or " sweet " onions.) I found out that they are > > neither mild nor sweet! > > Since I classified garlic as a whole food, and had both heard and > read so much good about it, and since I had found out that one of > my brothers had it as a regular part of his diet, both in raw and > cooked form, I decided to try it, maybe a year ago or so. It had > never been part of my personal menu. I bought garlic and cooked > it according to instructions, and I felt completely out of balance > afterwards. I felt slow and had a strange feeling in my head - > like I was insane, and I didn't sleep normally. It took me days > to get over it. > > One can ask if I would have felt better if I had eaten the garlic > raw. Well, a couple of weeks ago I was on a visit and was served > fresh salad and raw garlic on top of a sandwich. None of the > components in the sandwich were unfamiliar to my palate, except > thin and small slices of raw fresh garlic. I was very skeptical > and remembered what had happened the last time I ate garlic, but > the host insisted and I thought that maybe I would not have any > problems with raw and fresh garlic. Afterwards, I felt almost > exactly the same as I had felt with cooked garlic, and it took me > at least a day before I felt normal again. > > So, apparently garlic does not agree with me. > > It would be interesting to hear what symptoms others have had. > Does anyone here use it regularly? Excuse my ignorance but is > garlic at all part of any raw vegan cuisine? > > Onion has not been a regular part of my diet either. I have tried > using it, both raw and cooked, in my food, a handful of times > during the years, because it's a whole food like garlic in my > opinon, and others seem to use it a lot; but I can't say I am > fond of it. I don't remember the last time I ate it. > > Fredrik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2005 Report Share Posted February 24, 2005 Seems so to me! Froggy [seconaphim] Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:54 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Salt Hygiene - the science that deals with the promotion and preservation of health; conditions and practices that serve to promote or preserve health. It probably is healthier to eat a whole, raw plant food diet. rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Spoken like a true hygienist, bravo! > Elchanan > > Froggy [seconaphim] > Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:14 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Salt > > > > I don't eat condiments, salt, pepper, paprika, garlic, tarragon, > etc. I can't make a meal out of it, so why bother with it. The > other animals of the world only eat a few things, why does man think > he has to eat everything edible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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