Jump to content
IndiaDivine.org

RE: The nature of science [s]

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Thank you, Rich.

 

I live my life as a ministry, entirely in service. Previously I spent nearly

25 years in high tech, as an entrepreneur primarily. I made a complete

transition in every area of my life, first beginning with my exposure to RF

in 1997, then subsequently into the ministry in 1999.

 

I do have a fairly nice math/science background, and I spend quite a lot of

time and energy on an ongoing basis learning about certain aspects of

biology, health, nutrition, etc. I also have at least some working

familiarity with some of the underlying physics and, to a lesser extent,

chemistry, as well as some of the applied math (statistical modeling

techniques, experimental design models) commonly used in health and

nutritional research (among others). So I can at least figure out what's

being said in journal articles and such. And I've always had a great gift

for " connecting the dots, " for perceiving relationships that others may

miss.

 

I'm continually amazed at how much " science " and " research " is founded upon

mountains of assumptions, conjecture, and just plain assertions and

" religious " beliefs. I have come to perceive much of what we call

experimental or research science, as these exist today, as a massive,

government sanctioned and funded religious establishment. There is a clear,

well-articulated belief system underneath the whole thing. There is no

research design -- no double-blind study, no analytical method -- that can

remove certain massive, systemic biases that predominate in the scientific

community.

 

EXAMPLE:

 

Science and its followers almost universally believe that genes are the

primary causal force for many conditions, including much disease, health,

personal capacities, etc. This belief is well documented, it is referred to

as the " Primacy of DNA " and it is also known as the " central dogma " (their

words, not mine) of biology.

 

Yet, this belief is no more defensible than a belief that the earth is flat.

Genes are not self-activating. They can no more cause anything to happen

than your car can turn itself on and drive to the store for you.

 

In fact, ample research shows clearly that genes are only activated in

response to signals from the environment within and without the cell.

Further, our genetic material includes certain proteins, enzymes that have

been labeled " transcriptase. " These enzymes are known to rewrite the genetic

code itself, in response to specific needs not taken into account by

existing genetic codes. In other words, our genetic codes are themselves

adaptive, within some bounds, in each generation.

 

This is not surprising. We have witnessed countless microorganisms mutate

adaptively in response to our poisons and other attempts to manipulate and

control the environment. Why would our species be otherwise?

 

The point is that ANY research predicated upon this belief, that genes are

inherently causal is immediately and fatally flawed to at least some extent.

Doesn't matter who is blind, how many Ph.D.s, or whatever.

 

Anyway, sorry to go off on a tangent, but thought it might be interesting to

share.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

Froggy [seconaphim]

Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:42 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Two Months Raw

I'm here to serve. As to the rest, very interesting. We certainly

do have very active bodies. To know all these kinds of things you

post about you must be involved with the sciences in some way, work

in that area?

Rich

rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...>

wrote:

> Hi Froggy,

>

> Thanks for your thoughtful replies, and for your great question

below.

>

> What does this line mean? " If your digestive system is

working, other

> systems are working, too. " What are the other systems that are

> working that you are referring to?

>

> Of course, this varies somewhat depending upon what you eat, food

already in

> the digestive tube, food combining. Following are some general

thoughts:

>

> - Nervous system - just directing and monitoring

> - Endocrine system - the HPA axis, particularly the pancreas, is

probably

> activated, at a minimum. Possible adrenal involvement, depending

upon what

> you ate and your metabolic vitality.

> - Various organs - liver, spleen, gall bladder, etc. The gall

bladder and

> liver carry much of the load in initial fat digestion.

> - Lymphatic system - As a generalization, fats are processed

through the

> lymphatic system before becoming metabolically useful. This is a

primary

> reason why it takes so much longer to " digest " fats, they are

processed

> through two systems. Interestingly, almost no one places any focus

on the

> lymphatic system. Yet we have 4 times as much lymphatic fluid as

blood!!!

> Lymph is what gives meat its " juiciness, " in large part.

> -Lungs/respiratory system - both bringing in the large quantity

of oxygen

> required for digestion, absorption, and assimilation, and also to

remove the

> light acid metabolic waste (e.g., carbonic acid as carbon dioxide).

> - Eliminative (urinary) - metabolic waste removal

> - Colon (lower digestive) - digestive waste removal

>

> There are more, of course, but these are a reasonable beginning.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Glad you stopped by. What have you been doing since '97 as far as

raw food? What kind of minister are you? you say you went " into the

ministry " in '99.

 

As a creature of God, man is drawn to religiosity in all that he does

regardless of his unconscious knowledge of such things. He can't

help but bring religion into what he does, his relationship with God

is the most important thing in his life whether he realizes it or not

and whether he consciously tries to cultivate it or not. That is the

drawing power of God, that is the will of the Father and no force can

temper that will. So, of course, people are going to put religion,

spiritual beliefs and practices, God, however you want to phrase it,

into whatever they do, including the government.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...>

wrote:

> Thank you, Rich.

>

> I live my life as a ministry, entirely in service. Previously I

spent nearly

> 25 years in high tech, as an entrepreneur primarily. I made a

complete

> transition in every area of my life, first beginning with my

exposure to RF

> in 1997, then subsequently into the ministry in 1999.

>

> I do have a fairly nice math/science background, and I spend quite

a lot of

> time and energy on an ongoing basis learning about certain aspects

of

> biology, health, nutrition, etc. I also have at least some working

> familiarity with some of the underlying physics and, to a lesser

extent,

> chemistry, as well as some of the applied math (statistical modeling

> techniques, experimental design models) commonly used in health and

> nutritional research (among others). So I can at least figure out

what's

> being said in journal articles and such. And I've always had a

great gift

> for " connecting the dots, " for perceiving relationships that others

may

> miss.

>

> I'm continually amazed at how much " science " and " research " is

founded upon

> mountains of assumptions, conjecture, and just plain assertions and

> " religious " beliefs. I have come to perceive much of what we call

> experimental or research science, as these exist today, as a

massive,

> government sanctioned and funded religious establishment. There is

a clear,

> well-articulated belief system underneath the whole thing. There is

no

> research design -- no double-blind study, no analytical method --

that can

> remove certain massive, systemic biases that predominate in the

scientific

> community.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Glad you stopped by. What have you been in raw food circles

since '97? What ministry did you join in '99?

 

Religion is, of course, going to creep into everything people do.

We're the children of God, like it or not, and a connection with God,

albeit often immature in its expression, is going to find it's way

into all that we do, including the scientific community and

government. To me, that's the drawing power of God to understand him

and it's inexorable.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...>

wrote:

> Thank you, Rich.

>

> I live my life as a ministry, entirely in service. Previously I

spent nearly

> 25 years in high tech, as an entrepreneur primarily. I made a

complete

> transition in every area of my life, first beginning with my

exposure to RF

> in 1997, then subsequently into the ministry in 1999.

>

> I do have a fairly nice math/science background, and I spend quite

a lot of

> time and energy on an ongoing basis learning about certain aspects

of

> biology, health, nutrition, etc. I also have at least some working

> familiarity with some of the underlying physics and, to a lesser

extent,

> chemistry, as well as some of the applied math (statistical modeling

> techniques, experimental design models) commonly used in health and

> nutritional research (among others). So I can at least figure out

what's

> being said in journal articles and such. And I've always had a

great gift

> for " connecting the dots, " for perceiving relationships that others

may

> miss.

>

> I'm continually amazed at how much " science " and " research " is

founded upon

> mountains of assumptions, conjecture, and just plain assertions and

> " religious " beliefs. I have come to perceive much of what we call

> experimental or research science, as these exist today, as a

massive,

> government sanctioned and funded religious establishment. There is

a clear,

> well-articulated belief system underneath the whole thing. There is

no

> research design -- no double-blind study, no analytical method --

that can

> remove certain massive, systemic biases that predominate in the

scientific

> community.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks.

 

The ministry I serve as Chaplain is called Vibrant Life, or its relative

Vibrant Living Ministries. It's about liberty, self-expression, vitality,

abundance, connection with self and with Divinity, etc. It is, on one hand,

deeply rooted in older sacred texts and ideas, and on the other, profoundly

contemporary and forward reaching. I actually teach people, who express

genuine interest, how to transform their lives into a living ministry, in

law, finance, family, vitality/health/nutrition, etc. A very holistic way of

life.

 

I, too, feel drawn back into connection with Divinity. And I feel called, in

a clear way, to serve, as ekklesia, one called out by Divine guidance to

serve.

 

Thanks for asking.

Elchanan

 

 

Froggy [seconaphim]

Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:30 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] The nature of science

Glad you stopped by. What have you been in raw food circles

since '97? What ministry did you join in '99?

Religion is, of course, going to creep into everything people do.

We're the children of God, like it or not, and a connection with God,

albeit often immature in its expression, is going to find it's way

into all that we do, including the scientific community and

government. To me, that's the drawing power of God to understand him

and it's inexorable.

Rich

rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...>

wrote:

> Thank you, Rich.

>

> I live my life as a ministry, entirely in service. Previously I

spent nearly

> 25 years in high tech, as an entrepreneur primarily. I made a

complete

> transition in every area of my life, first beginning with my

exposure to RF

> in 1997, then subsequently into the ministry in 1999.

>

> I do have a fairly nice math/science background, and I spend quite

a lot of

> time and energy on an ongoing basis learning about certain aspects

of

> biology, health, nutrition, etc. I also have at least some working

> familiarity with some of the underlying physics and, to a lesser

extent,

> chemistry, as well as some of the applied math (statistical modeling

> techniques, experimental design models) commonly used in health and

> nutritional research (among others). So I can at least figure out

what's

> being said in journal articles and such. And I've always had a

great gift

> for " connecting the dots, " for perceiving relationships that others

may

> miss.

>

> I'm continually amazed at how much " science " and " research " is

founded upon

> mountains of assumptions, conjecture, and just plain assertions and

> " religious " beliefs. I have come to perceive much of what we call

> experimental or research science, as these exist today, as a

massive,

> government sanctioned and funded religious establishment. There is

a clear,

> well-articulated belief system underneath the whole thing. There is

no

> research design -- no double-blind study, no analytical method --

that can

> remove certain massive, systemic biases that predominate in the

scientific

> community.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...