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Hi everyone, this is another somewhat long post about satiation, knowing

when we are finished eating.

 

Doreen: I am definitely not eating enough, and its making me gassy.

 

Froggy: What's not enough? if I eat when I'm hungry until I'm no longer

hungry.

 

Elchanan: Froggy's point here is quite well-taken, though perhaps a bit

brief. There are at least several challenges for most people in our culture,

even experienced raw fooders:

 

1. Many people find it difficult to distinguish between eating from physical

need (genuine hunger) and emotional eating. My sense is that Froggy is

largely (and most fortunately :) unaffected by this particular challenge,

but I know that many are not so fortunate. We have learned to use food to

numb out, redirect our attention from boredom, as a place of refuge, a best

friend, etc. Learning to distinguish between genuine hunger emotional

craving can take time, as it involves working through whatever issues lie

beneath the emotional eating. (More on emotional eating some other time.)

 

2. Most westerners have lost their innate awareness of the distinction

between hunger and thirst. Both occur first in the mouth. (Your stomach

gurgling is not hunger, it's gas formation due to poor food combining and/or

some other cause.) This can be relearned, but there are few who know how to

teach it. Thirst occurs fairly deep in the throat, as a dry or even slightly

raspy sensation. Hunger occurs further forward in the mouth.

 

3. In addition to emotional eating/craving, many of us experience altered

biochemistry due to years/decades of malnutrition, drug use, chemical

ingestion, salt consumption, etc. As a result, we may experience physical

cravings that distinct from any emotional cravings. Distinguishing can be

quite difficult.

 

4. Most of us have experienced extensive malnutrition for many years, due to

overeating empty calories (e.g., starchy foods) and undereating foods rich

in water-soluble and water-transportable nutrients (fruits, greens in

particular). As a result, we may be used to overconsuming calories, as our

bodies desperately attempt to find missing noncaloric nutrients. ( " Caloric

nutrients " include carbohydrates, fats, proteins. " Noncaloric nutrients "

include everything else.)

 

5. Because of the way most of us grew up, we have never really experienced

true PHYSICAL satiation from eating. Our systems can provide us with at

least three different experiences of satiation:

 

5.1 Caloric satiation -- we have consumed enough calories for

thermomechanical energy.

5.2 Nutrient satiation -- we have consumed all the other nutrients we

need, vitamins, minerals, etc.

5.3 Physical satiation -- we are feeling " full " in the gut.

 

In an effective diet, 5.1 and 5.2 should occur before we ever reach 5.3; in

other words, by the time we reach 5.3, we have probably overeaten in some

respect, even though we may have underconsumed many nutrients (as with a

high-grain diet). Yet 5.3, feeling " full, " is the only form of satiation

many of us have actually experienced.

 

So given all this discussion, how do you know when you are " eating enough? "

 

In the long run, the solution is to relearn the experience of satiation.

However, my observation is that this can take some time for many people, it

is an adaptive process. HINT: Anyone who claims to eat a couple of avocados

daily, or lots of nuts and seeds all the time, has NOT yet figured this one

out, no matter how much they protest to the contrary.

 

What's a girl/boy to do? I know of one strategy that DOES work, but it

requires some effort and learning up front. After awhile, things become

second nature, of course. Here goes:

 

1. Buy an inexpensive DIGITAL food scale for about $50 or so. Get one with a

tare feature. This is the ONLY way most people can truly begin to comprehend

the quantities of food they are eating. You weigh your bananas, avocados,

etc. for awhile, then you'll just know by sight. Then you can sell the scale

to another RF in your community. Of all the pieces of kitchen equipment

valuable to RFs, this may be the most valuable and least comprehended.

 

2. Guesstimate your basal metabolic rate. (For a rough cut, use your TARGET

weight times 10.) Then add a few hundred calories for routine activity, and

more based upon your level of physical activity. Problems: most people have

no earthly idea what a really honest, healthy target weight would be, as it

is confused with body composition. Also, many people have no idea how many

calories to allocate for " physical activity. " ASK FOR HELP, it's worth it to

know your own body!!

 

3. Learn the caloric content of the major calorie-bearing foods you eat. By

calorie-bearing, I mean that a banana may have 60-150 calories (yes, varies

that much with size), whereas a few cilantro leaves have essentially zero

calories. Don't spend your time learning the cilantro leaves, focus on the

foods that actually bring in your calories. This makes the job much simpler.

HINT: We WILL have a publication just for RFs on this some time this year,

promise.

 

4. Figure out a comfortable mix of foods that will bring in roughly the

daily calories you WOULD need if you were at your target weight. Emphasize

high water-content foods as much as possible. And yes, this will mean an

increase, often a BIG increase, in the volume of food you eat. After all,

high water-content foods are, well, mostly water!!!

 

If you do these things, here's what to expect, over a bit of time:

 

1. ALL your metabolism will normalize, from blood sugar to elimination.

2. You will experience, steady, consistent, available energy all day, every

day.

3. Bad breath, crud in your mouth, and smelly poop will disappear,

eventually body odor as well.

4. Particularly if you emphasize high water-content foods, as your body

rehydrates and reoxygenates, you will begin to experience more calm, better

poise, etc. Of course, there are significant emotional components here, in

addition to food.

5. Over time, you will begin to notice which foods " fill you up, " feel

" heavy, " etc. And your innate/inherent sense of satiation will return, to

the extent that you are self-observant.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

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It has taken me over a year to distinguish between emotion cravings and

genuine hunger/ thirst. If you are having the same problems, I suggest you

keep at it as the dividing line does get clearing in time, and I assume that

depends upon the person.

 

By the way, I don't get the connection between eating enough and gas.

 

Jesse

14 months raw

 

 

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<rawfood >

Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:08 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Eating " enough "

>

> Hi everyone, this is another somewhat long post about satiation, knowing

> when we are finished eating.

>

> Doreen: I am definitely not eating enough, and its making me gassy.

>

> Froggy: What's not enough? if I eat when I'm hungry until I'm no

longer

> hungry. snip

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The person to whom I responded wrote: I am definitely not eating enough, and

its making me gassy.

 

I suggested that these are not, in fact, likely connected, just as you say.

 

Best,

Elchanan

 

 

Jesse Parris [studio53]

Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:20 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Eating " enough "

 

 

It has taken me over a year to distinguish between emotion cravings and

genuine hunger/ thirst. If you are having the same problems, I suggest you

keep at it as the dividing line does get clearing in time, and I assume that

depends upon the person.

 

By the way, I don't get the connection between eating enough and gas.

 

Jesse

14 months raw

 

 

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" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo

<rawfood >

Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:08 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Eating " enough "

>

> Hi everyone, this is another somewhat long post about satiation, knowing

> when we are finished eating.

>

> Doreen: I am definitely not eating enough, and its making me gassy.

>

> Froggy: What's not enough? if I eat when I'm hungry until I'm no

longer

> hungry. snip

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" Buy an inexpensive DIGITAL food scale for about $50 or so.

Get one with a

tare feature. "

 

Question: What is this " tare " feature you refer to? Thanks!

 

 

All the best,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

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rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone, this is another somewhat long post about satiation,

knowing

> when we are finished eating.

>

> Doreen: I am definitely not eating enough, and its making me

gassy.

>

> Froggy: What's not enough? if I eat when I'm hungry until I'm

no longer

> hungry.

>

> Elchanan: Froggy's point here is quite well-taken, though

perhaps a bit

> brief. There are at least several challenges for most people in our

culture,

> even experienced raw fooders:

>

> 1. Many people find it difficult to distinguish between eating from

physical

> need (genuine hunger) and emotional eating. My sense is that Froggy

is

> largely (and most fortunately :) unaffected by this particular

challenge,

> but I know that many are not so fortunate. We have learned to use

food to

> numb out, redirect our attention from boredom, as a place of

refuge, a best

> friend, etc. Learning to distinguish between genuine hunger

emotional

> craving can take time, as it involves working through whatever

issues lie

> beneath the emotional eating. (More on emotional eating some other

time.)

 

Rich: I know that eating and emotions are connected and I currently

eat more than I truly need physically for emotional comfort.

Hopefully, as the emotions settle out, calm down, etc., I'll only eat

as much as I need to satisfy my physical needs. But I guess my point

was that regardless of whether it's physical needs or emotion needs

or actually a combination of both, that if I just eat until I'm

physically satisfied (and the mental satisfaction too) then I've had

enough to eat. If I eat a little extra for mental/emotional

satisfaction, like having some extra raw nuts, that's OK, it's not

going to hurt me in any way.

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I eat until Im full too, but Im still gassy

 

Froggy <seconaphim wrote:

rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone, this is another somewhat long post about satiation,

knowing

> when we are finished eating.

>

> Doreen: I am definitely not eating enough, and its making me

gassy.

>

> Froggy: What's not enough? if I eat when I'm hungry until I'm

no longer

> hungry.

>

> Elchanan: Froggy's point here is quite well-taken, though

perhaps a bit

> brief. There are at least several challenges for most people in our

culture,

> even experienced raw fooders:

>

> 1. Many people find it difficult to distinguish between eating from

physical

> need (genuine hunger) and emotional eating. My sense is that Froggy

is

> largely (and most fortunately :) unaffected by this particular

challenge,

> but I know that many are not so fortunate. We have learned to use

food to

> numb out, redirect our attention from boredom, as a place of

refuge, a best

> friend, etc. Learning to distinguish between genuine hunger

emotional

> craving can take time, as it involves working through whatever

issues lie

> beneath the emotional eating. (More on emotional eating some other

time.)

 

Rich: I know that eating and emotions are connected and I currently

eat more than I truly need physically for emotional comfort.

Hopefully, as the emotions settle out, calm down, etc., I'll only eat

as much as I need to satisfy my physical needs. But I guess my point

was that regardless of whether it's physical needs or emotion needs

or actually a combination of both, that if I just eat until I'm

physically satisfied (and the mental satisfaction too) then I've had

enough to eat. If I eat a little extra for mental/emotional

satisfaction, like having some extra raw nuts, that's OK, it's not

going to hurt me in any way.

 

 

 

 

 

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Why do you believe you're not eating enough if you eat until you're

full?

 

rawfood , Doreen Nash <doreennash> wrote:

>

> I eat until Im full too, but Im still gassy

>

> Froggy <seconaphim> wrote:

> rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...>

> wrote:

> > Hi everyone, this is another somewhat long post about satiation,

> knowing

> > when we are finished eating.

> >

> > Doreen: I am definitely not eating enough, and its making me

> gassy.

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Oh, sorry! The tare feature allows you to weigh the plate, then add one food

and weigh it, then another food, and so on, getting individual weights for

each item. Without this feature, you can achieve the same result by writing

it all down and subtracting from the total. Just nice to have, not necessary

by any means.

Elchanan

 

Jennifer [simplify]

Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:20 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Eating " enough "

 

 

 

" Buy an inexpensive DIGITAL food scale for about $50 or so.

Get one with a

tare feature. "

 

Question: What is this " tare " feature you refer to? Thanks!

 

 

All the best,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

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