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Dates vary in moisture by variety, storage time and conditions, as well as

outright drying. Dates grow in hot desert climates, so you wouldn't likely

find them growing in Florida, they'd probably mold, if they survived at all.

 

 

Regarding the Date People, I honestly don't know whether they are certified

organic, but I know them personally, and they are organic and beyond. I

realize you don't have access to any dates locally, that's why I suggested

shipping them in. And by the way, they'll customize any sampler you like,

just ask!

Elchanan

 

elvis pelvis [yogabare_2000]

Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:43 PM

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>The date harvest come in the early fall. There is

>huge date crop in

>southern

>California, generally in the Palm Springs area. And

>there are a couple

>of

>growers who ship organic dates anywhere.

 

>The Date People

>760-359-3211

 

I love the variety package of dates that they sell.

I'm not aware of them being certified organic. Some

types are so sweet that I want to dilute the sweetness

by eating them with nuts. It's odd to hear that's a

bad food combination when they taste so well together.

 

>I still don't really see them selling dried dates. I

>guess you mean

>the packaged pitted ones that are drier than the

>nonpitted fresh

>ones. But I eat them both without noticing much

>difference in them.

>I don't eat dried fruit though. I can't imagine by

>your definition

>of fresh ones that they're rare in North America,

>California and

>other hot areas with palm trees produce a lot of

them.

 

North America is pretty large with different climates.

I think of fresh dates as rare here because I've only

seen them once. I've never been to California and I

haven't found any in Florida. I'm have to check out

some palm trees in the fall. I usually see dried,

which look/taste very different from the fresh...and

they're often sold in the bulk section. Maybe the

fresh weren't completely ripe. They had a crispness.

The weren't extremely sweet like the dried, but I

figured the moisture diluted the sugar.

What I'm calling dried dates are not completely dried.

A friend received some really dried dates in the mail

from India. They were like hard candy and had no

moisture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I strongly recommend the Date People; I have ordered 45 pounds of dates from

them in the last year (some for gifts, I am not eating all these myself! LOL),

and they are perfect! The folks are very helpful and very kind, very nice to

deal with, and I've been able to experience a much wider variety of dates than

is normally available to me. (They have sampler packages of dates; mine included

eight different kinds.)

 

They can be reached by phone, not by email, and they are very good about

returning phone calls.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

Dates vary in moisture by variety, storage time and conditions, as well as

outright drying. Dates grow in hot desert climates, so you wouldn't likely

find them growing in Florida, they'd probably mold, if they survived at all.

 

 

Regarding the Date People, I honestly don't know whether they are certified

organic, but I know them personally, and they are organic and beyond. I

realize you don't have access to any dates locally, that's why I suggested

shipping them in. And by the way, they'll customize any sampler you like,

just ask!

Elchanan

 

 

 

 

 

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:) I love Jaime and his wife Anjou (Date People). Please do also also

consider Bautista Organic Date Farm, 760-396-2337. They do have different

selections available, if for no other reason than that the best of the

harvest at one may be different than the best at the other, in any given

year. I buy about 150 pounds per year, in a combination from the two.

Elchanan

 

Valerie Mills Daly [valdaly]

Thursday, March 17, 2005 4:04 PM

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I strongly recommend the Date People; I have ordered 45 pounds of dates from

them in the last year (some for gifts, I am not eating all these myself!

LOL), and they are perfect! The folks are very helpful and very kind, very

nice to deal with, and I've been able to experience a much wider variety of

dates than is normally available to me. (They have sampler packages of

dates; mine included eight different kinds.)

 

They can be reached by phone, not by email, and they are very good about

returning phone calls.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

Dates vary in moisture by variety, storage time and conditions, as well as

outright drying. Dates grow in hot desert climates, so you wouldn't likely

find them growing in Florida, they'd probably mold, if they survived at all.

 

 

Regarding the Date People, I honestly don't know whether they are certified

organic, but I know them personally, and they are organic and beyond. I

realize you don't have access to any dates locally, that's why I suggested

shipping them in. And by the way, they'll customize any sampler you like,

just ask!

Elchanan

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What is the number to reach the Date People? I am new, so I am sorry if this

information has already been previously posted.

 

Best Wishes,

Ravyne

 

 

 

 

 

 

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At Thu, 17 Mar 2005 it looks like INFO @ Vibrant Life composed:

 

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> :) I love Jaime and his wife Anjou (Date People). Please do also also

> consider Bautista Organic Date Farm, 760-396-2337. They do have different

> selections available, if for no other reason than that the best of the

> harvest at one may be different than the best at the other, in any given

> year. I buy about 150 pounds per year, in a combination from the two.

> Elchanan

 

Jeez, I just went to http://www.rawseattle.org/Dates/Frame.htm

and have never seen so many " Dates " in my life...

 

What type to people like? I'm not sure what type to order!

 

 

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That IS a nice selection! Note that this is an order form for the Date

People, one of the two sources I mentioned earlier. Also, note that the form

is a bit outdated.

 

I have only tasted about 1/4 of those, so I can only help somewhat. Also,

there is information missing. Some dates, particularly the moistest

varieties, are harvested and graded, usually #1/#2. The #1 are the REALLY

juicy wonderful ones, and the #2, when fresh, are still better than most

dates in the store. Usually there is a price difference. For example, from

the grower (Bautista) I've seen 15 lb of large Medjool #1 at $40, the same

quantity of #2 at $30. So I'd want to ask some questions before ordering.

The Date People ALWAYS ship high quality dates, in my experience. Also,

their shipping arrangements are good, so shipping is reasonable (given the

weight).

 

The 15 lb box is divided into 4 physical sections, these are the best choice

for a large sampler box. Ask for 4 varieties, one in each section.

 

The Khadrawi, really fresh Medjool, honey. Carmelita, and Black Precioso are

all known to me as moist. The Khadrawi are the sweetest of the ones I've

tried. Some people think the Black Precioso have a sort of chocolate flavor,

and of course the Carmelita have a distinctive hint of caramel. All of these

varieties are on the sweet size. The Medjool are the largest, then the

Precioso, then the others all smaller.

 

Barhi dates are also fairly moist, and this is one variety that sometimes

makes it into retail stores for some reason. They are good, I just happen to

prefer some of the others.

 

The Dayri, purple and red dates are not my personal favorites. The Deglett

Noor is another variety that tends to make it into some retain stores. It's

somewhat drier and less sweet. The Zahidi is, if I recall correctly, an

example of a drier date, and also less sweet. (In general, drier off the

tree means less sweet, as there is less water to hold sugar in solution.)

 

The brown fingerlings and Carmels SOUND good for some reason.

 

Please note that not every variety is available every year or all year. For

example, last year I got my Khadrawi dates from Bautista, because the Date

People's crop didn't come in so well. But they told me that up front, which

was really nice indeed!

 

Hope this is a bit helpful!

Elchanan

 

 

Bill Schoolcraft [bill]

Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:18 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

 

 

At Thu, 17 Mar 2005 it looks like INFO @ Vibrant Life composed:

 

>

> :) I love Jaime and his wife Anjou (Date People). Please do also also

> consider Bautista Organic Date Farm, 760-396-2337. They do have different

> selections available, if for no other reason than that the best of the

> harvest at one may be different than the best at the other, in any given

> year. I buy about 150 pounds per year, in a combination from the two.

> Elchanan

 

Jeez, I just went to http://www.rawseattle.org/Dates/Frame.htm

and have never seen so many " Dates " in my life...

 

What type to people like? I'm not sure what type to order!

 

 

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How long do the dates keep?

 

 

 

 

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Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:56 PM

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That IS a nice selection! Note that this is an order form for the Date

People, one of the two sources I mentioned earlier. Also, note that the form

is a bit outdated.

I have only tasted about 1/4 of those, so I can only help somewhat. Also,

there is information missing. Some dates, particularly the moistest

varieties, are harvested and graded, usually #1/#2. The #1 are the REALLY

juicy wonderful ones, and the #2, when fresh, are still better than most

dates in the store. Usually there is a price difference. For example, from

the grower (Bautista) I've seen 15 lb of large Medjool #1 at $40, the same

quantity of #2 at $30. So I'd want to ask some questions before ordering.

The Date People ALWAYS ship high quality dates, in my experience. Also,

their shipping arrangements are good, so shipping is reasonable (given the

weight).

The 15 lb box is divided into 4 physical sections, these are the best choice

for a large sampler box. Ask for 4 varieties, one in each section.

The Khadrawi, really fresh Medjool, honey. Carmelita, and Black Precioso are

all known to me as moist. The Khadrawi are the sweetest of the ones I've

tried. Some people think the Black Precioso have a sort of chocolate flavor,

and of course the Carmelita have a distinctive hint of caramel. All of these

varieties are on the sweet size. The Medjool are the largest, then the

Precioso, then the others all smaller.

Barhi dates are also fairly moist, and this is one variety that sometimes

makes it into retail stores for some reason. They are good, I just happen to

prefer some of the others.

The Dayri, purple and red dates are not my personal favorites. The Deglett

Noor is another variety that tends to make it into some retain stores. It's

somewhat drier and less sweet. The Zahidi is, if I recall correctly, an

example of a drier date, and also less sweet. (In general, drier off the

tree means less sweet, as there is less water to hold sugar in solution.)

The brown fingerlings and Carmels SOUND good for some reason.

Please note that not every variety is available every year or all year. For

example, last year I got my Khadrawi dates from Bautista, because the Date

People's crop didn't come in so well. But they told me that up front, which

was really nice indeed!

Hope this is a bit helpful!

Elchanan

Bill Schoolcraft [bill]

Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:18 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

At Thu, 17 Mar 2005 it looks like INFO @ Vibrant Life composed:

>

> :) I love Jaime and his wife Anjou (Date People). Please do also also

> consider Bautista Organic Date Farm, 760-396-2337. They do have different

> selections available, if for no other reason than that the best of the

> harvest at one may be different than the best at the other, in any given

> year. I buy about 150 pounds per year, in a combination from the two.

> Elchanan

Jeez, I just went to http://www.rawseattle.org/Dates/Frame.htm

and have never seen so many " Dates " in my life...

What type to people like? I'm not sure what type to order!

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At least 6 months refrigerated, but they dry out a bit in the refrigerator.

(Everything that is exposed dries in the refrigerator, that's how it works.)

 

I repack the dates in mason jars and store them lying down. I vacuum seal

the jars, which lengthens the storage life of the dates. I've literally lost

2 or 3 dates among the cases and cases I've bought.

Elchanan

 

Poppy Davis [poppy]

Friday, March 18, 2005 12:05 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

 

 

How long do the dates keep?

 

 

 

 

INFO @ Vibrant Life [VLinfo]

Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:56 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

That IS a nice selection! Note that this is an order form for the Date

People, one of the two sources I mentioned earlier. Also, note that the form

is a bit outdated.

I have only tasted about 1/4 of those, so I can only help somewhat. Also,

there is information missing. Some dates, particularly the moistest

varieties, are harvested and graded, usually #1/#2. The #1 are the REALLY

juicy wonderful ones, and the #2, when fresh, are still better than most

dates in the store. Usually there is a price difference. For example, from

the grower (Bautista) I've seen 15 lb of large Medjool #1 at $40, the same

quantity of #2 at $30. So I'd want to ask some questions before ordering.

The Date People ALWAYS ship high quality dates, in my experience. Also,

their shipping arrangements are good, so shipping is reasonable (given the

weight).

The 15 lb box is divided into 4 physical sections, these are the best choice

for a large sampler box. Ask for 4 varieties, one in each section.

The Khadrawi, really fresh Medjool, honey. Carmelita, and Black Precioso are

all known to me as moist. The Khadrawi are the sweetest of the ones I've

tried. Some people think the Black Precioso have a sort of chocolate flavor,

and of course the Carmelita have a distinctive hint of caramel. All of these

varieties are on the sweet size. The Medjool are the largest, then the

Precioso, then the others all smaller.

Barhi dates are also fairly moist, and this is one variety that sometimes

makes it into retail stores for some reason. They are good, I just happen to

prefer some of the others.

The Dayri, purple and red dates are not my personal favorites. The Deglett

Noor is another variety that tends to make it into some retain stores. It's

somewhat drier and less sweet. The Zahidi is, if I recall correctly, an

example of a drier date, and also less sweet. (In general, drier off the

tree means less sweet, as there is less water to hold sugar in solution.)

The brown fingerlings and Carmels SOUND good for some reason.

Please note that not every variety is available every year or all year. For

example, last year I got my Khadrawi dates from Bautista, because the Date

People's crop didn't come in so well. But they told me that up front, which

was really nice indeed!

Hope this is a bit helpful!

Elchanan

Bill Schoolcraft [bill]

Thursday, March 17, 2005 11:18 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

At Thu, 17 Mar 2005 it looks like INFO @ Vibrant Life composed:

>

> :) I love Jaime and his wife Anjou (Date People). Please do also also

> consider Bautista Organic Date Farm, 760-396-2337. They do have different

> selections available, if for no other reason than that the best of the

> harvest at one may be different than the best at the other, in any given

> year. I buy about 150 pounds per year, in a combination from the two.

> Elchanan

Jeez, I just went to http://www.rawseattle.org/Dates/Frame.htm

and have never seen so many " Dates " in my life...

What type to people like? I'm not sure what type to order!

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rawfood , Ravyne Hawke <ravyne_hawke>

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> What is the number to reach the Date People? I am new, so I am

sorry if this information has already been previously posted.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Ravyne

 

From Elchanan's post of 3/16, date sources:

 

The Date People

760-359-3211

no email of which I am aware

 

Bautista Family Organic Dates

760-396-2337

Ask for Alicia (A-lee-see-ah) The family is Hispanic, she speaks

excellent

English.

 

 

regards,

 

Bob

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> I repack the dates in mason jars and store them lying down. I

vacuum seal

> the jars, which lengthens the storage life of the dates. I've

literally lost

> 2 or 3 dates among the cases and cases I've bought.

> Elchanan

 

 

Elchanan,

 

how does one " vacuum seal the jars?? " high heat in boiling water,

and then put them in and seal up the jar?

 

thanks much,

 

Bob

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The Date People Address: P.O. Box 808 Niland, CA 92257 Phone: 760.359.3211

Fax: 760.359.3211 Raw Delicious Eco Sustainable Fresh Affordable

Unfrozen Rare & Exotic

 

Ravyne Hawke <ravyne_hawke wrote:

What is the number to reach the Date People? I am new, so I am sorry if this

information has already been previously posted.

 

Best Wishes,

Ravyne

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I found it was best to simply call them and see what they recommended at the

time; all I had ever had were medjool dates and your basic dried up old dates

from the grocery store. When I ordered, they were out of medjools, but had lots

of honey dates which a friend had recommended (they are marvelous, by the way,

VERY moist, very sweet and soft). I called them again after our first order had

come, and asked them to describe what they might include in a sampler box; I

followed their recommendations, and was very happy with the results. I now know

what I prefer! Actually, they were all good, and amazingly different from each

other, while still being alike in their " date-ness. "

 

Peace,

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760-359-3211

 

Ravyne Hawke [ravyne_hawke]

Thursday, March 17, 2005 8:58 PM

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RE: [Raw Food] Dates

 

 

 

What is the number to reach the Date People? I am new, so I am sorry if this

information has already been previously posted.

 

Best Wishes,

Ravyne

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh, sorry!! I bought one of those kitchen vacuum sealer machines from Tilia.

I think they are available at Target, Wal-Mart, etc. The machine is designed

for baggies, but there is an attachment for mason jars and other lids. No

heating is involved. It's not a perfect vacuum, but my perception is that it

helps.

 

Bob Farrell [rjf2]

Friday, March 18, 2005 5:59 AM

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Re: [Raw Food] Dates

 

 

 

>

> I repack the dates in mason jars and store them lying down. I

vacuum seal

> the jars, which lengthens the storage life of the dates. I've

literally lost

> 2 or 3 dates among the cases and cases I've bought.

> Elchanan

 

 

Elchanan,

 

how does one " vacuum seal the jars?? " high heat in boiling water,

and then put them in and seal up the jar?

 

thanks much,

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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BTW, I found an email for them, don't know how often they check, but suspect

intermittently at best. datefolk

 

Valerie Mills Daly [valdaly]

Friday, March 18, 2005 9:29 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

 

 

The Date People Address: P.O. Box 808 Niland, CA 92257 Phone:

760.359.3211 Fax: 760.359.3211 Raw Delicious Eco Sustainable Fresh

Affordable Unfrozen Rare & Exotic

 

Ravyne Hawke <ravyne_hawke wrote:

What is the number to reach the Date People? I am new, so I am sorry if this

information has already been previously posted.

 

Best Wishes,

Ravyne

 

 

 

 

 

 

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That's exactly what I did in the beginning, too. Great suggestion Valerie!

 

I do recommend trying Khadrawi if you can, especially if you like sweet

things.

Elchanan

 

 

Valerie Mills Daly [valdaly]

Friday, March 18, 2005 9:59 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

 

 

I found it was best to simply call them and see what they recommended at the

time; all I had ever had were medjool dates and your basic dried up old

dates from the grocery store. When I ordered, they were out of medjools, but

had lots of honey dates which a friend had recommended (they are marvelous,

by the way, VERY moist, very sweet and soft). I called them again after our

first order had come, and asked them to describe what they might include in

a sampler box; I followed their recommendations, and was very happy with the

results. I now know what I prefer! Actually, they were all good, and

amazingly different from each other, while still being alike in their

" date-ness. "

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

 

 

 

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Christine Pelton writes:

 

Greetings,

 

Several months ago I had the pleasure of visiting a wonderful organic date

farm here is SoCal, called Oasis Date Gardens. We took a tour of the place,

got to watch an informative video on growing and harvesting dates, and got

to taste many different types of dates. It was a fun afternoon, and a nice

road trip (about 1 1/2 hrs drive from home). They have an online store at

oasisdategardens.com, and they ship anywhere. I really recommend their

dates, they are just wonderful! And so many kinds to choose from.

 

Christine

_____

 

Thanks Christine!

 

When I saw your post, my first questions was " Are these organically grown? "

I checked their web site, which is quite clear in the matter:

 

_____

 

 

CERTIFIED ORGANIC AS OF OCTOBER 1, 2000

 

 

OASIS DATE GARDENS

 

Oasis Date Gardens (ODG) has been certified organic since October 2000.

ODG's organic practices comply with the National Organic Standard, the new

U.S. Federal Organic Standard, implemented in October 2002. Additionally,

ODG complies with the European Organic Standards (EEC 2092/91). Quality

Assurance International (QAI), an independent certifying compay, assures

that ODG is in compliance with the above organic standards. QAI annually

inspects, verifies and, upon compliance, issues ODG its Organic

Certification for the year.

 

_____

So now we have three sources people have shared:

 

Oasis Date Gardens,

The Date People

Bautista Organic Date Farm

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

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thx for this. i just ordered some. mouth watering already. lane

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Christine Pelton writes:

Greetings,

Several months ago I had the pleasure of visiting a wonderful organic date

farm here is SoCal, called Oasis Date Gardens. We took a tour of the place,

got to watch an informative video on growing and harvesting dates, and got

to taste many different types of dates. It was a fun afternoon, and a nice

road trip (about 1 1/2 hrs drive from home). They have an online store at

oasisdategardens.com, and they ship anywhere. I really recommend their

dates, they are just wonderful! And so many kinds to choose from.

Christine

_____

Thanks Christine!

When I saw your post, my first questions was " Are these organically grown? "

I checked their web site, which is quite clear in the matter:

_____

CERTIFIED ORGANIC AS OF OCTOBER 1, 2000

OASIS DATE GARDENS

Oasis Date Gardens (ODG) has been certified organic since October 2000.

ODG's organic practices comply with the National Organic Standard, the new

U.S. Federal Organic Standard, implemented in October 2002. Additionally,

ODG complies with the European Organic Standards (EEC 2092/91). Quality

Assurance International (QAI), an independent certifying compay, assures

that ODG is in compliance with the above organic standards. QAI annually

inspects, verifies and, upon compliance, issues ODG its Organic

Certification for the year.

_____

So now we have three sources people have shared:

Oasis Date Gardens,

The Date People

Bautista Organic Date Farm

Best to all,

Elchanan

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My friend says most dates are not raw. She says they are treated with heat

somehow? How can I be sure if they are indeed raw?

 

She was at the health food store and they called the date seller's of their

dates in the store and they, indeed, said they were not raw. How do we really

know if the dates we are eating are raw?

Maureen

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Sunday, March 27, 2005 1:51 PM

RE: [Raw Food] Dates

Christine Pelton writes:

Greetings,

Several months ago I had the pleasure of visiting a wonderful organic date

farm here is SoCal, called Oasis Date Gardens. We took a tour of the place,

got to watch an informative video on growing and harvesting dates, and got

to taste many different types of dates. It was a fun afternoon, and a nice

road trip (about 1 1/2 hrs drive from home). They have an online store at

oasisdategardens.com, and they ship anywhere. I really recommend their

dates, they are just wonderful! And so many kinds to choose from.

Christine

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Thanks Christine!

When I saw your post, my first questions was " Are these organically grown? "

I checked their web site, which is quite clear in the matter:

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CERTIFIED ORGANIC AS OF OCTOBER 1, 2000

OASIS DATE GARDENS

Oasis Date Gardens (ODG) has been certified organic since October 2000.

ODG's organic practices comply with the National Organic Standard, the new

U.S. Federal Organic Standard, implemented in October 2002. Additionally,

ODG complies with the European Organic Standards (EEC 2092/91). Quality

Assurance International (QAI), an independent certifying compay, assures

that ODG is in compliance with the above organic standards. QAI annually

inspects, verifies and, upon compliance, issues ODG its Organic

Certification for the year.

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So now we have three sources people have shared:

Oasis Date Gardens,

The Date People

Bautista Organic Date Farm

Best to all,

Elchanan

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Maureen writes:

 

My friend says most dates are not raw. She says they are treated with heat

somehow? How can I be sure if they are indeed raw?

 

She was at the health food store and they called the date seller's of their

dates in the store and they, indeed, said they were not raw. How do we

really know if the dates we are eating are raw?

Maureen

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I just talked with my long-time friend Jaime Jones, owner of The Date

People. Unfortunately, I am giving a major presentation in mere moments. So

I had to end the conversation, and we will resume during the next few days.

After that, I will publish a ton of information on dates -- handling,

processing, steaming, freezing, hybridization, sprouting, etc. I will also

contact one or two other organic date growers and have at least one of them

review what I have written before publishing to the group.

 

In the meantime, I can verify that if you buy your dates from The Date

People, they are never heat treated AND they are never frozen. They journey

straight from the tree into cold storage, where they remain moist and

reasonably fresh for months. The dates people in this group are receiving

now, about which they have been writing so enthusiastically, were all picked

during last fall's harvest, so that gives you some idea about how well they

hold up when handled and stored well. These dates are true blue raw!

 

Much more info by early next week, perhaps sooner.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

 

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