RE: Cleansing and cleanses [s]

[Guest guest]

Goddess Indiana writes:

The fast/cleansing I am going to do is the: " Colon Cleansing Kit "

by " Blessed Herbs " check out their website and tell me what you

think, although I have already paid to have it sent to me...........

 

http://www.blessedherbs.com/mucoid.html

 

It seems like it can and will get the job done!!

 

Also, they have a " Users Guide " there which is underneath the: " add

to cart " button which you can download and which gives all the

instructions regarding the fast and cleansing.

_____

 

At the risk of sounding pedantic, I take this opportunity to share what I

believe is an important philosophical and practical distinction. I have

already written a bit about choosing between to fundamentally different

perspectives, namely:

 

- that we cleanse, heal, repair, replenish, and rejuvenate ourselves under

the direction of our conscious mind, our intellect, our science, etc.

 

- that we place our faith and trust in Nature's design, and learn how to

support our body so that it may monitor, maintain, repair, replenish, and

rejuvenate itself.

 

For me, all " cleanses " fall into the first category, where we attempt to

rely on our intellect, science, etc. to somehow create health. From both a

physical and a spiritual perspective, I perceive all these cleanses --

master cleanse, colon cleanses, colonics, liver and gall bladder cleanses,

etc. -- as an intrusive use of violent force upon ourselves, our own bodies.

 

 

To choose such a course of action, it seems to me that one must first

conclude that his/her own body is incapable of maintaining itself, given the

proper conditions. These are merely the conditions in which it was designed

to live, nothing more or less. I do not believe Nature designed us, our

species or any of us individually, with an innate requirement to shovel

psyllium husk or any other husk down our throats in order to " cleanse "

anything. Seen through a slightly different lens, we should never NEED to

consume anything that requires any substantive processing at all. We may

CHOOSE to do so, but we never NEED to.

 

Some years ago, I learned from my beloved teacher, Ray Kent, the following

fundamental principle: The body heals itself. And health arise from within,

from the way we live 24 x 7 x 365.

 

That is, the body is a self-monitoring, self-maintaining, self-repairing,

self-rejuvenating system. What our body requires of us is that WE GIVE IT

WHAT IT NEEDS, AVOID GIVING IT WHAT IS DOESN'T NEED, AND STAY OUT OF THE WAY

THE REST OF THE TIME.

 

For me, this principle matches perfectly with the idea that I place my faith

and trust in Nature's design, which I personally consider as the Divine

Design. My pursuit of science, then, becomes an ongoing exploration of

Nature's principles, or Natural Law, so that I may better understand and

live in harmony with Nature. I do not seek to control Nature.

 

No treatment or intervention can ever create health, such actions can only,

at their very best, suppress a condition or symptom. And except for

instances of trauma, I choose never to engage in any such interventions.

Rather, I choose faith, trust, and patience, allowing my system to become

ever-healthier, never trying to " make " myself healthier.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I have to agree with Elchanan on this; being a veteran of a couple of 'cleanses'

in the past, I can verify that they are indeed feel invasive and harsh. And I

think it reflects a mindset that I am trying to escape from--trying to find the

'quick cure' for my body, rather than let it heal, deeply and thoroughly and

slowly, just providing an environment where health can occur, rather than trying

to fix it therapeutically (the traditional medical model, thanks,Dr. Graham!) I

am more and more convinced that simply eating the right foods in the right way

will be the best way to care for my body in the long run.

 

Here is a link to a site that gives a good " other side " view of colonics:

 

http://www.rawschool.com/colonics.htm

 

Another thing I have noticed is that folks who use the cleanses never seem to be

'clean' enough; one cleanse leads to another, and it seems to reflect more a

skewed view of our bodies and their processes (we are dirty, unclean), than a

more healthy view: this is simply how our bodies work. There appears to be a

tendency to dependence on these cleanses to 'fix' whatever we may perceive to be

wrong with our body at any given time. I have found a lot more peace in letting

all that go, and accepting my body as it is, and just taking the time needed to

let my body heal after all the years of abuse I've inflicted on it.

 

Peace, Valerie

 

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

Goddess Indiana writes:

The fast/cleansing I am going to do is the: " Colon Cleansing Kit "

by " Blessed Herbs " check out their website and tell me what you

think, although I have already paid to have it sent to me...........

 

http://www.blessedherbs.com/mucoid.html

 

It seems like it can and will get the job done!!

 

Also, they have a " Users Guide " there which is underneath the: " add

to cart " button which you can download and which gives all the

instructions regarding the fast and cleansing.

_____

 

At the risk of sounding pedantic, I take this opportunity to share what I

believe is an important philosophical and practical distinction. I have

already written a bit about choosing between to fundamentally different

perspectives, namely:

 

- that we cleanse, heal, repair, replenish, and rejuvenate ourselves under

the direction of our conscious mind, our intellect, our science, etc.

 

- that we place our faith and trust in Nature's design, and learn how to

support our body so that it may monitor, maintain, repair, replenish, and

rejuvenate itself.

 

For me, all " cleanses " fall into the first category, where we attempt to

rely on our intellect, science, etc. to somehow create health. From both a

physical and a spiritual perspective, I perceive all these cleanses --

master cleanse, colon cleanses, colonics, liver and gall bladder cleanses,

etc. -- as an intrusive use of violent force upon ourselves, our own bodies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Same for fasting. My body likes to have a little produce each day.

I can't imagine it hurts it at all. And I can't see any reason why I

should deprive my body of some nutrition every day.

 

Yea, and one fast should just lead to another if it's a good thing,

on a permanent basis. But it's not. " one cleanse leads to another,

and it seems to reflect more a skewed view of our bodies and their

processes (we are dirty, unclean), than a more healthy view... "

 

rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly>

wrote:

> And I think it reflects a mindset that I am trying to escape from--

trying to find the 'quick cure' for my body, rather than let it heal,

deeply and thoroughly and slowly, just providing an environment where

health can occur, rather than trying to fix it therapeutically (the

traditional medical model, thanks,Dr. Graham!) I am more and more

convinced that simply eating the right foods in the right way will be

the best way to care for my body in the long run.

>

> Here is a link to a site that gives a good " other side " view of

colonics:

>

> http://www.rawschool.com/colonics.htm

>

> Another thing I have noticed is that folks who use the cleanses

never seem to be 'clean' enough; one cleanse leads to another, and it

seems to reflect more a skewed view of our bodies and their processes

(we are dirty, unclean), than a more healthy view: this is simply how

our bodies work. There appears to be a tendency to dependence on

these cleanses to 'fix' whatever we may perceive to be wrong with our

body at any given time. I have found a lot more peace in letting all

that go, and accepting my body as it is, and just taking the time

needed to let my body heal after all the years of abuse I've

inflicted on it.

>

> Peace, Valerie

[Guest guest]

Beautiful. Cleanses are merely another form of " taking something " in order

to " fix something. "

E

 

Valerie Mills Daly [valdaly]

Tuesday, March 22, 2005 4:35 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Cleansing and cleanses

 

 

I have to agree with Elchanan on this; being a veteran of a couple of

'cleanses' in the past, I can verify that they are indeed feel invasive and

harsh. And I think it reflects a mindset that I am trying to escape

from--trying to find the 'quick cure' for my body, rather than let it heal,

deeply and thoroughly and slowly, just providing an environment where health

can occur, rather than trying to fix it therapeutically (the traditional

medical model, thanks,Dr. Graham!) I am more and more convinced that simply

eating the right foods in the right way will be the best way to care for my

body in the long run.

 

Here is a link to a site that gives a good " other side " view of colonics:

 

http://www.rawschool.com/colonics.htm

 

Another thing I have noticed is that folks who use the cleanses never seem

to be 'clean' enough; one cleanse leads to another, and it seems to reflect

more a skewed view of our bodies and their processes (we are dirty,

unclean), than a more healthy view: this is simply how our bodies work.

There appears to be a tendency to dependence on these cleanses to 'fix'

whatever we may perceive to be wrong with our body at any given time. I have

found a lot more peace in letting all that go, and accepting my body as it

is, and just taking the time needed to let my body heal after all the years

of abuse I've inflicted on it.

 

Peace, Valerie

 

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

Goddess Indiana writes:

The fast/cleansing I am going to do is the: " Colon Cleansing Kit "

by " Blessed Herbs " check out their website and tell me what you

think, although I have already paid to have it sent to me...........

 

http://www.blessedherbs.com/mucoid.html

 

It seems like it can and will get the job done!!

 

Also, they have a " Users Guide " there which is underneath the: " add

to cart " button which you can download and which gives all the

instructions regarding the fast and cleansing.

_____

 

At the risk of sounding pedantic, I take this opportunity to share what I

believe is an important philosophical and practical distinction. I have

already written a bit about choosing between to fundamentally different

perspectives, namely:

 

- that we cleanse, heal, repair, replenish, and rejuvenate ourselves under

the direction of our conscious mind, our intellect, our science, etc.

 

- that we place our faith and trust in Nature's design, and learn how to

support our body so that it may monitor, maintain, repair, replenish, and

rejuvenate itself.

 

For me, all " cleanses " fall into the first category, where we attempt to

rely on our intellect, science, etc. to somehow create health. From both a

physical and a spiritual perspective, I perceive all these cleanses --

master cleanse, colon cleanses, colonics, liver and gall bladder cleanses,

etc. -- as an intrusive use of violent force upon ourselves, our own bodies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I view cleansing and fasting separately. As a Christian I will pray and fast

for a closer and more intimate relationship with the Lord. When I fast I prefer

to fast with water only.

 

When I cleanse it mat be juicing a predetermined amount of meals, mono eating,

and eating raw and live foods for optimal health. The foods would include

wheatgrass, seeds no nuts, sprouts, and greens. During that time period for

fruit I would eat watermelon, oranges, and or grapefruits. I do not cleanse

because I feel my body is dirty. I cleanse to twice a year for discipline, to

give my digestive system a rest, to face my food addictions, and to cleanse my

taste buds to appreciate the natural taste produce with out condiment. During

that time I will give myself enemas with wheatgrass implants. I usually cleanse

2 to 3 weeks every 6 months. I have done in the past but as I listen to my body

I feel I do not need to get them.

 

Darcia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wow~

This is awesome to hear someone finally say this! (cleansing leads to more

cleansing/we are always " dirty " ).

I've heard Victoria Boutenko say this as well & it is so refreshing!

Leslie

[Guest guest]

Indeed!

 

chai_mama [chai_mama]

Tuesday, March 22, 2005 10:30 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Cleansing and cleanses

 

 

 

Wow~

This is awesome to hear someone finally say this! (cleansing leads to more

cleansing/we are always " dirty " ).

I've heard Victoria Boutenko say this as well & it is so refreshing!

Leslie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I too am trying to grow " a closer and more intimate relationship with

the Lord, " and the " discipline " of eating raw is helping that

endeavor.

 

rawfood , Darcia Dillard <mrsdill@s...> wrote:

> I view cleansing and fasting separately. As a Christian I will

pray and fast for a closer and more intimate relationship with the

Lord. When I fast I prefer to fast with water only.

>

> When I cleanse it mat be juicing a predetermined amount of meals,

mono eating, and eating raw and live foods for optimal health. The

foods would include wheatgrass, seeds no nuts, sprouts, and greens.

During that time period for fruit I would eat watermelon, oranges,

and or grapefruits. I do not cleanse because I feel my body is dirty.

I cleanse to twice a year for discipline, to give my digestive system

a rest, to face my food addictions, and to cleanse my taste buds to

appreciate the natural taste produce with out condiment. During that

time I will give myself enemas with wheatgrass implants. I usually

cleanse 2 to 3 weeks every 6 months. I have done in the past but as I

listen to my body I feel I do not need to get them.

>

> Darcia

[Guest guest]

I have found that fasting, for me, is a good spiritual discipline (I usually

fast one day a week); right now I am fasting to try to conquer the UTI I wrote

about last week. I had some fruit yesterday, and I think I may have been rushing

the cure a little bit, because the symptoms began to reappear. So today and for

a couple of days, I'll stay on the water (for my physical health, right

now--thanks, Elchanan, for the advice last week).

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Froggy <seconaphim wrote:

 

I too am trying to grow " a closer and more intimate relationship with

the Lord, " and the " discipline " of eating raw is helping that

endeavor.

 

rawfood , Darcia Dillard <mrsdill@s...> wrote:

> I view cleansing and fasting separately. As a Christian I will

pray and fast for a closer and more intimate relationship with the

Lord. When I fast I prefer to fast with water only.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Welcome Valerie! PLEASE CALL ME anytime during this experience if you like,

24x7, at 650-938-9025.

Elchanan

 

Valerie Mills Daly [valdaly]

Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:23 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cleansing and cleanses

 

 

I have found that fasting, for me, is a good spiritual discipline (I usually

fast one day a week); right now I am fasting to try to conquer the UTI I

wrote about last week. I had some fruit yesterday, and I think I may have

been rushing the cure a little bit, because the symptoms began to reappear.

So today and for a couple of days, I'll stay on the water (for my physical

health, right now--thanks, Elchanan, for the advice last week).

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Froggy <seconaphim wrote:

 

I too am trying to grow " a closer and more intimate relationship with

the Lord, " and the " discipline " of eating raw is helping that

endeavor.

 

rawfood , Darcia Dillard <mrsdill@s...> wrote:

> I view cleansing and fasting separately. As a Christian I will

pray and fast for a closer and more intimate relationship with the

Lord. When I fast I prefer to fast with water only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Valerie,

 

Thank you very much for this link. I have been looking for a cleanse that

really registers with me, and this one does. I appreciate your sharing it.

 

Sasha

 

 

 

http://www.rawschool.com/colonics.htm.