Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 VictorianApril [allhaul]Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:42 PM RE: [Raw Food] New Here I just happened to have theatwebsite in my favorites. I didn't know they had the protein powder. Thank you so much. I have asked many and finally someone had an answer. I really appreciate it. April _____ HI everyone, The largest, longest running studies on nutrition and disease have all observed a strong and consistent correlation between excess protein and almost every disease known to modern man. The quantities of protein found in fruits and tender greens are perfect for our species, after weaning, about 5-6% of total calories, perhaps even a bit less. More than this is toxic. So please don't eat " protein powder, " no matter who sells it or what claims they make. Thomas Pynchon once wrote: " if you can get people asking the wrong questions, the answers won't matter. " Instead of asking " where do I get my protein? " ask " How much do I need, what kind(s) best, what foods provide the ideal quantity? " Best to all, Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (871 characters) on 24 April 2005 at 13:11:34 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAAAGm2tCZwMAADUCAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0IaK 5vWE01vr+mP3X5KiBUxp0Cc2FCQwM5eYuUqdLE2g== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 what about the hemp protein powder or maybe its just hemp powder? Hmmmmmm Melissa --- " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: > VictorianApril [allhaul]Sent: > Saturday, April 23, 2005 > 1:42 PM RE: [Raw Food] New Here > I just happened to have theatwebsite in my > favorites. I didn't know they > had the protein powder. Thank you so much. I have > asked many and finally > someone had an answer. I really appreciate it. > April > _____ > HI everyone, > The largest, longest running studies on nutrition > and disease have all > observed a strong and consistent correlation between > excess protein and > almost every disease known to modern man. The > quantities of protein found in > fruits and tender greens are perfect for our > species, after weaning, about > 5-6% of total calories, perhaps even a bit less. > More than this is toxic. > > So please don't eat " protein powder, " no matter who > sells it or what claims > they make. > > Thomas Pynchon once wrote: " if you can get people > asking the wrong > questions, the answers won't matter. " Instead of > asking " where do I get my > protein? " ask " How much do I need, what kind(s) > best, what foods provide the > ideal quantity? " > > Best to all, > Elchanan > > > -- > ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature > ]---------------------- > vlinfo signed email body (871 > characters) > on 24 April 2005 at 13:11:34 UTC > rawfood > ------------------------------- > : Ciphire has secured this email against identity > theft. > : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled > lines > : below are the sender's verifiable digital > signature. > ------------------------------- > 00fAAAAAEAAAAGm2tCZwMAADUCAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O > zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0IaK > 5vWE01vr+mP3X5KiBUxp0Cc2FCQwM5eYuUqdLE2g== > ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message > ]---------------- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 For example: http://www.rawfood.com/cgi-bin/order/index.cgi?id=594850153731 & d=single & item_id=\ 0935 & c=Supplements & sc=Protein_Products & tc= Is this stuff considered bad too? Thanks melissa --- " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: > VictorianApril [allhaul]Sent: > Saturday, April 23, 2005 > 1:42 PM RE: [Raw Food] New Here > I just happened to have theatwebsite in my > favorites. I didn't know they > had the protein powder. Thank you so much. I have > asked many and finally > someone had an answer. I really appreciate it. > April > _____ > HI everyone, > The largest, longest running studies on nutrition > and disease have all > observed a strong and consistent correlation between > excess protein and > almost every disease known to modern man. The > quantities of protein found in > fruits and tender greens are perfect for our > species, after weaning, about > 5-6% of total calories, perhaps even a bit less. > More than this is toxic. > > So please don't eat " protein powder, " no matter who > sells it or what claims > they make. > > Thomas Pynchon once wrote: " if you can get people > asking the wrong > questions, the answers won't matter. " Instead of > asking " where do I get my > protein? " ask " How much do I need, what kind(s) > best, what foods provide the > ideal quantity? " > > Best to all, > Elchanan > > > -- > ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature > ]---------------------- > vlinfo signed email body (871 > characters) > on 24 April 2005 at 13:11:34 UTC > rawfood > ------------------------------- > : Ciphire has secured this email against identity > theft. > : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled > lines > : below are the sender's verifiable digital > signature. > ------------------------------- > 00fAAAAAEAAAAGm2tCZwMAADUCAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O > zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0IaK > 5vWE01vr+mP3X5KiBUxp0Cc2FCQwM5eYuUqdLE2g== > ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message > ]---------------- > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Melissa Thomas Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:58 AM RE: [Raw Food] Protein powder is poison what about the hemp protein powder or maybe its just hemp powder? Hmmmmmm Melissa _____ I always suggest eating whole foods whenever you can. So in this case, I'd suggest whole hemp seeds over powdered extract, why throw away what Nature put there just because some food chemist came up with a way to do so? Here's an idea for you: Peel an orange, put it into a high-speed blender with a teaspoon or two of raw organic hemp seeds and blend. Voila, salad dressing! Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (541 characters) on 24 April 2005 at 17:25:43 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAACX1mtCHQIAALYCAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0tgk 9k6fxg3pl/fkY4Usa0TE5qkhQs17vKygtkDg8PAg== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 I hear what you're saying. Possibly since I have been so out of whack for so long I need to take this gradually. When I cut out protein after already having no bread type of any kind or dairy I find myself lying on the floor unable to go pick up my son for school or make my family dinner or do the laundry or even read anything since my eyes start blurring. How about I go ahead and have a little protein until my body has been on raw foods for several months and then I will feel ready to make that change and let the protein go. April rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of INFO @ Vibrant Life Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:11 AM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Protein powder is poison VictorianApril [allhaul]Saturday, April 23, 2005 1:42 PM RE: [Raw Food] New Here I just happened to have theatwebsite in my favorites. I didn't know they had the protein powder. Thank you so much. I have asked many and finally someone had an answer. I really appreciate it. April _____ HI everyone, The largest, longest running studies on nutrition and disease have all observed a strong and consistent correlation between excess protein and almost every disease known to modern man. The quantities of protein found in fruits and tender greens are perfect for our species, after weaning, about 5-6% of total calories, perhaps even a bit less. More than this is toxic. So please don't eat " protein powder, " no matter who sells it or what claims they make. Thomas Pynchon once wrote: " if you can get people asking the wrong questions, the answers won't matter. " Instead of asking " where do I get my protein? " ask " How much do I need, what kind(s) best, what foods provide the ideal quantity? " Best to all, Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (871 characters) on 24 April 2005 at 13:11:34 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAAAGm2tCZwMAADUCAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0IaK 5vWE01vr+mP3X5KiBUxp0Cc2FCQwM5eYuUqdLE2g== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 VictorianApril [allhaul] Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:48 PM RE: [Raw Food] Protein powder is poison I hear what you're saying. Possibly since I have been so out of whack for so long I need to take this gradually. When I cut out protein after already having no bread type of any kind or dairy I find myself lying on the floor unable to go pick up my son for school or make my family dinner or do the laundry or even read anything since my eyes start blurring. How about I go ahead and have a little protein until my body has been on raw foods for several months and then I will feel ready to make that change and let the protein go. April _____ Hi April, In my opinion, your need to function (particularly with your children!!) far transcends your need to make this change at this time! I support you in this (and in any) choice you make! Best, Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (717 characters) on 25 April 2005 at 14:30:20 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAAD8/mxCzQIAAPQDAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0S0k jFPROE8FJ5jBDHpRaoGm56vyyXFyc9Fm4YANiDbQ== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of INFO @ Vibrant Life Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:25 AM rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Protein powder is poison rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Melissa Thomas Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:58 AM RE: [Raw Food] Protein powder is poison what about the hemp protein powder or maybe its just hemp powder? Hmmmmmm Melissa _____ I always suggest eating whole foods whenever you can. So in this case, I'd suggest whole hemp seeds over powdered extract, why throw away what Nature put there just because some food chemist came up with a way to do so? Here's an idea for you: Peel an orange, put it into a high-speed blender with a teaspoon or two of raw organic hemp seeds and blend. Voila, salad dressing! Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (541 characters) on 24 April 2005 at 17:25:43 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAACX1mtCHQIAALYCAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0tgk 9k6fxg3pl/fkY4Usa0TE5qkhQs17vKygtkDg8PAg== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Thanks, I prefer to function too. I'm glad you're here to help but not condemn if we can't quite be perfect yet. April _____ Hi April, In my opinion, your need to function (particularly with your children!!) far transcends your need to make this change at this time! I support you in this (and in any) choice you make! Best, Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (717 characters) on 25 April 2005 at 14:30:20 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAAD8/mxCzQIAAPQDAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0S0k jFPROE8FJ5jBDHpRaoGm56vyyXFyc9Fm4YANiDbQ== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Interesting aside query: Isn't the protein content of human breast milk 5-8%? tev --- " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: The > quantities of protein found in > fruits and tender greens are perfect for our > species, after weaning, about > 5-6% of total calories, perhaps even a bit less. > More than this is toxic. > Best to all, > Elchanan [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 tev treowlufu [coac2002] Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:32 AM RE: [Raw Food] Protein powder is poison Isn't the protein content of human breast milk 5-8%? tev _____ Hi Tev, This is a great question, first, because it is just interesting, and second, because some RF (and other) teachers and researchers hold that, since our growth rate during infancy is the highest at any time during our lives, and since protein is perceived as integral to growth, therefore there " should " be no time during our lives when we need a higher percent of protein than that found in human mother's milk. Laurie Masters and I have looked into this somewhat, but not thoroughly. We have found the following: First, we must all understand that this is a rather difficult topic for researchers to investigate. They basically have to find nursing mothers and convince them to donate some of their milk, at various points throughout the course of nursing (day 1, day 7, day 30, day 90, etc.). The researchers have to get a large of enough population to be statistically meaningful, AFTER dropouts, and get them to show up on all the scheduled dates. Further, the number or participants grows geometrically if the researchers want to subdivide the group in any way, as by race, age, number of children, diet, health measures, etc. So the amount of primary (direct, from the source) research in this area is pretty limited, to put it mildly. Much of the available data suggests that human mother's milk starts out at around 14-15% of calories from protein the day the baby is born, then drops gradually and steadily to about 6-7% (we found 6.3% in one " good " source) by about 6 months into the nursing process. There is some evidence that the protein concentration stabilizes at this point, but this assertion is grounded as much in the absence of data as in anything else. So we can softly say that human mother's milk ends up around 6.5% of calories from protein. What I find interesting is this: This 6.5% number corresponds roughly to the percentage of protein one would consume on a diet consisting of fruits and greens. Depending upon the specific food choices and the relative mix, we find people who eat this way generally consume about 4-7% of calories from protein. So it " looks like " a good match, in this sense. Best to all, Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (1967 characters) on 27 April 2005 at 17:32:52 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAADEzG9CrwcAAHQDAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X14KA Oa51UevwRGSQdE+um+SBcPxNLXg52AJs9NXg2LSQ== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Yes, Elchanan. That confirms it for me; and that was my reason for asking the question, to see what information others have. I think this sort of data is of paramount importance to all us raw fooders in putting into perspective the diverse claims " out there " concerning protein ratios. Efharisto, tev --- " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote: > This is a great question, first, because it is just > interesting, and second, > because some RF (and other) teachers and researchers > hold that, since our > growth rate during infancy is the highest at any > time during our lives, and > since protein is perceived as integral to growth, > therefore there " should " > be no time during our lives when we need a higher > percent of protein than > that found in human mother's milk. > Best to all, > Elchanan [...there'll be love and laughter, and peace ever after, just you wait and see... ---Vera Lynn] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 hemp protien powder is raw and green , it's not cooked down milk or soybeans. " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <> wrote:rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Melissa Thomas Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:58 AM RE: [Raw Food] Protein powder is poison what about the hemp protein powder or maybe its just hemp powder? Hmmmmmm Melissa _____ I always suggest eating whole foods whenever you can. So in this case, I'd suggest whole hemp seeds over powdered extract, why throw away what Nature put there just because some food chemist came up with a way to do so? Here's an idea for you: Peel an orange, put it into a high-speed blender with a teaspoon or two of raw organic hemp seeds and blend. Voila, salad dressing! Elchanan -- ---------------------[ Ciphire Signature ]---------------------- vlinfo signed email body (541 characters) on 24 April 2005 at 17:25:43 UTC rawfood ------------------------------- : Ciphire has secured this email against identity theft. : Free download at www.ciphire.com. The garbled lines : below are the sender's verifiable digital signature. ------------------------------- 00fAAAAAEAAACX1mtCHQIAALYCAAIAAgACACBZ36NZd8ice9rJ4ZlYrt6BrEjH8O zzmKDQLsTNDUWDmAEAhgSkE5NuzzvORJkeFIi/NVXB9GCG1XVfaMj+yPGZ0X0tgk 9k6fxg3pl/fkY4Usa0TE5qkhQs17vKygtkDg8PAg== ------------------[ End Ciphire Signed Message ]---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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