RE: EVERYBODY PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: Acid-Alkaline Balance in Urine [s]

[Guest guest]

Someone (left anonymous intentionally) wrote:

Are you only eating fruits and vegetables? Sounds unbalanced to me. How

about adding a few nuts/seeds/oils?

_____

 

No no no (to the nuts and oils idea)!!!!!

 

Jeannie's body is already experiencing hyperacidosis and possibly some

dehydration, the last thing in the world she needs is any more acid OR

anything dehydrating, such as nuts or seeds or any manner of oil or fat

whatsoever. She needs rest for her total system and water for cleansing,

elimination, and temperature management, above all else.

 

Listen everybody, it's really great to share and offer advice based upon our

experiences, etc. And I know we all really want to jump in and help one

another, and that's truly a gift in this group.

 

But when you really have not the slightest idea what a discussion is about,

please ask questions first, before you offer advice. Otherwise, someone

could get hurt -- really!!! In this case, if you don't know anything about

pH, and you have no earthly idea why the body would ever split the pH

readings as Jeannie described, or how the pH of urine could ever get so high

or what it may mean, please don't step from that absence of knowledge into

being a practitioner. You don't even know what questions to ask!!!!

 

Sorry to write in such strong language, but I am really much more interested

in preventing someone from getting hurt than I am in any hurt feelings, for

the moment. It's a prioritization I make easily and without hesitation.

 

As I have written separately to Jeannie, in all likelihood this is a

slightly elevated yet reasonably routine cleansing event. But it is worth

monitoring, just to be sure.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Written previously by Elchanan:

 

I am not a practitioner of anything. I do not practice, I create health for

myself and for others willing to walk with me. I distinguish between

creating health and treating symptoms (acute illness, chronic or

degenerative disease, etc.). I do not diagnose, for I do not label people. I

do not " prognose, " for I do not try and predict the future for other people.

And I do not " treat " anything, as I accept that I have no power to heal,

cure, etc. anything or anyone other than myself.

 

 

 

Also written by Elchanan:

 

Jeannie's body is already experiencing hyperacidosis and possibly some

dehydration, the last thing in the world she needs is any more acid OR

anything dehydrating, such as nuts or seeds or any manner of oil or fat

whatsoever. She needs rest for her total system and water for cleansing,

elimination, and temperature management, above all else.

 

 

 

 

 

I thought this group was to discuss the raw way and to get OPINIONS from

group members. I am not " being a practitioner " and although you claim not to

be, it certainly sounds like you are to me. It is an individual's job to

sort out different opinions and figure out what sounds the most logical to

him or her. I don't think anyone should blindly follow anyone's advice in

this or any other group. If you disagree with my opinion, fine - just write

" I disagree, this is what I think. " But to berate me publicly and to suggest

that I not offer my opinion is outrageous.

 

 

 

-Poppy

 

 

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

INFO @ Vibrant Life

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:00 PM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] EVERYBODY PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: Acid-Alkaline

Balance in Urine

* Someone (left anonymous intentionally) wrote:

Are you only eating fruits and vegetables? Sounds unbalanced to me. How

about adding a few nuts/seeds/oils?

_____

No no no (to the nuts and oils idea)!!!!!

Jeannie's body is already experiencing hyperacidosis and possibly some

dehydration, the last thing in the world she needs is any more acid OR

anything dehydrating, such as nuts or seeds or any manner of oil or fat

whatsoever. She needs rest for her total system and water for cleansing,

elimination, and temperature management, above all else.

Listen everybody, it's really great to share and offer advice based upon our

experiences, etc. And I know we all really want to jump in and help one

another, and that's truly a gift in this group.

But when you really have not the slightest idea what a discussion is about,

please ask questions first, before you offer advice. Otherwise, someone

could get hurt -- really!!! In this case, if you don't know anything about

pH, and you have no earthly idea why the body would ever split the pH

readings as Jeannie described, or how the pH of urine could ever get so high

or what it may mean, please don't step from that absence of knowledge into

being a practitioner. You don't even know what questions to ask!!!!

Sorry to write in such strong language, but I am really much more interested

in preventing someone from getting hurt than I am in any hurt feelings, for

the moment. It's a prioritization I make easily and without hesitation.

As I have written separately to Jeannie, in all likelihood this is a

slightly elevated yet reasonably routine cleansing event. But it is worth

monitoring, just to be sure.

Best to all,

Elchanan

[Guest guest]

I thought this group was to discuss the raw way and to get

OPINIONS from

group members. I am not " being a practitioner " and although

you claim not to

be, it certainly sounds like you are to me. It is an

individual's job to

sort out different opinions and figure out what sounds the

most logical to

him or her. I don't think anyone should blindly follow

anyone's advice in

this or any other group. If you disagree with my opinion,

fine - just write

" I disagree, this is what I think. " But to berate me

publicly and to suggest

that I not offer my opinion is outrageous. -Poppy

 

 

I have to agree with Poppy on this one. I felt that E's

response was inappropriate. We are all here to learn and

share. If I want just one opinion, I'll ask for it (which I

have!). Otherwise, I want to hear from a variety of sources.

I can decide for myself what I will do with the information

provided.

 

This group will start to get old really fast if there is a

single " authority " that must be kowtowed to. Best to start a

separate group for those who only want to hear one kind of

philosophy, if that's the case.

 

Sorry if I sound harsh, but it is how I feel.

 

 

All the best,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am weighing in on this topic, in favour of this being a free discussion group,

open to various opinions. That does not make us expert practitioners, but we all

get to talk freely here. I hope. If the OP (original poster) wants the opinion

of a " practitioner " , let her/him go to one. When you ask a question here, you

are asking tons of random people in all stages of knowledge on this topic. They

should all be free to respond as they wish. Thanks. Lane

-

Jennifer

rawfood

Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:54 PM

RE: [Raw Food] EVERYBODY PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: Acid-Alkaline Balance

in Urine

I thought this group was to discuss the raw way and to get

OPINIONS from

group members. I am not " being a practitioner " and although

you claim not to

be, it certainly sounds like you are to me. It is an

individual's job to

sort out different opinions and figure out what sounds the

most logical to

him or her. I don't think anyone should blindly follow

anyone's advice in

this or any other group. If you disagree with my opinion,

fine - just write

" I disagree, this is what I think. " But to berate me

publicly and to suggest

that I not offer my opinion is outrageous. -Poppy

I have to agree with Poppy on this one. I felt that E's

response was inappropriate. We are all here to learn and

share. If I want just one opinion, I'll ask for it (which I

have!). Otherwise, I want to hear from a variety of sources.

I can decide for myself what I will do with the information

provided.

This group will start to get old really fast if there is a

single " authority " that must be kowtowed to. Best to start a

separate group for those who only want to hear one kind of

philosophy, if that's the case.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but it is how I feel.

All the best,

Jennifer

[Guest guest]

>I thought this group was to discuss the raw way and to get OPINIONS from

group members. I am not " being a practitioner " and although you claim not to

be, it certainly sounds like you are to me. It is an individual's job to

sort out different opinions and figure out what sounds the most logical to

him or her. I don't think anyone should blindly follow anyone's advice in

this or any other group. If you disagree with my opinion, fine - just write

" I disagree, this is what I think. " But to berate me publicly and to suggest

that I not offer my opinion is outrageous.

 

**Hi Poppy (and everyone),

 

I wanted to reply specifically to your post because you seem to be really upset

by this issue. I want you to know, from ME, that I REALLY appreciated your

advice and am sorry that this discussion has led to upsetting you (and anyone

else, if it did). This issue has upset me too, and I've now had some

interesting feelings of anxiety and anger to deal with. And you are 100% right

when you say that EVERYONE has a right to add their thoughts, especially when

they're asked for. I didn't ask for " opinions from only those people who might

think they are qualified to answer. " I did ask for EVERYONE'S opinions and

thoughts on the issue. I figured that if anyone replied with thoughts at all,

that they must at least have some idea of what they're talking about -

naturally, in my opinion, those who wouldn't reply are either not interested in

that topic or just don't feel comfortable adding information. )

 

What IS important to me is that I do receive as much information as possible

from as many sources as I choose (especially when it's information that I hadn't

even thought of), and I will make up my own mind on how to deal with my own

issues. I take full responsibility for this, and know that I won't always make

the right/best/perfect choices - if I mess up I'm okay with that. I will

continue to learn my lessons until I get things right - mistakes are helpful

like that. They bang you on the head repeatedly until you learn something. )

 

What bothers me is when people speak for me about what they think I need. I'm a

big girl, and I make my own decisions, and I speak for myself, period. What

bothers me (especially in the whole RF realm) is when people with more

experience are given all the credit and are looked at as infallible because they

have more experience - please think and act for yourselves - I cannot emphasize

this enough. Everyone, please know that FOR ME, one individual's opinions do

not outweigh another's opinions, simply because of greater (number of years of)

experience. Granted, because of greater experience, a lot of times what the

more experienced person has to share might make better sense to me, but it

doesn't mean I close my ears to other ideas, by any means.

 

I appreciated ALL of the ideas that you guys posted to my questions - you gave

me exactly what I asked for, so a big THANK YOU!!! By trusting that I know my

body, I will decide on my own which path to follow, monitor that, and will let

the group know if anything changes, for better or worse. The reason is simply

so you guys can hear from my experience, and maybe learn something for

yourselves. That's it. And just because I might do some specific thing that

makes my body better or worse than it is now, doesn't mean that the same

specific thing will have the same affect on anyone else. My body is a

culmination of all my experiences, all the food I've ever eaten, all the

feelings I've ever felt, and all of the thoughts I've ever had. How perfectly

and totally unique we are!

 

Anyway, I just wanted to publicly post what I've been thinking about and feeling

for the last 24 hours, and maybe even add a little bit of closure to this part

of the issue. Because this has taken a lot of energy for me to deal with, I

need to take a short reprieve from the group, just to kinda laugh and center and

breathe on my own again. But I'll be back, I promise.

 

I, as always, appreciate and respect all of everyone's feelings and thoughts

here, and I wish you all well over the weekend.

 

JR

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jeannie for your thoughts and opinions. Thank you to Elchanan for

your thoughts and opinions. Thank you to everyone on this list for your

thoughts and opinions. The collective mind is greater than the single mind.

 

 

 

Have a peaceful weekend!

 

-Poppy

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

jeannie_rose_13

Thursday, April 28, 2005 10:03 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] EVERYBODY PLEASE PAY ATTENTION: Acid-Alkaline

Balance in Urine

*

What IS important to me is that I do receive as much information as possible

from as many sources as I choose (especially when it's information that I

hadn't even thought of), and I will make up my own mind on how to deal with

my own issues

[Guest guest]

Nice Jeannie Rose...

 

have a nice respite, and a good weekend yourself.

 

all the best,

 

Bob