Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Sorry...but I'm feeling a bit cranky today and these posts (excerpt below) from Froggy are not helping :-/ I, personally, find people who constantly quote scriptures to/at you left and right, and who come off as self-righteous bigots (who find pleasure in pointing out how wrong you are living/doing and how perfect they are) _really_ unappealing, and are people I generally try to avoid I would guess that this is someone who is relatively newly converted to this 'religion', young, naive and who obviously is so excited about how _they_ feel, that they are not able to *really see* how they sound to others who happen to not be in the same place or share the same reality. It's impossible for people to see any 'truth' that you may like to share when you speak to them with 'that' kind of tone...it is NOT compassionate, and NOT how Jesus would have talked to anther person (or at least that's what I imagine from what I've read about the man anyway hmmmm...I'm reminded of that time Quayle quoted JFK in one of the presidential debates, and the other candidate (whom I forget said something like, " Senator, I _knew_ JFK, and YOU are NO JFK " <grin> I would suggest to 'Jeff', that it might be very helpful to him to explore how to talk to people in a way where they might be able to receive 'his' information w/an open heart rather than only be able to focus on his negative, and YES, condescending delivery. " IF " it really is an intention, as was stated, to share what he discovered he might be able to do so joyful and graciously rather than to automatically push people away. If you feel you've got a 'good message' that you want to share, then you need to learn how to be a 'good messenger' or you may as well just keep it to yourself since it'll only fall on deaf ears, YKWIM? A good way to do this might be to explore some books about NVC (non-violent communication), a topic that was very recently discussed here. See the web site _www.cnvc.org_ (http://www.cnvc.org) to get started. ~Denise In a message dated 5/3/2005 11:49:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, rawfood writes: Condescend - to deal with people in a patronizingly superior manner. I don't think I do this at all, but I can certainly see how someone could take what I say in this manner. But I'm filled with happiness about this diet and I'm going to talk about it if it comes up. And the harder the terms I do that in, the better as far as I'm concerned. I see no reason to baby people, I see no real growth in that for myself or others. It's brave to get out there on a limb and state your glory. It strengthens my own life to do so. To talk like I am right now. People are powerful creatures, but they don't really want to know or see that, because then they would have to live up to the power that's in themselves. It's much easier to hide and think I'm lowly, it even feels humble doing that. Well, it's not. One of the best lessons I learned from TUB is that Jesus talked about his glory and humility, they're counterparts, not opposites. " You are the light of the world. A city set upon a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives Page 1571 light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and be led to glorify your Father who is in heaven. " I had no idea about finding my own glory until I read about how Jesus acted. I plan to let my little light shine as best I can, no reason not to, there's nothing to be afraid of. People need other people to give it their best, that's what helps them most. There's not that much a human can do for another human anyway so you might as well shine as bright as possible. My best is only going to help people a little anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Thanks for the lengthy comment. I read what I said at the end of your comment and I don't read it the way you're describing it at all. But that's okay, I'm not surprised either by your power. No need to apologize, state your truth, that's the only way we grow. Oops, sorry, that sounded condescending. That's a real dangerous scripture I quoted too, better watch out for that religious stuff. You wouldn't want God's will interfering with your life at all. I think people who don't like spiritual or religious conversation are just fiercely defending their own will. And I wouldn't go around calling anyone a bigot, it's rather a copout to resort to words like that. I sound great to some and I sound like you describe to others, I get both kinds of feedback which is to be expected from the powerful human race. My tone is compassionate as I understand it. It's Rich, not Jeff, Jeff is the person I was conversing to. Like I said you may be pushed away but others thank me for the way I say things. We're all very different and our interpretations are just that, our own interpretations. Your ears obviously aren't deaf with your lengthy response. I don't know what YKWIM stands for. I'm already perfectly non-violent, I don't need NVC. Sorry, that sounded arrogant. rawfood , we3deeves@a... wrote: > > Sorry...but I'm feeling a bit cranky today and these posts (excerpt below) > from Froggy are not helping :-/ > > I, personally, find people who constantly quote scriptures to/at you left > and right, and who come off as self-righteous bigots (who find pleasure in > pointing out how wrong you are living/doing and how perfect they are) _really_ > unappealing, and are people I generally try to avoid > > I would guess that this is someone who is relatively newly converted to this > 'religion', young, naive and who obviously is so excited about how _they_ > feel, that they are not able to *really see* how they sound to others who > happen to not be in the same place or share the same reality. > > It's impossible for people to see any 'truth' that you may like to share > when you speak to them with 'that' kind of tone...it is NOT compassionate, and > NOT how Jesus would have talked to anther person (or at least that's what I > imagine from what I've read about the man anyway hmmmm...I'm reminded of > that time Quayle quoted JFK in one of the presidential debates, and the other > candidate (whom I forget said something like, " Senator, I _knew_ JFK, and > YOU are NO JFK " <grin> > > I would suggest to 'Jeff', that it might be very helpful to him to explore > how to talk to people in a way where they might be able to receive 'his' > information w/an open heart rather than only be able to focus on his negative, and > YES, condescending delivery. > > " IF " it really is an intention, as was stated, to share what he discovered > he might be able to do so joyful and graciously rather than to automatically > push people away. If you feel you've got a 'good message' that you want to > share, then you need to learn how to be a 'good messenger' or you may as well > just keep it to yourself since it'll only fall on deaf ears, YKWIM? > > A good way to do this might be to explore some books about NVC (non-violent > communication), a topic that was very recently discussed here. See the web > site _www.cnvc.org_ (http://www.cnvc.org) to get started. > > ~Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 This is a site for raw food support. If you have a religion or a spiritual path, it's OK to mention that you do have one and that you find it helpful. It's not OK to talk about what it is. Please be respectful of others here. If you wish to tak about your religion, there are sites for that too. Thank you, Lane - we3deeves rawfood Tuesday, May 03, 2005 4:39 PM Re: [Raw Food] ?!?! was the physical and the mental... Sorry...but I'm feeling a bit cranky today and these posts (excerpt below) from Froggy are not helping :-/ I, personally, find people who constantly quote scriptures to/at you left and right, and who come off as self-righteous bigots (who find pleasure in pointing out how wrong you are living/doing and how perfect they are) _really_ unappealing, and are people I generally try to avoid I would guess that this is someone who is relatively newly converted to this 'religion', young, naive and who obviously is so excited about how _they_ feel, that they are not able to *really see* how they sound to others who happen to not be in the same place or share the same reality. It's impossible for people to see any 'truth' that you may like to share when you speak to them with 'that' kind of tone...it is NOT compassionate, and NOT how Jesus would have talked to anther person (or at least that's what I imagine from what I've read about the man anyway hmmmm...I'm reminded of that time Quayle quoted JFK in one of the presidential debates, and the other candidate (whom I forget said something like, " Senator, I _knew_ JFK, and YOU are NO JFK " <grin> I would suggest to 'Jeff', that it might be very helpful to him to explore how to talk to people in a way where they might be able to receive 'his' information w/an open heart rather than only be able to focus on his negative, and YES, condescending delivery. " IF " it really is an intention, as was stated, to share what he discovered he might be able to do so joyful and graciously rather than to automatically push people away. If you feel you've got a 'good message' that you want to share, then you need to learn how to be a 'good messenger' or you may as well just keep it to yourself since it'll only fall on deaf ears, YKWIM? A good way to do this might be to explore some books about NVC (non-violent communication), a topic that was very recently discussed here. See the web site _www.cnvc.org_ (http://www.cnvc.org) to get started. ~Denise In a message dated 5/3/2005 11:49:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, rawfood writes: Condescend - to deal with people in a patronizingly superior manner. I don't think I do this at all, but I can certainly see how someone could take what I say in this manner. But I'm filled with happiness about this diet and I'm going to talk about it if it comes up. And the harder the terms I do that in, the better as far as I'm concerned. I see no reason to baby people, I see no real growth in that for myself or others. It's brave to get out there on a limb and state your glory. It strengthens my own life to do so. To talk like I am right now. People are powerful creatures, but they don't really want to know or see that, because then they would have to live up to the power that's in themselves. It's much easier to hide and think I'm lowly, it even feels humble doing that. Well, it's not. One of the best lessons I learned from TUB is that Jesus talked about his glory and humility, they're counterparts, not opposites. " You are the light of the world. A city set upon a hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives Page 1571 light to all who are in the house. Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and be led to glorify your Father who is in heaven. " I had no idea about finding my own glory until I read about how Jesus acted. I plan to let my little light shine as best I can, no reason not to, there's nothing to be afraid of. People need other people to give it their best, that's what helps them most. There's not that much a human can do for another human anyway so you might as well shine as bright as possible. My best is only going to help people a little anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 We're human beings with thoughts, feelings and emotions. Raw eating is one aspect of our lives. We have many other things going on in our lives as far as what we need support in. It doesn't come up that often but we can't completely channel ourselves into a box. If religion or spirituality comes up, it comes up. It's important to stick to the purpose of this forum to discuss raw food issues but as creative, intelligent, interesting people other things are going to come out from time to time. You can't have absolutely no mistakes in this area, people have too much going on for that. It's a support group for human beings who eat raw food, not a support group for raw food. Rich rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote: > This is a site for raw food support. If you have a religion or a spiritual path, it's OK to mention that you do have one and that you find it helpful. It's not OK to talk about what it is. Please be respectful of others here. If you wish to tak about your religion, there are sites for that too. Thank you, Lane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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