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Hi everyone,

 

For a couple of months, I have shared literally hundreds of positive,

constructive, supportive posts and receiving many appreciative responses,

both in public and in private, Then, one week ago today, I sent out a post

of which I am not proud at all.

 

I am happy with the content of what I wrote, but I see, both on my own and

in the angry/hurt replies from a couple of others, that the way I

communicated was out of alignment with my own constructive intention and

desire to share with, connect with, and support others. So I take this

opportunity to apologize to Poppy, Jeannie, and to all in this wonderful

group for the language and tone of that message.

 

As many have undoubtedly noticed, I have not posted anything substantive to

the group since that time. After I " let loose " that message, I chose to

focus internally, to explore what had happened inside me that set off such

an uncharacteristic reaction. I discovered some unresolved feelings and

unmet needs arising from circumstances that occurred more than 25 years ago,

and then I took the time I needed to comprehend those feelings and needs and

resolve them to present time.

 

That having been done, I am happy now to reconnect with this group. I wish

to express to everyone how much I have gained through my participation here,

particularly connection with others where public interactions have led to

private, personal friendships.

 

I have decided to modify my posting patterns somewhat. I am beginning to see

the " same " (or similar) questions arising as new people enter the group. In

addition, as I read some of the conversations, I perceive a real need for

some frames of reference, so that terminology begins to make sense and

people can achieve increased clarity and self-reliance. For example, there

is presently a conversation attempting to distinguish between the terms " raw

foodism " and " natural hygiene. " But the question itself must be reframed

before an truly excellent, complete, and clarifying answer can emerge, and

such a writing would be far longer than many people might wish to receive as

an email.

 

Therefore, going forward, I believe my best contribution is to create some

more permanent, well-formatted (readable!!!) documents and make these

generally available. So I will continue posting here and there, but I will

also shift my focus and energy toward creating several longer, more

publication-ready materials to share.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

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Hi, Elchanan!

 

Welcome back to the conversation--I look forward to seeing those new

publications!

 

Peace, Valerie

 

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

For a couple of months, I have shared literally hundreds of positive,

constructive, supportive posts and receiving many appreciative responses,

both in public and in private,

 

 

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rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly> wrote:

> Hi, Elchanan! >

> Welcome back to the conversation--I look forward to seeing those new

publications! <== Ditto!

 

 

Bob

 

ps - I've missed your input!

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Hi Elchanan,

 

Nice to have you back! I really like your idea of creating

some longer posts that newbies (or anyone!) can refer to as

needed.

 

Since joining this list, I have made several changes to my

diet which have been a direct result of the information you

have provided, including:

 

1) I'm making sure I eat (and offer my husband!) enough

calories each day.

2) I'm eating more fresh fruit, including bananas.

3) I'm seeing dates as more of a quality food choice rather

than just a simple sugar.

4) I'm using celery in my smoothies.

5) I'm looking at the medical establishment and nutrition

research differently, with a more questioning attitude.

 

I know there is much more than that, but you get the idea.

Thank you for your contributions and welcome back!

 

 

All the best,

 

Jennifer

 

 

 

 

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Hi, Jennifer, sounds like things are going well for you; thanks for sharing your

changes with us!

 

Peace, Valerie

 

Jennifer <simplify wrote:

Hi Elchanan,

 

Since joining this list, I have made several changes to my

diet which have been a direct result of the information you

have provided, including:

 

1) I'm making sure I eat (and offer my husband!) enough

calories each day.

2) I'm eating more fresh fruit, including bananas.

3) I'm seeing dates as more of a quality food choice rather

than just a simple sugar.

4) I'm using celery in my smoothies.

5) I'm looking at the medical establishment and nutrition

research differently, with a more questioning attitude.

 

 

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rawfood , " Jennifer " <simplify@s...> wrote:

> Hi Elchanan,

>

> Nice to have you back! I really like your idea of creating

> some longer posts that newbies (or anyone!) can refer to as

> needed.

>

> Since joining this list, I have made several changes to my

> diet which have been a direct result of the information you

> have provided, including:

>

> 1) I'm making sure I eat (and offer my husband!) enough

> calories each day.

> 2) I'm eating more fresh fruit, including bananas.

> 3) I'm seeing dates as more of a quality food choice rather

> than just a simple sugar.

> 4) I'm using celery in my smoothies.

> 5) I'm looking at the medical establishment and nutrition

> research differently, with a more questioning attitude.

>

> I know there is much more than that, but you get the idea.

> Thank you for your contributions and welcome back!

>

>

> All the best,

>

> Jennifer

 

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Thanks, Jennifer!

 

I find your post very well stated. I'd have a very similar list to

yours, and probably even longer. I've experienced Elchanan as very

caring, supportive and a " laser-like, guiding light/beacon " for me.

I also have found many/most of his suggestions very practical,

insightful and implementable.

 

I've also experienced him as very human, and I found his re-entry

post refreshing, thoughtful (meaning he'd obviously given his

response lots of thought), respectful, honest (brave, thrifty, clean

and reverent...lol! parenthetical part left over from Boy Scout

days..)....you get my gist, I hope. I also find him well-grounded

and versed in the basic sciences, and clearly articulate in his

communications. He has, for me, a profound depth and breadth of

knowledge.

 

And I, for one, remain very thankful for having someone who's been

down some of the paths before, share his/her experiences of what

they've found that works/doesn't work, and why.

 

I also enjoy knowing that Elchanan is actively working on making

significant positive contibutions to others' lives.

 

Elchanan, my offer to assist in whatever manner possible, remains

humbly offered.

 

 

all the best,

 

Bob

 

 

 

 

I'm also very glad he's reconnecting with the group.

 

all the best,

 

Bob

 

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Elchanan,

 

Apology accepted. Thank you for this email. I love reading your posts. I

don't always agree with everything you say, but that is why I like them even

more. Figuring out what one doesn't believe in only helps to shape one's

opinion of what one does believe. The " longer more publication-ready

materials " will help out a lot of people, I'm sure - including myself. I

look forward to them.

 

All the best,

 

Poppy

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

INFO @ Vibrant Life

Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:17 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Reconnecting...

* I am happy with the content of what I wrote, but I see, both on my

own and

in the angry/hurt replies from a couple of others, that the way I

communicated was out of alignment with my own constructive intention and

desire to share with, connect with, and support others. So I take this

opportunity to apologize to Poppy, Jeannie, and to all in this wonderful

group for the language and tone of that message.

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Thank You, Elchanan. I like you alot, :-) and have very much noticed your

absence, and have missed your posts - I am soooooo glad that you are back!

Thanks Again for all the positive that you do for this group, which, I must add,

FAR outweighs the negative.

 

" INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo wrote:Hi everyone,

 

For a couple of months, I have shared literally hundreds of positive,

constructive, supportive posts and receiving many appreciative responses,

both in public and in private, Then, one week ago today, I sent out a post

of which I am not proud at all.

 

I am happy with the content of what I wrote, but I see, both on my own and

in the angry/hurt replies from a couple of others, that the way I

communicated was out of alignment with my own constructive intention and

desire to share with, connect with, and support others. So I take this

opportunity to apologize to Poppy, Jeannie, and to all in this wonderful

group for the language and tone of that message.

 

As many have undoubtedly noticed, I have not posted anything substantive to

the group since that time. After I " let loose " that message, I chose to

focus internally, to explore what had happened inside me that set off such

an uncharacteristic reaction. I discovered some unresolved feelings and

unmet needs arising from circumstances that occurred more than 25 years ago,

and then I took the time I needed to comprehend those feelings and needs and

resolve them to present time.

 

That having been done, I am happy now to reconnect with this group. I wish

to express to everyone how much I have gained through my participation here,

particularly connection with others where public interactions have led to

private, personal friendships.

 

I have decided to modify my posting patterns somewhat. I am beginning to see

the " same " (or similar) questions arising as new people enter the group. In

addition, as I read some of the conversations, I perceive a real need for

some frames of reference, so that terminology begins to make sense and

people can achieve increased clarity and self-reliance. For example, there

is presently a conversation attempting to distinguish between the terms " raw

foodism " and " natural hygiene. " But the question itself must be reframed

before an truly excellent, complete, and clarifying answer can emerge, and

such a writing would be far longer than many people might wish to receive as

an email.

 

Therefore, going forward, I believe my best contribution is to create some

more permanent, well-formatted (readable!!!) documents and make these

generally available. So I will continue posting here and there, but I will

also shift my focus and energy toward creating several longer, more

publication-ready materials to share.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

 

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Joanie Friday, May 06, 2005 11:07 AM Re: [Raw Food]

Reconnecting...

Thank You, Elchanan. I like you alot, :-) and have very much noticed your

absence, and have missed your posts - I am soooooo glad that you are back!

Thanks Again for all the positive that you do for this group, which, I must

add, FAR outweighs the negative.

_____

Thanks Joanie. It was really important to me, personally, to step back and

take genuinely responsibility for whatever was going on inside me. I

realized that whatever feelings I was experiencing were my own, regardless

of what anyone else had said or done, and I also realized that I had a

wonderful, though not initially pleasant, opportunity to grow and improve

myself. Hopefully, I have successfully done so.

 

I held an image in my mind of a tightrope walker. When a tightrope walker

begins to lose his/her balance a bit, he/she immediately takes a single step

backward, rebalances, and then moves forward again. That image expresses my

intention for myself last week.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

 

 

 

 

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