RE: Another Dumb Question [s]

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In a message dated 5/15/2005 11:48:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,

VLinfo writes:

 

Until you have personally done the killing, you can have no earthly idea of

the full energetic or moral/ethical/spiritual experience.

 

 

 

 

Yes, I could personally never kill an animal, for food or otherwise...well

maybe if if someone's life was being threatened by that animal?

 

BUT, OTOH, I recently hosted a Presentation to enlighten our community about

the issues related to our government wanting to drill in the Arctic Wildlife

Refuge. One of the 2 speakers was a Native American woman from the G'wenich

(sp!) tribe who, in her words, have ALWAYS lived in the Arctic Refuge

(basically in the last real wilderness in America).

 

She talked about their tribe's culture and their way of life, and the main

thrust of her talk was the tribe's interconnectedness with the Caribou who

migrate through the Refuge. She explained how they are aware that without the

Caribou the tribe's culture would become extinct as their diet is made up of

80% Caribou!

 

They hunt the Caribou during the migratration..only taking what they need to

survive. They have very many principals tied to hunting...no females, no

babies, and not even males during mating season. They use ALL parts of the

animal, for food, clothing, building, ceremonies, etc) and have ceremonies

thanking them and blessing them for each purpose. They are very reverent

toward

them.

 

From what I've read, most Native Americans are this way in regards to how

they think about animals...many of their Gods are in the form of animals.

 

So, while " I " personally would not feel comfortable killing an animal for

food and shelter (AT ALL!!!) because I obviously have a clear & viable

alternative/choice, if I lived in the wilderness in the Arctic, I might

understandably have a different perspective

 

xoxo,

denise

 

 

 

xoxo,

Denise

 

 

 

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Micki writes:

How does not eating animals or products they produce show a respect for

their lives?

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Micki,

Go out and slaughter your own animal. Then come back and we can continue

this conversation.

 

Until you have personally done the killing, you can have no earthly idea of

the full energetic or moral/ethical/spiritual experience.

 

Alternative: just take a tour of a slaughterhouse -- if they'll even let you

in. Conditions are so abysmal, most will no longer allow public visitors. I

have rarely met anyone. who visited such a place and was able to continue

eating meat.

Elchanan

 

 

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In a message dated 5/15/2005 6:32:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,

swingbolder writes:

 

What is immoral, in his opinion, is the

factory-farming industry which tortures millions of

animals a year for profit. That's a whole different

thing. It's simply wrong to keep animals locked up in

tiny cages where they can't move around, in the

darkness, away from their children, etc.

 

 

 

---> This is how I see it, too. Did you ever see that movie on the internet

called The Meatrix?! ~denise

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

My husband, a longtime vegan, has always said that

it's not morally wrong to hunt your own food and kill

it and that if that's what it came do, he'd probably

do it. What is immoral, in his opinion, is the

factory-farming industry which tortures millions of

animals a year for profit. That's a whole different

thing. It's simply wrong to keep animals locked up in

tiny cages where they can't move around, in the

darkness, away from their children, etc.

 

swing

 

--- we3deeves wrote:

> So, while " I " personally would not feel comfortable

> killing an animal for

> food and shelter (AT ALL!!!) because I obviously

> have a clear & viable

> alternative/choice, if I lived in the wilderness in

> the Arctic, I might

> understandably have a different perspective

 

 

 

 

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on 5/15/05 7:41 PM, we3deeves at we3deeves wrote:

 

> a year for profit. That's a whole different

> thing. It's simply wrong to keep animals locked up in

> tiny cages where they can't move around,

 

I completely agree. I believe consumption of veal has gone way done as

people have become aware of the deplorable conditions veal calves live in.

I pass a farm that raises these calves when I go to Niagara Falls. I

haven't eaten veal in about 25 years. All one needs to do is drive past the

row upon row of small calves chained to a white plastic " Vari-Kennel " to

lose one's appetite for a veal dish.

 

Micki

[Guest guest]

Oh, I TOTALLY agree with you on the factory-farming issue - it just sickens me

to think about it - I cannot STAND the mistreatment of animals - and all in the

name of money - such a very shameful thing - there are so much more ETHICAL and

intelligent means and options to feed people - and as we all know on this list

- much healthier ways. And that is a whole 'nother subject and issue.

 

we3deeves wrote:

In a message dated 5/15/2005 6:32:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,

swingbolder writes:

 

What is immoral, in his opinion, is the

factory-farming industry which tortures millions of

animals a year for profit. That's a whole different

thing. It's simply wrong to keep animals locked up in

tiny cages where they can't move around, in the

darkness, away from their children, etc.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yeah that was hilarious. Storewars.com is another good

one along similar lines (might've been made by the

same people).

 

swing

 

--- we3deeves wrote:

> ---> This is how I see it, too. Did you ever see

> that movie on the internet

> called The Meatrix?! ~denise

 

 

 

 

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