Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Sorry, could have got this together in one message.. I may browse at the new group from time to time but personally it looks a mess from over here. No offence intended.. If people are going to coment on what they are eating and then ask why they are experiencing certain health challenges? - Then people are all gonna end up going round in circles and never actually create health for themselves. It is a bit like those " diet addicts " - always looking and following different diets and not actually creating health and peace of mind. I am NOT trying to say that the 80/10/10 or any other diet is the ONLY way. But clearly if one is going to eat a Living Foods diet (for example)then one will create health challenges by eating fruit with oils, rejuvelac and nuts etc.. If you are someone who likes to make recipes I think that is fine, but truly: FRUIT NEEDS TO BE EATEN alone. Even sensible cooked food " diets " follow this rule to a high degree. Personally, i can not " sit here " and watch people making a complete disaster out of their well intended dietary habits. Who is left in the orginal group? Whats your view? I kinda liked that we were all able to offer some well thought advice and encouragement AND I appreciated the professional input from Elchanan I could not encourage or support anyone with a diet that clearly leads to challenges. I can imagine my concerns will be heard as judgement. All the best on your 30 challenge - a challenge it may well be!!! Repeat: NO DISRESPECT INTENDED. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 I see this often, seasoned raw fooders telling beginners how badly they are doing it. I think these refinements are more appropriate for folks who have been at this for a while, as they and their bodies see fit. In the meanwhile, the first thing is to just eat raw food. Period. The rest will follow if it is meant to. And yes this is just my opinion. It is also my opinion that we are here to support one another......so...... You go beginners!!!!! I'm holding you in my heart. Happy raw day!!!! Lane - korangeli rawfood Wednesday, May 18, 2005 6:57 AM [Raw Food] IMPORTANT TO ALL - Thank you. x Kay Sorry, could have got this together in one message.. I may browse at the new group from time to time but personally it looks a mess from over here. No offence intended.. If people are going to coment on what they are eating and then ask why they are experiencing certain health challenges? - Then people are all gonna end up going round in circles and never actually create health for themselves. It is a bit like those " diet addicts " - always looking and following different diets and not actually creating health and peace of mind. I am NOT trying to say that the 80/10/10 or any other diet is the ONLY way. But clearly if one is going to eat a Living Foods diet (for example)then one will create health challenges by eating fruit with oils, rejuvelac and nuts etc.. If you are someone who likes to make recipes I think that is fine, but truly: FRUIT NEEDS TO BE EATEN alone. Even sensible cooked food " diets " follow this rule to a high degree. Personally, i can not " sit here " and watch people making a complete disaster out of their well intended dietary habits. Who is left in the orginal group? Whats your view? I kinda liked that we were all able to offer some well thought advice and encouragement AND I appreciated the professional input from Elchanan I could not encourage or support anyone with a diet that clearly leads to challenges. I can imagine my concerns will be heard as judgement. All the best on your 30 challenge - a challenge it may well be!!! Repeat: NO DISRESPECT INTENDED. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote: > I see this often, seasoned raw fooders telling beginners how badly they are doing it. I think these refinements are more appropriate for folks who have been at this for a while, as they and their bodies see fit. In the meanwhile, the first thing is to just eat raw food. Period. The rest will follow if it is meant to. And yes this is just my opinion. It is also my opinion that we are here to support one another......so...... > You go beginners!!!!! I'm holding you in my heart. Happy raw day!!!! Lane Truly - Truly I believe this belief has 'flaws'.. " the first thing is just to eat raw " People get themselves in all kinds of distress and often end up eating FAR worse than they ever did previously. Then they lose faith in natures healing. Lose faith in their own resources. But it is just an opinion i agree. Seen it in many and experienced it myself though xxKay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 rawfood , " korangeli " <korangeli> wrote: > rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote: > > I see this often, seasoned raw fooders telling beginners how badly > they are doing it. I think these refinements are more appropriate for > folks who have been at this for a while, as they and their bodies see > fit. In the meanwhile, the first thing is to just eat raw food. > Period. The rest will follow if it is meant to. And yes this is just > my opinion. It is also my opinion that we are here to support one > another......so...... > > You go beginners!!!!! I'm holding you in my heart. Happy raw > day!!!! Lane > > > Truly - Truly I believe this belief has 'flaws'.. > " the first thing is just to eat raw " > > People get themselves in all kinds of distress and often end up > eating FAR worse than they ever did previously. Then they lose faith > in natures healing. Lose faith in their own resources. > But it is just an opinion i agree. > Seen it in many and experienced it myself though ----- I actually agree with both perspectives: 1. just eat raw food, I find is a *much* more optimal choice than eating cooked foods. Is it, in and of itself, optimum? it may or may not be, depending upon how foods are combined. 2. for me then, it's all about how people learn. re: Advice - " ...Wise men don't need it, and fools won't heed it... " or something very similar. In real life, I've found that watching for an opening, and then checking gently with an opening question something like: " ...are you open for some feedback/suggestions?... " works well for me. That way, if the people " say " that they are open for feedback or suggestions, they really might be! My experience is that new raw fooders need support and encouragement more than they need any advice/guidance, " in the beginning " . My suggestion is to go back to like the middle of February and look for posts from Elchanan for how to provide very helpful suggestions. Why do I say this, because although I've been " raw " since 9/04, I didn't switch to mostly Frugivore until the middle of March, and I personally experienced many of Elchanan's public and private posts to be very helpful. Note the timing: in my case, I wasn't really " ready " to hear much else until I was ready....lol! now, there's a HUGE surprise! lol.... all the best, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 > > Truly - Truly I believe this belief has 'flaws'.. > > " the first thing is just to eat raw " > > > > People get themselves in all kinds of distress and often end up > > eating FAR worse than they ever did previously. Then they lose > faith > > in natures healing. Lose faith in their own resources. > > But it is just an opinion i agree. > > Seen it in many and experienced it myself though > > ----- > I actually agree with both perspectives: > > 1. just eat raw food, I find is a *much* more optimal choice than > eating cooked foods. Is it, in and of itself, optimum? it may or > may not be, depending upon how foods are combined. > My experience is that new raw fooders need support and encouragement although I've been " raw " since 9/04, I didn't > switch to mostly Frugivore until the middle of March, and I > personally experienced many of Elchanan's public and private posts to > be very helpful. Note the timing: in my case, I wasn't > really " ready " to hear much else until I was ready....lol! now, > there's a HUGE surprise! lol.... > > all the best, > Bob Kay again.. Actually YES - that last time holds all the truth doesnt it! We actually listen only when we feel " ready " I believe that brings us back to the " two sides of a coin " We actually " like " to experience all sides of everything in most circumstances or at certain points on our paths!! One thing though.. There are a number of " us " who feel that an optimal diet is not neccessarily all raw if no guidelines are followed on that raw diet. For example: We have found a diet consisting of steam vegetables and salad / Or even eating steamed quinoa/millet etc to be far more beneficial than eating nuts and fruits combined in a pie. A raw food recipe containing oils and spices etc.. The key was eating fruit seperately, alone and keeping it simple. Eating foods as they arrive naturally. Simply softening them with steam/water. I personally never eat raw pies and recipes. I would be more inclined to eat steam veg. Any similar views?? Thats the last on this subject from me.x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Hi Kay. I think we are all grappling with the same principles. In my experience, the folks who are refining the raw food diet further than the " just eat anything raw " approach, are those that have been at it a while. Many folks I know who have been raw for some time, started with this same approach for a couple of years and then started to refine. I am not sure the body is ready during transition for this tailored raw way of eating, at least for a lot of folks. I do not eat a lot of pies because I am too lazy to make them, but if I was offered one at dinner, I would tuck in. I am noticing with interest though, that my food desires are slowly evolving. Other things are changing too. I walk most days for at least two miles. For me that is good. I'm sure many here could write me and tell me it's not enough, that I should be doing weights etc. But for me, I know it's good, and going in the right direction. I wouldn't be surprised if, at a later time I add more things in. Soon my broken arm will be better enough for me to be out on the tennis court. There are beautiful courts right out here in Central Park, which I can walk to from my home here in New York City. The point is, as I gain more and more health, I will gain more and more healthful practices. Maybe I will take up yoga or start eating wheat grass juice. All the while, I hope I won't admonish those at a different stage/place that unless they drink wheat grass juice and do yoga, they are hopelessly unhealthy. I enjoy this life style. I am happy with it and everyday I am thankful for it. I look forward to growing in it, at my own pace. Yours in health, Lane - korangeli rawfood Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:53 PM [Raw Food] Re: IMPORTANT TO ALL - Thank you. x Kay rawfood , " lane lynn " <lanie@p...> wrote: > I see this often, seasoned raw fooders telling beginners how badly they are doing it. I think these refinements are more appropriate for folks who have been at this for a while, as they and their bodies see fit. In the meanwhile, the first thing is to just eat raw food. Period. The rest will follow if it is meant to. And yes this is just my opinion. It is also my opinion that we are here to support one another......so...... > You go beginners!!!!! I'm holding you in my heart. Happy raw day!!!! Lane Truly - Truly I believe this belief has 'flaws'.. " the first thing is just to eat raw " People get themselves in all kinds of distress and often end up eating FAR worse than they ever did previously. Then they lose faith in natures healing. Lose faith in their own resources. But it is just an opinion i agree. Seen it in many and experienced it myself though xxKay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Great follow-up post by you, too, Swing!!! I so agree. With me just starting out in this way of eating/thinking, too many rules could really prove disasterous! I was even a meat eater <horrors!> before starting this 30 day Raw Challenge!!! So I may need to take smaller baby steps that others <grin> But I AM learning, I AM feeling great about the journey...I'm excited and invigorated. I don't want to get bogged down with too many rules just yet...not until it all feels more natural and easy to me. I need to make the transition in my own time....raw is enough for me just now. I can see why many of you longtime raw fooders say it took you a while to adopt the 8-1-1/natural hygiene path. But I can also see how you eventually came to make the next transition and are now happy with that choice. Baby steps, here xoxo, denise, Day 4 of 100% raw! In a message dated 5/19/2005 10:38:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, swingbolder writes: Great post. If I'd felt like I had to follow all those natural hygiene laws when I first started out, I NEVER would stayed raw. I would have gotten hopelessly frustrated with all the new rules (and subsequent shock to my system and psyche) and would have given up within a week or two. Sometimes you need to experience firthand for yourself what happens when you combine fruits and nuts, or eat too late in the day, or don't get enough greens, or eat too many grains or dehydrated foods, etc. in order to really learn the lesson and apply it your own health. It's a process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Great post. If I'd felt like I had to follow all those natural hygiene laws when I first started out, I NEVER would stayed raw. I would have gotten hopelessly frustrated with all the new rules (and subsequent shock to my system and psyche) and would have given up within a week or two. Sometimes you need to experience firthand for yourself what happens when you combine fruits and nuts, or eat too late in the day, or don't get enough greens, or eat too many grains or dehydrated foods, etc. in order to really learn the lesson and apply it your own health. It's a process. swing --- lane lynn <lanie wrote: > >I am not > sure the body is ready during transition for this > tailored raw way of eating, at least for a lot of > folks. Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail./mailtour.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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