Hygienic/Natural Laws/Rules [WAS]: IMPORTANT TO ALL

[Guest guest]

Oh THANK YOU, Bob..I've been feeling like this is *exactly* what has been

occurring quite a lot here lately, and your words are *exactly* what needed to

be expressed. Just reading some of the posts have made me bristle...(and

alternately have been teaching me to step back and try to learn by these

feelings!!). Lot's of " us " =enlightened/optimal vs " them " = less

than/SUBoptimal

language I'm sure the posters weren't doing this intentionally, but as

someone new to all this, it IS how it has felt at times.

 

In one of the books I'm currently reading, Boutenko's 12 Steps To Raw,

Victoria has a wonderful chapter on talking to others about eating raw, and

it's

mostly about letting yourself be a model by example, rather than getting on a

soapbox (which she rightly says only tends to push people away). Anyway,

it's been very helpful dealing with the feelings that I've gotten from some of

the posts here

 

xoxo,

denise

 

In a message dated 5/19/2005 5:44:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,

rjf2 writes:

 

Kay, note that this language may continue to be viewed/read as

devisive and/or polarizing - if a group of people are created/knighted

as the " we/us " - then the others must necessarily be the " them/the

outsiders " -- I'm not sure that this is the most effective language to

plant seeds/help foster learning: it can tend to create

the " genius/idiot " syndrome - where one group are the geniuses and the

other treated as idiots, which I find isn't very helpful for either

group. Everyone can learn " something " from everyone else. (spoken from

someone who has *lots* of experience in speaking from a " genius "

perspective, and has been kicked about....lol!)

 

I encourage all to be supportive, to use inclusive language, and to be

unusually " gentle " in how we communicate with each other. We're all on

a path, have all chosen to make some significant departures from

mainstream thinking regarding nutrition and eating, and we could all

use support/companionship on the journey.

 

Learning how to communicate " facts/learnings " in a non-devisive way, I

find to be a useful tool. again, I recommend some of the earlier

Elchanan posts as excellent examples of how to do this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/19/2005 5:44:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,

rjf2 writes:

 

<<Now, how do/did I

decide that these are both suboptimal choices: based upon the

observations/thoughts/learnings of many Natural Hygienists who have

gone before me. Not all of my learning has to be experiential.

 

<<Which probably leads into another discussion about how people learn.

Maybe a separate post in a while. and maybe a better post on Natural

Hygiene Laws.

 

--> Another great post, Bob How about some book recommendations? I've

only got a few raw books, and they all seem to be not the Natural Hygiene

approach. books by Shazzie, Alissa Cohen & the Boutenkos.....So what would be,

IYO, the best book to get to become more educated about NH?

 

Thanks,

Denise

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay, and others. couple of thoughts below...

----Big snip----

> > 1. just eat raw food, I find is a *much* more optimal choice than

> > eating cooked foods. Is it, in and of itself, optimum? it may or

> > may not be, depending upon how foods are combined.

 

Above sentence was intended to " plant the seed " about food-combining;

maybe someone would be interested in learning more..and the seed is

planted. Notice that I claimed it as " my " experience. I can have my

experience, and not make anyone else wrong: it's just my experience.

and, I can state how it's working for me, or maybe even how it has

worked for others, either by observation or reading.

 

> There are a number of " us " who feel that an optimal diet is not

> neccessarily all raw if no guidelines are followed on that raw diet.

 

Kay, note that this language may continue to be viewed/read as

devisive and/or polarizing - if a group of people are created/knighted

as the " we/us " - then the others must necessarily be the " them/the

outsiders " -- I'm not sure that this is the most effective language to

plant seeds/help foster learning: it can tend to create

the " genius/idiot " syndrome - where one group are the geniuses and the

other treated as idiots, which I find isn't very helpful for either

group. Everyone can learn " something " from everyone else. (spoken from

someone who has *lots* of experience in speaking from a " genius "

perspective, and has been kicked about....lol!)

 

I encourage all to be supportive, to use inclusive language, and to be

unusually " gentle " in how we communicate with each other. We're all on

a path, have all chosen to make some significant departures from

mainstream thinking regarding nutrition and eating, and we could all

use support/companionship on the journey.

 

Learning how to communicate " facts/learnings " in a non-devisive way, I

find to be a useful tool. again, I recommend some of the earlier

Elchanan posts as excellent examples of how to do this.

 

> For example:

> We have found a diet consisting of steam vegetables and salad / Or

> even eating steamed quinoa/millet etc to be far more beneficial than

> eating nuts and fruits combined in a pie. A raw food recipe

> containing oils and spices etc..

 

yes, for example...both of these choices would be, imo, less than

optimal. Maybe the cooked grains wouild be slightly better than the

nuts/fruits, and both are sub-optimal choices imo. Now, how do/did I

decide that these are both suboptimal choices: based upon the

observations/thoughts/learnings of many Natural Hygienists who have

gone before me. Not all of my learning has to be experiential.

 

Which probably leads into another discussion about how people learn.

Maybe a separate post in a while. and maybe a better post on Natural

Hygiene Laws.

 

have a great day! Aren't you in the UK, Kay? has it stopped raining

yet??? remember my first visit there, where I ended up buying one of

those special oil-coated coats: thought I was going to be literally

chilled to the bone! lol!

 

all the best,

 

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

some things I have read....

 

he has some books for sale also very cheap... but this link goes to a list of

downloadables for free.. very good reading...

http://www.arnoldehret.org/healthclub/library.htm

 

this next one again is a free downloadable site... the whole site is

informative...

http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/0201hyglibcat.html

 

we3deeves wrote:

--> Another great post, Bob How about some book recommendations? I've

only got a few raw books, and they all seem to be not the Natural Hygiene

approach. books by Shazzie, Alissa Cohen & the Boutenkos.....So what would be,

IYO, the best book to get to become more educated about NH?

 

Thanks,

Denise