Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Now I've just read Bob's fasting advice. As general advice, fine. But the problem lies here: 7. I'd recommend limiting the actual fasting days to 5 - 7 max., leaving yourself plenty of time to break the fast correctly. The problem is that you would be trying to force your internal system to fit your external schedule. This just doesn't work, particularly with fasting. This is indeed one of the top 2 reasons why almost all fasts nowadays fail -- yet in the past most fasts were successful. Glenda, if you begin a fast, given the conditions you described, there is a reasonable chance you will experience considerable vaginal discharge. This is great, your body cleaning house. However, if you attempt to interrupt this process before it is complete, your body will not respond well at all. Indeed, you CAN force the fast to a halt, but then you will shock your system and, in all likelihood, leave your reproductive system and perhaps other internal parts in VERY raw shape (truly no pun intended this time). When you fast, you place your faith, your trust, in your body's innate intelligence. When your body " gets " that your conscious mind is doing this, your body takes it at face value and cleanses with all its available resources. If the cleansing symptom I describe above does occur -- and there is no way to know beforehand -- and if you break the fast prematurely, then you may experience literally weeks of discomfort, low energy, etc. as your body attempts to normalize itself. To be fair, it is possible that none of what I describe will happen. But it HAS happened to others, and there is no benefit to exposing yourself to that level of risk. More important, you have a real opportunity to learn to trust your system, by creating health the slow, permanent way, one day at a time. The discharge will still occur, but more likely concentrated around your periods for a few months until all is released. And then you'll be finished. And during this time, you can marvel at your system's wondrous self-healing capabilities, you can really internalize all that and become, well, healthy!!! Best to all, Elchanan -- ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ rawfood , rawjourney , rawschool . For your security, vlinfo digitally signed this message on 07 June 2005 at 06:51:39 UTC. Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSwgcmF3am91cm5leUB5Y Whvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20sIHJhd3NjaG9vbEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20AdmxpbmZvQGVhcn RobGluay5uZXQAZW1haWwgYm9keQDbBgAAfAB8AAAAAQAAAPtDpULbBgAAgwMAAgACAAI AIFnfo1l3yJx72snhmViu3oGsSMfw7POYoNAuxM0NRYOYAQCGBKQTk27PO85EmR4UiL81 VcH0YIbVdV9oyP7I8ZnRfXbRloyqAuLmqxpcZNmLwUOSVG4yL1Yx3PhqeBQMHn5SaIGIU 2lnRW5k --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Thanks, Elchanan... for the clarification and additional insight. I knew that cutting it short was not ideal - I was concentrating too much on the time available, and not enough on the possible adverse effects, or the risk. Look forward to your future thoughts on fasting. I recommend going with, and following, Elchanan's advice. all the best, Bob ps Elchanan has *much* more experience with fasting than me. I'd sent private emails to both Elchanan thanking him for his clarification, and pointing out additional risks; I've also sent one to Glenda with similar thoughts... rawfood , " INFO @ Vibrant Life " <VLinfo@e...> wrote: > Now I've just read Bob's fasting advice. As general advice, fine. But the > problem lies here: > > 7. I'd recommend limiting the actual fasting days to 5 - 7 max., > leaving yourself plenty of time to break the fast correctly. > > The problem is that you would be trying to force your internal system to fit > your external schedule. This just doesn't work, particularly with fasting. > This is indeed one of the top 2 reasons why almost all fasts nowadays fail > -- yet in the past most fasts were successful. > > Glenda, if you begin a fast, given the conditions you described, there is a > reasonable chance you will experience considerable vaginal discharge. This > is great, your body cleaning house. However, if you attempt to interrupt > this process before it is complete, your body will not respond well at all. > Indeed, you CAN force the fast to a halt, but then you will shock your > system and, in all likelihood, leave your reproductive system and perhaps > other internal parts in VERY raw shape (truly no pun intended this time). > > When you fast, you place your faith, your trust, in your body's innate > intelligence. When your body " gets " that your conscious mind is doing this, > your body takes it at face value and cleanses with all its available > resources. If the cleansing symptom I describe above does occur -- and there > is no way to know beforehand -- and if you break the fast prematurely, then > you may experience literally weeks of discomfort, low energy, etc. as your > body attempts to normalize itself. > > To be fair, it is possible that none of what I describe will happen. But it > HAS happened to others, and there is no benefit to exposing yourself to that > level of risk. More important, you have a real opportunity to learn to trust > your system, by creating health the slow, permanent way, one day at a time. > The discharge will still occur, but more likely concentrated around your > periods for a few months until all is released. And then you'll be finished. > > And during this time, you can marvel at your system's wondrous self- healing > capabilities, you can really internalize all that and become, well, > healthy!!! > > Best to all, > Elchanan > > > > > > -- > ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ----------------------- - > rawfood , rawjourney , > rawschool > For your security, vlinfo@e... > digitally signed this message on 07 June 2005 at 06:51:39 UTC. > Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. > ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------ - > Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSwgcmF3am91cm5leUB5Y > Whvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20sIHJhd3NjaG9vbEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20AdmxpbmZvQGVhcn > RobGluay5uZXQAZW1haWwgYm9keQDbBgAAfAB8AAAAAQAAAPtDpULbBgAAgwMAAgACAAI > AIFnfo1l3yJx72snhmViu3oGsSMfw7POYoNAuxM0NRYOYAQCGBKQTk27PO85EmR4UiL81 > VcH0YIbVdV9oyP7I8ZnRfXbRloyqAuLmqxpcZNmLwUOSVG4yL1Yx3PhqeBQMHn5SaIGIU > 2lnRW5k > --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] -------------------- - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Bob Farrell Tuesday, June 07, 2005 4:50 AM [Raw Food] Re: Fasting more Thanks, Elchanan...for the clarification and additional insight. I knew that cutting it short was not ideal - I was concentrating too much on the time available, and not enough on the possible adverse effects, or the risk. Look forward to your future thoughts on fasting. I recommend going with, and following, Elchanan's advice. all the best, Bob ps Elchanan has *much* more experience with fasting than me. I'd sent private emails to both Elchanan thanking him for his clarification, and pointing out additional risks; I've also sent one to Glenda with similar thoughts... _____ Thanks Bob. As I wrote privately to you, your general advice on setting up for a short fast is fine where no challenging conditions are present, no meds are being used, and so forth. Even though all fasts are ideally allowed to run their full course, nevertheless, where no overt challenges are present, there is little risk in fitting a fast into one's schedule, other than the risk of incompletion and backsliding after the fast. Also, many people in this situation can fast, though not necessarily with optimal results, on their own and receiving little (phone) or no " supervision " or coaching or the like. Often, people experience a mixture of cleansing events and quiet during a fast. It is always advisable to break a fast during the quiet time, never when active cleansing symptoms are in progress. For this reason, it is always best to have some slack days in one's schedule, in case a few extra fasting days are needed. Otherwise, what typically happens is the faster extends the fast, then cuts short the refeeding/reentry timeframe. For many people, this is a setup for backsliding. As I wrote in a post earlier this morning, the first part of any fast is physical and mental preparation, which occurs before the fast begins. Because it is now June 7 and Glenda had intended to begin fasting on June 9, only minimal preparation time is available. I do not know her (you, Glenda, sorry to address you in the third person), but from scanning Glenda's writing, it seems that a longer preparation period is constructive. As Nora observed, Glenda, you appear to face emotional challenges from your past that relate to food. If we do not deal with those reasonably effectively before you fast, then there is almost 100% certainty they will recur following any fast, and much of the benefit of the fast would then be lost. But by far the larger loss, if you are like most people I have known, is the damage to your self-confidence -- one more " failure, " that sort of thing. And I would rather see you experience a smaller but steady string of successes than a big up-down, that would only trigger any binge-purge pattern your system already knows. And finally, because of all this, in my own personal opinion, Glenda, it is best for you to do at least your first fast working in person with someone, not just over the phone. Well, enough from me for now. Best to all, Elchanan -- ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ rawfood , rawschool . For your security, vlinfo digitally signed this message on 07 June 2005 at 13:01:14 UTC. Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSwgcmF3c2Nob29sQHlha G9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbQB2bGluZm9AZWFydGhsaW5rLm5ldABlbWFpbCBib2R5AN4JAAB8AH wAAAABAAAAmpqlQt4JAAB/AwACAAIAAgAgWd+jWXfInHvayeGZWK7egaxIx/Ds85ig0C7 EzQ1Fg5gBAIYEpBOTbs87zkSZHhSIvzVVwfRghtV1X2jI/sjxmdF9WDLBcKpMt8xd9vru kibO+2rBs4UAuv0xZo7odIpjm9h0U2lnRW5k --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 Just putting in my two cents worth here. I fasted for 21 days with Joel Furhman supervising. He said that most of the really good healing took place in the third week, not the first two. Lane Now I've just read Bob's fasting advice. As general advice, fine. But the problem lies here: 7. I'd recommend limiting the actual fasting days to 5 - 7 max., leaving yourself plenty of time to break the fast correctly. The problem is that you would be trying to force your internal system to fit your external schedule. This just doesn't work, particularly with fasting. This is indeed one of the top 2 reasons why almost all fasts nowadays fail -- yet in the past most fasts were successful. Glenda, if you begin a fast, given the conditions you described, there is a reasonable chance you will experience considerable vaginal discharge. This is great, your body cleaning house. However, if you attempt to interrupt this process before it is complete, your body will not respond well at all. Indeed, you CAN force the fast to a halt, but then you will shock your system and, in all likelihood, leave your reproductive system and perhaps other internal parts in VERY raw shape (truly no pun intended this time). When you fast, you place your faith, your trust, in your body's innate intelligence. When your body " gets " that your conscious mind is doing this, your body takes it at face value and cleanses with all its available resources. If the cleansing symptom I describe above does occur -- and there is no way to know beforehand -- and if you break the fast prematurely, then you may experience literally weeks of discomfort, low energy, etc. as your body attempts to normalize itself. To be fair, it is possible that none of what I describe will happen. But it HAS happened to others, and there is no benefit to exposing yourself to that level of risk. More important, you have a real opportunity to learn to trust your system, by creating health the slow, permanent way, one day at a time. The discharge will still occur, but more likely concentrated around your periods for a few months until all is released. And then you'll be finished. And during this time, you can marvel at your system's wondrous self-healing capabilities, you can really internalize all that and become, well, healthy!!! Best to all, Elchanan -- ------------------------ [ SECURITY NOTICE ] ------------------------ rawfood , rawjourney , rawschool . For your security, vlinfo digitally signed this message on 07 June 2005 at 06:51:39 UTC. Verify this digital signature at http://www.ciphire.com/verify. ------------------- [ CIPHIRE DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] ------------------- Q2lwaGlyZSBTaWcuAVdyYXdmb29kQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSwgcmF3am91cm5leUB5Y Whvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20sIHJhd3NjaG9vbEB5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20AdmxpbmZvQGVhcn RobGluay5uZXQAZW1haWwgYm9keQDbBgAAfAB8AAAAAQAAAPtDpULbBgAAgwMAAgACAAI AIFnfo1l3yJx72snhmViu3oGsSMfw7POYoNAuxM0NRYOYAQCGBKQTk27PO85EmR4UiL81 VcH0YIbVdV9oyP7I8ZnRfXbRloyqAuLmqxpcZNmLwUOSVG4yL1Yx3PhqeBQMHn5SaIGIU 2lnRW5k --------------------- [ END DIGITAL SIGNATURE ] --------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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