Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 In spite of its unexplainable (to me, anyway) popularity, I strongly encourage everyone not to eat psyllium seeds. What happens on the blender when you don't clean it quickly also happens in a glass filled with water, and in a matter of seconds. It becomes so thick you cannot stir it. And the same happens in our gut, clog city, roto-router time! Best, Elchanan Elchanan: While I have great respect for your knowledge and your generous sharing of your time and wisdom Elchanan I wonder if the direct path is the best for all of us. My personal path has been slow (15 years) reducing fat content of my diet to mostly vegetarian to 10% fat mostly vegetarian to vegan to rawfoods vegan to refinements of raw foods ( reducing or eliminating spices, salt, dehydrated foods etc.). Backsliding is inevitable for some and I cringe when I hear about people going from mono eating to McDonald's chemical soup and back again. Perhaps the benefits of making such a large forward step outweigh the damage of the backsliding so far back. My knowledge of the many pathways in the cells of the body tells me that slow transitions is better for some. As yes the body can deal with different enviroments but it takes adjusting - creating more of one enzyme and less of another to deal with a different diet. I use nature's changing of the seasons for my model -- we do not go smoothly from winter to summer and back again but shuttle back and forth The average temperatures of each month increase from winter to summer but week to week we go back an forth in spring between winter, spring and even summer weather as we transition to summer. So yes transitional " foods " such as psyllium may not be any more food then the 40 chemicals in McDonalds " artificial strawberry flavor " yet they may be more helpful on many levels then your data indicates. I grow narrow leafed plantain in my garden and the seeds are psyllium. Narrow leafed plantain is considered a weed in most of the country but permaculture calls it a dynamic accumulator (minerals) and uses it as a soil improver. Namaste Bill One truth many paths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Hi Bill! not Elchanan here, and I'd like to offer a couple of comments: I'm a firm believer in " informed " choices. We, obviously, are all free to choose any path that we'd like. What's important to me, is to have some understanding of what the " truth " is - I liked your " one truth, many paths " thought. In order make an " informed " choice about which path to take, it helps me to know more about what's on that path. If, in this case, the path with psyllium, and it's normally the " husks " that are the key ingredient in these concoctions (many of which I've used), leads to a " clogged " gut, then I'd like to know that, and be informed about that, before I choose that path. The fact that the ingestion of such a substance as psyllium husks creates the " appearance " of cleaning out the colon, I'd also like to know about the Law of Dual Effect (previous posts re: this topic...), so that I know that what is happening is that the body has to work very hard, possibly cause enervation, to remove this foreign substance, and yes, in the process a bunch of " stuff " comes out...I may " feel " (the symptom) a little better for a while, and I'd personally like to know that I'm trading some short-term symptomatic relief for longer term health. I don't see psyllium husks any different from aspirin, or NSAIDS, or garlic - they are all targeted at relieving " symptoms " . What I've found personally more helpful is to really begin to understand that treating " symptoms " , by whatever means, is not a path to health at all: it's a continuation of abdication of personal accountability for my choices around lifestyle. It's very circuitous at best, and probably counter-productive. The fact that some (many?) people find it " easier " to wander around on different paths, doesn't change the fact that there IS a more direct path. I personally like the advantage of having a " coach " to point out what may lie on the path that I'm choosing, and also to point out when I'm not on the " direct " path. I see this very differently from 2 New Yorkers debating whether to take the bridge or the tunnel: I see this as being about regaining our Health. I have to constantly remind myself that what we consider " normal " uses a pathological database: we live in one of the sickest industralized nations in the world, where rampant disease killing millions a year is considered normal, and where iatrogenic deaths are in the top 5 causes, and we pay to have mis-diagnoses and treatments kill us. Bill, again I agree that there are multiple paths: *AND* I vote for continuing to share knowledge/learnings/data so that we may all make informed choices. And, at a very fundamental level, I say " yes, the direct route *IS* the best route for all of us. all the best, Bob rawfood , wMilmoe@a... wrote: > In spite of its unexplainable (to me, anyway) popularity, I strongly > encourage everyone not to eat psyllium seeds. What happens on the blender > when you don't clean it quickly also happens in a glass filled with water, > and in a matter of seconds. It becomes so thick you cannot stir it. And the > same happens in our gut, clog city, roto-router time! > > Best, > Elchanan > > Elchanan: > > While I have great respect for your knowledge and your generous sharing of > your time and wisdom Elchanan I wonder if the direct path is the best for all of > us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Hi Bill & Elchanan, Whereas, I agree Bill, that we will all take the path we feel is best for us, being the individuals that we are, so the many paths, in my experience the sooner we stop doing those things which are harmful to us the better off we will be, and the sooner we will benefit. Further, in my experience again, if we are willing to, and do not fear the consequences, for the fear itself may, and can well do, kill us, then we may go " cold turkey " , as the saying goes, and stop any form of medication, drug therapy, smoking, social drugs, alcohol etc., with very few problems. It is important though that we have every confidence in ourselves to be able to do so. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl wMilmoe wrote: > In spite of its unexplainable (to me, anyway) popularity, I strongly > encourage everyone not to eat psyllium seeds. What happens on the blender > when you don't clean it quickly also happens in a glass filled with water, > and in a matter of seconds. It becomes so thick you cannot stir it. > And the > same happens in our gut, clog city, roto-router time! > > Best, > Elchanan > > Elchanan: > > While I have great respect for your knowledge and your generous > sharing of > your time and wisdom Elchanan I wonder if the direct path is the best > for all of > us. > > My personal path has been slow (15 years) reducing fat content of my > diet to > mostly vegetarian to 10% fat mostly vegetarian to vegan to rawfoods > vegan to > refinements of raw foods ( reducing or eliminating spices, salt, > dehydrated > foods etc.). Backsliding is inevitable for some and I cringe when I > hear about > people going from mono eating to McDonald's chemical soup and back again. > Perhaps the benefits of making such a large forward step outweigh the > damage of the > backsliding so far back. > > My knowledge of the many pathways in the cells of the body tells me > that slow > transitions is better for some. As yes the body can deal with different > enviroments but it takes adjusting - creating more of one enzyme and > less of > another to deal with a different diet. I use nature's changing of the > seasons for > my model -- we do not go smoothly from winter to summer and back again > but > shuttle back and forth The average temperatures of each month increase > from > winter to summer but week to week we go back an forth in spring > between winter, > spring and even summer weather as we transition to summer. > > So yes transitional " foods " such as psyllium may not be any more food > then > the 40 chemicals in McDonalds " artificial strawberry flavor " yet they > may be > more helpful on many levels then your data indicates. I grow narrow > leafed > plantain in my garden and the seeds are psyllium. Narrow leafed > plantain is > considered a weed in most of the country but permaculture calls it a > dynamic > accumulator (minerals) and uses it as a soil improver. > > Namaste > > Bill > One truth many paths > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 Hi Bob & Elchanan, In my experience over fourty odd years with assisting clients with chronic constipation, colitis, etc., I have as yet to be faced with the situation where the problem cannot be overcome b y the adoption of a raw food diet along with the adoption of a natural lifestyle, including exercise,sulight,fresh air, meditation, etc. Not once have I found it necessary to resort to the use of agents such as psyllium seeds etc. John John L. Fielder Osteopath & Lifestyle Consultant Academy of Natural Living www.iig.com.au/anl Bob Farrell wrote: > Hi Bill! > > not Elchanan here, and I'd like to offer a couple of comments: > > I'm a firm believer in " informed " choices. We, obviously, are all > free to choose any path that we'd like. What's important to me, is > to have some understanding of what the " truth " is - I liked your " one > truth, many paths " thought. > > In order make an " informed " choice about which path to take, it helps > me to know more about what's on that path. If, in this case, the > path with psyllium, and it's normally the " husks " that are the key > ingredient in these concoctions (many of which I've used), leads to > a " clogged " gut, then I'd like to know that, and be informed about > that, before I choose that path. The fact that the ingestion of such > a substance as psyllium husks creates the " appearance " of cleaning > out the colon, I'd also like to know about the Law of Dual Effect > (previous posts re: this topic...), so that I know that what is > happening is that the body has to work very hard, possibly cause > enervation, to remove this foreign substance, and yes, in the process > a bunch of " stuff " comes out...I may " feel " (the symptom) a little > better for a while, and I'd personally like to know that I'm trading > some short-term symptomatic relief for longer term health. I don't > see psyllium husks any different from aspirin, or NSAIDS, or garlic - > they are all targeted at relieving " symptoms " . > > What I've found personally more helpful is to really begin to > understand that treating " symptoms " , by whatever means, is not a > path to health at all: it's a continuation of abdication of personal > accountability for my choices around lifestyle. It's very circuitous > at best, and probably counter-productive. The fact that some (many?) > people find it " easier " to wander around on different paths, doesn't > change the fact that there IS a more direct path. I personally like > the advantage of having a " coach " to point out what may lie on the > path that I'm choosing, and also to point out when I'm not on > the " direct " path. I see this very differently from 2 New Yorkers > debating whether to take the bridge or the tunnel: I see this as > being about regaining our Health. > > I have to constantly remind myself that what we consider " normal " > uses a pathological database: we live in one of the sickest > industralized nations in the world, where rampant disease killing > millions a year is considered normal, and where iatrogenic deaths are > in the top 5 causes, and we pay to have mis-diagnoses and treatments > kill us. > > Bill, again I agree that there are multiple paths: *AND* I vote for > continuing to share knowledge/learnings/data so that we may all make > informed choices. > > And, at a very fundamental level, I say " yes, the direct route *IS* > the best route for all of us. > > > all the best, > > Bob > > > > > rawfood , wMilmoe@a... wrote: > > In spite of its unexplainable (to me, anyway) popularity, I strongly > > encourage everyone not to eat psyllium seeds. What happens on the > blender > > when you don't clean it quickly also happens in a glass filled with > water, > > and in a matter of seconds. It becomes so thick you cannot stir it. > And the > > same happens in our gut, clog city, roto-router time! > > > > Best, > > Elchanan > > > > Elchanan: > > > > While I have great respect for your knowledge and your generous > sharing of > > your time and wisdom Elchanan I wonder if the direct path is the > best for all of > > us. > > > > > ------ > ** -- -- Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release 24/06/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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