Rethinking & Clarifying the B12 Issue (Dr. Vivian V. Vetrano) + Souces of Dietary Variety

[Guest guest]

Hi Nan,

 

You're most welcome! Please do be aware that this article was written awhile

ago. Since posting it, I've received a couple of inquiries about B12

supplements that may not contain cyanide. I have not followed up on these,

but anything is possible, and it can certainly be said that some have tried

to improve the quality of B12 supplements in particular. Also, please note

the negative impact of B12 ANALOGS ... substances that look like B12 to our

receptors, then take up those receptor locations, and inhibit/block us from

absorbing the real thing. This is particularly a problem with some of the

seafoods that are popular among some RFs and others.

 

More important, from my perspective, is why you (or your ND) believes you

need B12 supplementation to begin with. Are you experiencing some B12-like

symptoms? In general, if you do experience early-stages of some B12 problem,

taking a liquid supplement sublingually for a week or two should produce a

noticeable difference for you. Of this does not occur, then it is extremely

likely that there was no problem to begin with.

 

B12 issues are still quite uncommon and, in general, are just as common

among SAD-eaters as among RFs and other groups. And as with any digestive

problem, this is best addressed by improving the overall quality of one's

diet.

 

One thing not mentioned in Dr. Vetrano's article involves concerns about

soil depletion and the effect upon our food supply. This concern is quite

real and has been well-documented since at least the 1930s, probably even

longer.

 

When we choose to build our program around a base of fruits ... foods grown

on long-lived trees and vines ... we choose to eat from plants whose soil is

not plowed up once or twice each year, and therefore from plants growing in

soil that MAY sustain mycorrhizal fungus and other organisms that build

soil. Fertilization ONLY feeds the present generation of plants (at best);

in contrast, composting and other acts that build the base of organisms

living in soil actually build the soil for the long term ... this is

Nature's way. I love to buy fruits grown by farmers who tell me that they

add nothing at all to the soil (or nearly so) ... if the fruits look and

taste good, that's a great sign of health, from my perspective!!

 

Also, as I've written awhile back, we can buy all our foods, both fruits and

greens (and whatever else) from different sources ... different fields,

different farmers, etc. By changing not only the foods and the varieties (as

from red to green to butter lettuce) AND changing the soil/location in which

these are grown ... sometimes even by only a couple hundred yards ... we

enrich our own food supply. Why? Because of the influence of microgeographic

areas and microclimates ... soils, weather, and other growing conditions may

vary surprisingly over a very small geographical area.

 

Hope these comments are helpful,

Elchanan

 

PS: I do wish to acknowledge that B12 and folic acid are indeed crucial

micronutrients. This is becoming even more clear through some fairly recent

research in the emerging field of epigenetics. Perhaps fodder for some

future post.

_____

 

Nan Coursey [nannettesea3]

Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:51 AM

 

Re: REPOST [PathOfHealth #2949]: Rethinking &

Clarifying the B12 Issue (Dr. Vivian V. Vetrano)

 

 

Hi-

I find this article alarming, and intend to show it to my ND. I had been

pleased to discover B-12/folate/complex in liquid form, and taking

injections. They initially help my neuropathy and mood. Now I have to

rethink it. The cyanide issue...yikes.

Thanks to Elchanan--again.

Nan

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, Elchanan-

I sent you a personal message the other day, also.

 

Unfortunately I'm taking the cyanocobalamin

supplement. Though I'm not sure if trace amounts of

cyanide are any worse than the medications I've been

taking! That's another story....

 

Appreciate all of information. I'm wondering about

your background to know all this stuff! The path to

achieve health can be a long road.

 

Thanks much,

Nan

--- Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

 

> Hi Nan,

>

> You're most welcome! Please do be aware that this

> article was written awhile

> ago. Since posting it, I've received a couple of

> inquiries about B12

> supplements that may not contain cyanide. I have not

> followed up on these,

> but anything is possible, and it can certainly be

> said that some have tried

> to improve the quality of B12 supplements in

> particular. Also, please note

> the negative impact of B12 ANALOGS ... substances

> that look like B12 to our

> receptors, then take up those receptor locations,

> and inhibit/block us from

> absorbing the real thing. This is particularly a

> problem with some of the

> seafoods that are popular among some RFs and others.

>

>

> More important, from my perspective, is why you (or

> your ND) believes you

> need B12 supplementation to begin with. Are you

> experiencing some B12-like

> symptoms? In general, if you do experience

> early-stages of some B12 problem,

> taking a liquid supplement sublingually for a week

> or two should produce a

> noticeable difference for you. Of this does not

> occur, then it is extremely

> likely that there was no problem to begin with.

>

> B12 issues are still quite uncommon and, in general,

> are just as common

> among SAD-eaters as among RFs and other groups. And

> as with any digestive

> problem, this is best addressed by improving the

> overall quality of one's

> diet.

>

> One thing not mentioned in Dr. Vetrano's article

> involves concerns about

> soil depletion and the effect upon our food supply.

> This concern is quite

> real and has been well-documented since at least the

> 1930s, probably even

> longer.

>

> When we choose to build our program around a base of

> fruits ... foods grown

> on long-lived trees and vines ... we choose to eat

> from plants whose soil is

> not plowed up once or twice each year, and therefore

> from plants growing in

> soil that MAY sustain mycorrhizal fungus and other

> organisms that build

> soil. Fertilization ONLY feeds the present

> generation of plants (at best);

> in contrast, composting and other acts that build

> the base of organisms

> living in soil actually build the soil for the long

> term ... this is

> Nature's way. I love to buy fruits grown by farmers

> who tell me that they

> add nothing at all to the soil (or nearly so) ... if

> the fruits look and

> taste good, that's a great sign of health, from my

> perspective!!

>

> Also, as I've written awhile back, we can buy all

> our foods, both fruits and

> greens (and whatever else) from different sources

> ... different fields,

> different farmers, etc. By changing not only the

> foods and the varieties (as

> from red to green to butter lettuce) AND changing

> the soil/location in which

> these are grown ... sometimes even by only a couple

> hundred yards ... we

> enrich our own food supply. Why? Because of the

> influence of microgeographic

> areas and microclimates ... soils, weather, and

> other growing conditions may

> vary surprisingly over a very small geographical

> area.

>

> Hope these comments are helpful,

> Elchanan

>

> PS: I do wish to acknowledge that B12 and folic acid

> are indeed crucial

> micronutrients. This is becoming even more clear

> through some fairly recent

> research in the emerging field of epigenetics.

> Perhaps fodder for some

> future post.

> _____

>

> Nan Coursey [nannettesea3]

> Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:51 AM

>

> Re: REPOST [PathOfHealth

> #2949]: Rethinking &

> Clarifying the B12 Issue (Dr. Vivian V. Vetrano)

>

>

> Hi-

> I find this article alarming, and intend to show it

> to my ND. I had been

> pleased to discover B-12/folate/complex in liquid

> form, and taking

> injections. They initially help my neuropathy and

> mood. Now I have to

> rethink it. The cyanide issue...yikes.

> Thanks to Elchanan--again.

> Nan

>

>

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