Honey

[Guest guest]

Hi Shari,

Some vegetarians eat honey, but vegans do not. Honey is considered an

animal by-product, like milk and eggs. Some people believe that it is

cruel to smoke bees out of their hive in order to harvest the honey.

Karen

[Guest guest]

> i wa wondering if most vegetarians eat honey. i wasnt sure since it

> is made by animals and not from animals.

 

Some do, some don't. It isn't incorrect to call oneself an vegetarian and still

eat

honey, however - just as 'vegetarians' sometimes eat eggs and dairy. Vegans

of course not only avoid eggs and dairy in their diets but also honey because

of the danger to the bees.

 

But if you don't care to use honey, you can always substitute something really

yummy like, er, maple syrup - the real thing, not just the flavoured stuff ;=)

 

Best,

 

Pat ;=)

[Guest guest]

Dorith -

 

Yes, it's true about the bees:( I expressed this unhappy fact to a

lacto-ovo friend of mine, and he explained that it's part of how Honey

Farmers keep their hive populations down to a manageable number. He

says that honey bee colonies would otherwise grow too large and split

(hive-off) to form a new colony, which would in turn hurt the bee

farmer's productivity. The bees are smoked out of the hive so the

Honey can be harvested, and within that harvesting process, many larvae

are also killed. Honey is the bee's larvae food source. When Honey is

harvested, much of their food supply is taken from them.

 

Honestly, I prefer molasses;)

 

Debra

 

 

 

Debra Lee Thompson

 

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First Horizon Home Loans Corporation

 

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dcwithlove [dcwithlove] On Behalf

Of Dorith

Monday, November 29, 2004 10:41 AM

Honey

 

 

Hello all,

 

I just read Jamie's answer that bees are killed to get the

honey. That truly shocked me as we use honey. Is that really true that

they are killed? I am quite upset now.

 

We are vegetarians who do eat eggs and milk products and as just

mentioned, honey too. To be more exact, our daughter and youngest son

and I myself can eat meat outside of the home. I seldom do. Our son is

in the army, so I guess he can eat meat every day and what our daughter

(student) eats outside of the house, I really never ask.

 

I want to tell Amy and Jiraph that kosher is not a problem for

us. I come from a non-kosher home, although my late dad came from a very

religious family. And as far as I know, here at least those rabbi's and

supervisors get a lot of money for their certification and checking,

much too much for the little work they have to do. To tell you the

truth, I find it disgusting. Of course, rabbi's have to earn a living,

but then they should do some real work. Maybe in the States it is

different.

 

BTW Amy, our daughter is called Hadas. And what did you mean:

Any good from scratch recipes out there? What are scratch recipes? I am

sorry, but my English is not that good.

 

And Jiraph, thanks for posting the article about casein.

 

Now I will read the rest of the mail. This is an active group!

 

Wishing you all a happy day ~ Dorith (Israel)

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I know a bee keeper who sells fresh honey at our outdoor

farmers market. Most of what u find there are organic herbs,

fruits, and vegetables since the " back to nature " movement came

here in the late 60s from SF and surrounding areas. I know that

honey is popular but it bothered me that beekeepers usually

replace the honey pilfered with white sugar which can't be the

best for the bees. I say " do your best and bless the rest " but like

rice syrup, barley malt, black strap molasses, maple, and raw

sugar over honey. Since maple entails bleeding trees, I think it

important to be aware of the processes involved in our

consumerism. Education and awareness is important to affect

changes the industrial complex. I am pleased to see the health

food industry grow in the United States since our food is often

overprocessed and tainted with a long list of chemicals. I wish

we had purity laws like Germany.

I have been practicing " neo-macrobiotics " for 20 years and

raised my sons as vegetarian. Besides problems in the dairy

industry and not needing it for survival, I also avoid dairy products

too and use egg replacer to keep my cholestrol level even.

 

David Star PS. i comoderate /Worldvegs

which features lots of helpful websites under links and files.

 

 

 

" Thompson, Debra lee " <Debrathompson@f...> wrote:

> Dorith -

 

> Honey can be harvested, and within that harvesting process,

many larvae

> are also killed.

> Debra

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:41 PM 11/29/2004 +0200, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>

>I just read Jamie's answer that bees are killed to get the honey. That

>truly shocked me as we use honey. Is that really true that they are

>killed? I am quite upset now.

 

I duno. I've always heard from beekeepers that they keep the same bees for

years (they hibernate in winter...not the apiologist, the bees.). The

smoke does make them settle down or move out for a few minutes, but I did

not hear that it kills them, though bugs being so tiny...accidents can

happen. Like when I carry spiders outside, sometimes a leg gets stuck under

the edge of the cup.

 

Veronica

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bees are not killed to get honey. Just like Veronica said, they are

made sleepy and less likely to be agitated by the beekeeper messing

around with the honeycombs, that's all. And maybe there are

occasional accidents with " overdoses " of the smoke, but I'm sure

they are few and far between. No one and nothing down here is

perfect, right?

 

-Josie

 

, Diamond Dog

<diamonddog@g...> wrote:

> At 06:41 PM 11/29/2004 +0200, you wrote:

> >Hello all,

> >

> >I just read Jamie's answer that bees are killed to get the honey.

That

> >truly shocked me as we use honey. Is that really true that they

are

> >killed? I am quite upset now.

>

> I duno. I've always heard from beekeepers that they keep the same

bees for

> years (they hibernate in winter...not the apiologist, the

bees.). The

> smoke does make them settle down or move out for a few minutes,

but I did

> not hear that it kills them, though bugs being so tiny...accidents

can

> happen. Like when I carry spiders outside, sometimes a leg gets

stuck under

> the edge of the cup.

>

> Veronica

[Guest guest]

For those interested in veganism and the Honey process you might find these of

interest,

 

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/animals/exploitation/bees.php

 

http://www.ivu.org/faq/food.html

 

 

 

 

Pete...

http://www.primalvision.net

 

" There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening, that is translated

through you into action, and because there is only one of you in all time, this

expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any

other medium and will be lost " - Martha Graham

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

thanks pete! Like most everyone, I only know what I've been told so it was nice

to see some sites on it from different sources.

 

jamie

 

Pete <nakeddragon wrote:

For those interested in veganism and the Honey process you might find these of

interest,

 

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/animals/exploitation/bees.php

 

http://www.ivu.org/faq/food.html

 

 

 

 

Pete...

http://www.primalvision.net

 

" There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening, that is translated

through you into action, and because there is only one of you in all time, this

expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any

other medium and will be lost " - Martha Graham

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In Wikipedia it states that " honey frequently contains dormant endospores of the

bacteria Clostridium botulinum, which can be dangerous to infants as the

endospores can transform into toxin-producing bacteria in the infant's immature

intestinal tract, leading to illness and even death. "

 

They also say that certified organic honey is hard to find and that they use

chemicals to remove the honey from the hive:

" Certified Organic Honey, according to the USDA, organic honey is quite rare to

find due to the fact that most beekeepers " routinely use sulfa compounds and

antibiotics to control bee diseases, carbolic acid to remove honey from the hive

and calcium cyanide to kill colonies before extracting the honey, not to mention

that conventional honeybees gather nectar from plants that have been sprayed

with pesticides. "

 

David Wolfe says that Raw Honey as well as Bee Pollen are 2 of the best things

to consume. But if there are toxins and chemicals used to produce honey and bee

pollen, wouldn't it not be worth the health benefits?

 

Any thoughts on Raw honey and Bee Pollen?

 

Thanks,

Andrea

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

See below.

 

, Andrea Olson

<wholebodyharmony wrote:

>

> Any thoughts on Raw honey and Bee Pollen?

>

> " Certified Organic Honey, according to the USDA, organic honey is

quite rare to find due to the fact that most beekeepers " routinely use

sulfa compounds and antibiotics to control bee diseases, carbolic acid

to remove honey from the hive and calcium cyanide to kill colonies

before extracting the honey, not to mention that conventional honeybees

gather nectar from plants that have been sprayed with pesticides. "

> Thanks,

> Andrea

>

Well, it's no wonder that there is Colony Collapse Disrder. The best

thing to do, if you are going to buy raw honey and bee pollen is to look

at the company's website and talk to those in the business who know

how it is collected. My stepmother was told in the 1970's by someone

in the industry that most bee pollen is heated to harden it. They said

that they froze their bee pollen instead. (I believe the company is CC

Pollen--see http://www.ccpollen.com/ccbestpol.shtml for a similar

assertion.) Bee pollen also naturally occurs in unfiltered honey and

honeycomb.

 

Ron