Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Hello, I was asking around at my local grocers: Whole Foods, TJ's, Uwajimayas, PCC, etc, and I realized that there are NO mangos in the US that are grown in the US and the rest are imported and APHIS treated Here is an excerpt from the International Symposium on Mangos. (Hot water treatment (46.1°C for 65, 75 or 90 minutes, depending on fruit weight) has been used in Mexico and other mango growing regions as an insect quarantine treatment for the last 8 years. This study was conducted to evaluate the effect of this treatment on the ripening and quality of mango fruit. Fruit of the cultivar `Keitt' were treated in hot water at 46°C for 0, 60 and 90 minutes, and evaluated after 7, 14 and 21 days storage at 10°C, and subsequently after one week at 20°C. Respiration rate, texture losses, polygalacturonase activity, and carotene content increased, while the pectin methylb esterase and lipoxygenase activities decreased. Water loss increased during storage and was highest as the treatment duration increased. However, fruit did not present any shriveling nor any injury due to the treatment, and decay was reduced. We conclude that hot water treatment increased the v elocity of ripening but did not cause injuries in `Keitt' mangoes.) http://www.actahort.org/books/509/509_58.htm There is the link from which I copied the information. HEre is another link listing the countries and fruit from which they come and whether they are hot water treated or fumigated. It doesn't list the Indian mangos, which are irradiated. I was wondering does anyone have a source from Mangos that isnt' cooked? Thanks, Monica PS 46.1 C is about 115 F. So, the fruit sits in 115 F water for 65- 90 minutes depending on its weight. So, technically, speaking they are cooked. Also, Ataulfo's are imported from Mexico and India, so even if they aren't labelled they are Aphis treated or irradiated, as noted by the charts on the links. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Monica, Not to defend these practices, of course, but if 90 minutes at 115 degrees was all it took to cook a food, then all of the dehydrated food we raw fooders eat would be considered cooked, too. I don't have the info in my brain right now about what happens chemically to sugar molecules and other nutrients when they are cooked, but there is definitive criteria and that's what needs to be applied in order to speak technically. I also offer the following observations: Most tropical fruits that are imported do continue to ripen after processing, which would most definitely not happen if they were truly cooked. It's also possible that these procedures do interrupt the ripening process to degrees which vary from one individual fruit to another, although that also might be attributable to too-early harvesting. (Personally, I only buy mangoes that have color, fragrance and other indicators of ripeness or ripening potential.) Even with all the injury that our misguided food delivery system subjects tropical fruits to, they are still much healthier than many of the foods eaten alternatively by raw fooders who avoid tropical fruit for one reason or another. Of all the processes that are used to kill this or that fearsome microscopic beastie, hot water probably does the least damage and is far preferable over chemical alternatives. Best Regards, Nora www.RawSchool.com ---------- .. I was wondering does anyone have a source from Mangos that isnt' cooked? Thanks, Monica PS 46.1 C is about 115 F. So, the fruit sits in 115 F water for 65- 90 minutes depending on its weight. So, technically, speaking they are cooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Monica, You got some incorrect info from your grocers. Mangos are grown in Florida and are not, to my knowledge, irradiated or soaked in hot water. I am thinking of having some shipped to me this summer, and I will definitely inquire about any post-harvest treatment just to be sure. Here is one source I know of: HYPERLINK " http://www.robertishere.com/ " http://www.robertishere.com Looks like you forgot to include the second link you mentioned. Mark _____ On Behalf Of esmj_01 Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:44 AM Aphis treatment and Irradiation Hello, I was asking around at my local grocers: Whole Foods, TJ's, Uwajimayas, PCC, etc, and I realized that there are NO mangos in the US that are grown in the US and the rest are imported and APHIS treated .. HYPERLINK " http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=3344134/grpspId=1705129295/msgId =12304/stime=1209829448/nc1=5170410/nc2=3848643/nc3=4025291 " Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Mark, Robert Is Here has some good stuff. They are uncertified organic. I brought home some huge mameys from Florida four years ago. They were just like baked yams, only sweeter. I haven't mail-ordered from them. I'm afraid that the shipping might cost more than the fruits. Let me know how much you need to pay for shipping if you ordered. Helen mkhovila wrote: > Monica, > > You got some incorrect info from your grocers. Mangos are grown in Florida > and are not, to my knowledge, irradiated or soaked in hot water. I am > thinking of having some shipped to me this summer, and I will definitely > inquire about any post-harvest treatment just to be sure. Here is one > source > I know of: HYPERLINK > " http://www.robertishere.com/ > <http://www.robertishere.com/> " http://www.robertishere.com > <http://www.robertishere.com> > > Looks like you forgot to include the second link you mentioned. > > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Helen, Yes, I imagine shipping would be expensive. Maybe the cost can be brought down if a bunch of us order together. I had mamey sapotes in Costa Rica earlier this year. They were delicious, and cheap too. Mark _____ On Behalf Of Helen Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:37 PM Re: Aphis treatment and Irradiation Mark, Robert Is Here has some good stuff. They are uncertified organic. I brought home some huge mameys from Florida four years ago. They were just like baked yams, only sweeter. I haven't mail-ordered from them. I'm afraid that the shipping might cost more than the fruits. Let me know how much you need to pay for shipping if you ordered. Helen Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Mark, Here is the link I forgot to post. It has a list of common fruits, where they are from and if they are aphis treated. Monica http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps3025/exclude.html ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 No, she is correct, many mangos are shipped in and these are heat treated, at the very least. We simply do not grow enough mangos in the US (Florida, Hawai'i, and a few in southern California) to meet growing demand. Elchanan _____ On Behalf Of mkhovila Saturday, May 03, 2008 6:48 PM RE: Aphis treatment and Irradiation Monica, You got some incorrect info from your grocers. Mangos are grown in Florida and are not, to my knowledge, irradiated or soaked in hot water. I am thinking of having some shipped to me this summer, and I will definitely inquire about any post-harvest treatment just to be sure. Here is one source I know of: HYPERLINK " http://www.robertis <http://www.robertishere.com/> here.com/ " http://www.robertis <http://www.robertishere.com> here.com Looks like you forgot to include the second link you mentioned. Mark _____ @ <%40> [@ <%40> ] On Behalf Of esmj_01 Saturday, May 03, 2008 8:44 AM @ <%40> Aphis treatment and Irradiation Hello, I was asking around at my local grocers: Whole Foods, TJ's, Uwajimayas, PCC, etc, and I realized that there are NO mangos in the US that are grown in the US and the rest are imported and APHIS treated .. HYPERLINK " http://geo.. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=3344134/grpspId=1705129295/msgId > com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=3344134/grpspId=1705129295/msgId =12304/stime=1209829448/nc1=5170410/nc2=3848643/nc3=4025291 " Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Elchanan, Yes, of course. I was just pointing out that her information that NO mangos are grown in the U.S. is not correct. I did not realize that mangos are also grown in Southern California. If you know of some good sources there, let me know. Mark _____ On Behalf Of Elchanan Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:25 PM RE: Aphis treatment and Irradiation No, she is correct, many mangos are shipped in and these are heat treated, at the very least. We simply do not grow enough mangos in the US (Florida, Hawai'i, and a few in southern California) to meet growing demand. Elchanan Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release 5/7/2008 5:23 PM Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release 5/7/2008 5:23 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Sorry, I misread your intent. Will search ... I know of one source somewhere down there. (I'm up here, as it were, in northern California). Of course, you may be REALLY up there, in Washington. I'm babbling ... E _____ mkhovila [hovila] Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:20 PM RE: Aphis treatment and Irradiation Elchanan, Yes, of course. I was just pointing out that her information that NO mangos are grown in the U.S. is not correct. I did not realize that mangos are also grown in Southern California. If you know of some good sources there, let me know. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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