Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Lovingly, I know an amazing doctor who works at the Seattle Cancer Treatment and Wellness Center. He would NEVER tell a patient they are going to die. This underminds their ability to heal. He knows that it directly influences the outcome. He gives them hope . He sees that the patients with determination, hope and enthusiasm are the ones that do the best and/ or find the cure. All those who " give up " or have been told they are going to die (and believe or give in to that ) dont make it. With the right treatments there is even more hope. MDs can not tell the patient there are " alternatives " (even if they believe in them or not) to cut and burn, thier liscences to practice will be taken away by the AMA. They wont even opperate on you unless you sign and take chemo after. It comes down to greed, power and money. My mother was told she had one year to live, that is exactly how long she lived because that was what she knew. She trusted that Drs knew everything and did what they told her to do. That was her belief. I personally know people who have lived well beyond 25 years after a devastating diagnosis, because they already knew they had alternatives to alopathic modalities. THis initiative targets the poor, elderly and disabled. Choice for themselves " yes, people should have a choice in thier care ,to live and have all the options layed out for them. As for wanting to die, that will happen if you want it to and if it does not, than if you know you have options perhaps life would be better. I cant say for others but then I think it should be agaist the law for someone to say when you are going to die. My personal view, peace to all Catherine - CHERYL D JONES Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:05 PM Re: Life/Cheryl Again, Wow. Didn't mean to stomp on your religious/political ideals, Jim. I did indeed read the entire email you posted, otherwise I would not have responded. I am very much aware of the impact our lifestyle choices have. I do not think that making a choice to die indicates a lack of dignity or education. In fact, I don't think death is necessarily a bad thing. But, hey, that's just my opinion. Again, people should be free to make this ultimate decision for themselves. Peace on earth. - health<health < > Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:36 PM RE: Life/Cheryl NOT a politcal message at all! A life message! Choosing death when life is possible is NOT dignified at all! God allowed us all to have free will. However, if one leads a lifestyle (unknowingly that will lead to death) and then will have to make that choice, that is NOT freedom! 95%+ of health challenges are lifestyle choice diseases. Less than 5% of health challenges are " truly genetic. " I wonder IF you read the entire email? Clearly Cheryl you need to educate yourself on the profound impact our lifestyle choices have. They either allow us to thrive, or lead to our death! <%40> [ <%40>]On Behalf Of CHERYL D JONES Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:08 PM <%40> Re: Life Wow, I'm surprised this political message made it past the moderators. Death with dignity goes well beyond lifestyle choices. Jim, no offense intended, but individuals should be free to make this ultimate decision for themselves. Peace on earth. Cheryl - health<health%40casaleconsulting.com><health@\ casaleconsulting.com<health%40casaleconsulting.com>> To: <%40><Raw\ Washington <%40>> Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:31 PM Life As most of us know, lifestyle choices are essential to health! So to vote to allow a person to kill themselves when a lifestyle change should be made is wrong! PLEASE VOTE NO on Initiative Measure No. 1000 (commonly know as I-1000 or " Death With Dignity " ) http://www.noassistedsuicide.com/news.html<http://www.noassistedsuicide.com/news\ ..html><http://www.noassistedsuicide.com/<http://www.noassistedsuicide.com/> news.html> Someone from Raw Washington should really be a spokeperson on this issue and seek out media outlets! I have significant media experience and would be happy to advise ONLY! The body has healed itself from over 170 different health challenges on the HA diet. www.hacres.com Everything from something as simple as acne to as serious as terminal stage 4 cancers after every orthodox treatment (chemo, surgery, radiation, etc) has been tried and failed! Spread the word! Feel free to forward this email. This email was composed by Jim Casale. To contact: Email - health<health%40casaleconsulting.com><health%\ 40casaleconsulting.com> Vmail (206) 559-6247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Until you have gone through an entire summer watching a person suffer, greatly, do not judge those who believe in this initiative. We just went through a summer such as this with my mother in law. She had a muscle degenerative disease and had lived with it for almost 30 years. We talked for hours about diet and lifestyle change, to no avail. Many years ago we (husband & I) were told in these exact words by my father in law " stop talking about changing our food, it upsets your mother. Do not bring up the subject ever again. " There you have it. She was an upbeat, positive woman but ate from a can. She lived far beyond the expectations of the medical community, but the end was gruesome and prolonged. She truly had no dignity whatsoever left at the end. They had tubes in and out of her in so many places they had started cutting her to add more. There were fluids backing up out of those tubes at the end and it was horrific for us as well as her. She begged to die, she begged us she begged God. And that was a good month before she actually passed. You cannot sit in judgement until you have sat at the bedside of a person with blood, bile, and excrement backing out of the orifices of their body unable to speak but crying and wanting out of this world. Just because she chose a different lifestyle than mine she is banned from leaving this world for the next plane? What about Viktoras Kulvinskas' wife? She passed from breast cancer and you can't tell me she didn't choose an alternative " healthy " lifestyle?! This is a moronic discussion about something so personal you cannot put it into words. If and when I want to die I know just how to do it and who to talk to about helping me with our without your " permission " . Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Shari, I don't agree that it's a moronic discussion. I had a similar experience with my own mother, who ended up in one of those nursing homes for people with dementia, and came to a very sad, slow end. I would have dearly loved to try to help her heal naturally, but I was shut out of the process. Because I believe in personal liberty, I think people should have the right to end their life, if they so choose. But it is truly moronic and insane that so many people don't realize that their condition may be totally curable. This is the first detail I have heard about the cause of Youkta's death. Did you read about it somewhere on the web? Thanks. Mark _____ On Behalf Of SV Friday, October 31, 2008 4:01 AM Re: OT.Re: Life/Cheryl Until you have gone through an entire summer watching a person suffer, greatly, do not judge those who believe in this initiative. We just went through a summer such as this with my mother in law. She had a muscle degenerative disease and had lived with it for almost 30 years. We talked for hours about diet and lifestyle change, to no avail. Many years ago we (husband & I) were told in these exact words by my father in law " stop talking about changing our food, it upsets your mother. Do not bring up the subject ever again. " There you have it. She was an upbeat, positive woman but ate from a can. She lived far beyond the expectations of the medical community, but the end was gruesome and prolonged. She truly had no dignity whatsoever left at the end. They had tubes in and out of her in so many places they had started cutting her to add more. There were fluids backing up out of those tubes at the end and it was horrific for us as well as her. She begged to die, she begged us she begged God. And that was a good month before she actually passed. You cannot sit in judgement until you have sat at the bedside of a person with blood, bile, and excrement backing out of the orifices of their body unable to speak but crying and wanting out of this world. Just because she chose a different lifestyle than mine she is banned from leaving this world for the next plane? What about Viktoras Kulvinskas' wife? She passed from breast cancer and you can't tell me she didn't choose an alternative " healthy " lifestyle?! This is a moronic discussion about something so personal you cannot put it into words. If and when I want to die I know just how to do it and who to talk to about helping me with our without your " permission " . Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Mark - I read it very soon after she died. Don't remember where, but it was one of the raw sites. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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