raw meat and cheese???

[Guest guest]

I have recently heard that there is a small sub-culture of raw foodists that eat

a small amount of raw fish or meat and raw cheese. People like Carol Alt and

others that follow a " Primal " diet are a few examples.

I don't eat meat for ethical reasons, but besides that, what do you all think of

this raw meat eating trend?

I read that a group of long time raw foodists that live on a few acres at a raw

retreat in Hawaii started having ill effects after being raw vegan for over 5

years (bad teeth, staph infections, etc.), However they claim that all of these

bad effects went away after adding a small amount of raw organic cheese and raw

fish.

 

What say you?

 

Cheers,

 

Christina

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Was that intentional or just bad timing?

 

A reminder, this is a vegan list and discussing meat and dairy are

inappropriate. I understand people trying to find the optimal diet and

ideal health. Many people have come to veganism because of improved

health.

 

For information on raw dairy or meat eating, consider looking for a

primal raw email list. If anyone knows of a good email list for

discussions of raw foods, including animal products, feel free to post

the link here for those who are interested.

 

Thank you,

 

Jeff

[Guest guest]

" For information on raw dairy or meat eating, consider looking for a

> primal raw email list. If anyone knows of a good email list for

> discussions of raw foods, including animal products, feel free to post

> the link here for those who are interested. "

>

 

Thanks, Jeff.

 

I didn't see the original post but I thought I'd let everyone know that this

topic is verboten on just about every raw foodist forum that I know of, with

the exception of the RawSchool . It is not discussed a lot as I

suspect most of the people there are vegan or vegetarian, but it is welcome

as a topic as long as nobody stretches the truth or violates other

guidelines of the list. I think it's unfortunate that there seems to be no

place where people can go for an honest and truthful discussion about raw

animal products. It seems like there are two kinds of forums -- vegan,

where mere curiosity about animal products can get a person banned, and the

" primal " lists where the healthfulness of raw animal products is exaggerated

and misrepresented.

 

Imo, the topic is worthy of discussion among health seekers. Because there

is little discussion about animal products on raw food forums, people get

the impression that they must go vegan before they can go raw. It's true

that most people do it that way, but there are no hard and fast rules about

how to transition if a person is just seeking improved health. For former

non-vegan SAD eaters, raw cheese or fish (or meat, if they have the stomach

for it) provide the same kind of transitional (emotional) benefits as nuts

and gourmet recipes and can be used as healthier replacements for cooked

foods.

 

The morality of food choices is individual. I don't want to exclude people

because they're not ready for veganism just yet, just like I wouldn't turn

anybody away who wasn't 100% raw. This is just the decision I've made for

my list. Other groups can establish whatever guidelines they wish. I just

want people to have correct information so they can make appropriate choices

for their health.

 

Best wishes,

Nora

www.RawSchool.com

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry? Was WHAT intentional?

(I don't understand what you are asking.)

 

I only asked this question because I have recently heard from several different

raw foods sources (Frederic Patenaude, Victoria Boutenka, Dr. Jameth Sheridan,

etc.) that often times people that have been long time raw fooders have problems

with their teeth.

 

Then a friend of mine that lives in Hawaii told me that some raw foodists that

she knows that lives there believe that occasionally eating raw milk/cheese or

raw fish might solve that problem.

 

So I asked a question.

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to in regards to " bad timing " . I asked a

question about raw foods. I'm sorry if I upset anyones vegan sensibilities, but

I do believe that I said in my post that I DO NOT EAT ANIMALS BECAUSE OF ETHICAL

REASONS.

 

It was just a question. One I'll not ask again.

 

You folks carry on with your political discussions.

 

Cheers,

 

 

Christina

 

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Jeff Rogers <jeff wrote:

Jeff Rogers <jeff

Re: raw meat and cheese???

 

Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:50 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Was that intentional or just bad timing?

 

 

 

A reminder, this is a vegan list and discussing meat and dairy are

 

inappropriate. I understand people trying to find the optimal diet and

 

ideal health. Many people have come to veganism because of improved

 

health.

 

 

 

For information on raw dairy or meat eating, consider looking for a

 

primal raw email list. If anyone knows of a good email list for

 

discussions of raw foods, including animal products, feel free to post

 

the link here for those who are interested.

 

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Christina,

 

Sorry Jeff, but for what it is worth I think Christina's question is fine and I

welcome it.

I hold Jameth Sheridan in high reguards and I would like to know where he talks

about meat etc.

 

beats the he---ck out of politics

 

Thank you

Catherine

 

 

----- Original Message ---

Christina Bertges

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:32 P???

 

 

I'm sorry? Was WHAT intentional?

(I don't understand what you are asking.)

 

I only asked this question because I have recently heard from several

different raw foods sources (Frederic Patenaude, Victoria Boutenka, Dr. Jameth

Sheridan, etc.) that often times people that have been long time raw fooders

have problems with their teeth.

 

Then a friend of mine that lives in Hawaii told me that some raw foodists that

she knows that lives there believe that occasionally eating raw milk/cheese or

raw fish might solve that problem.

 

So I asked a question.

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to in regards to " bad timing " . I asked a

question about raw foods. I'm sorry if I upset anyones vegan sensibilities, but

I do believe that I said in my post that I DO NOT EAT ANIMALS BECAUSE OF ETHICAL

REASONS.

 

It was just a question. One I'll not ask again.

 

You folks carry on with your political discussions.

 

Cheers,

 

Christina

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I am reading a book right now by Susan Schenck called " The Live Food Factor " . 

We used to attend the San Diego raw food potlucks together.  Nice gal ... anyway

.... She talks about bad teeth and gums sighting a few theories: 

 

..... that it's largely from eating too many sweet or acidic fruits and not

brushing your teeth after wards.

 

" .... most fruit does not contain enough minerals (a lot of raw foodists eat a

high percentage of fruit - especially in Hawaii where it would be plentiful!)

for the average person and the body has to compensate for the resulting  acidity

by leaching minerals from the teeth and bones.  Tooth sockets also appear to be

weekend on a high fruit diet, according to some anecdotal reports "

 

I haven't heard that not eating meat and animal products lead to tooth decay,

but rather lead to B12 deficiency.  Dr. Cousens says we can make our own B12 if

we have the proper balance of bacteria in our gut.  Others say we have to get it

through shots or sublingually.  And others turn to animals for it.  

 

 

The book is AWESOME by the way, I highly recommend it!  It's available on

Amazon.

 

best,

lala

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Christina,

Jeff was referring to his post about not going too political and staying on

raw/vegan topic. Then you sent your post with the question about raw milk and

meat it was wierd timing and I think he was just trying to keep it vegan raw

topics and was caught off guard by your question. I do not know any raw foodies

personally that eat meat or dairy. I am dairy intollerant and so are my kiddos

so we cant if we want to. I have heard this about bad teeth in the community as

well but have heard it is usually from too much fruit or too much drinking of

foods ( meaning too many green smoothies and not enough green salads) Chewing

leafy greens helps your teeth stay healthy.

 

Peace to all the election is over let our stress levels go down and Jeff I think

it should be ok to pose a question about differences in the raw community  in my

opinion

 

Namaste

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Paula,

 

I have also heard that you are not supposed to brush your teeth after eating

anything to acidic, that it will ruin the enamel. I wrinse with baking soda to

bring back ph. when i am able.

C

 

 

-

Paula Wood

Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:34 PM

Re: raw meat and cheese???

 

 

I am reading a book right now by Susan Schenck called " The Live Food Factor " .

We used to attend the San Diego raw food potlucks together. Nice gal ... anyway

.... She talks about bad teeth and gums sighting a few theories:

 

.... that it's largely from eating too many sweet or acidic fruits and not

brushing your teeth after wards.

 

" .... most fruit does not contain enough minerals (a lot of raw foodists eat a

high percentage of fruit - especially in Hawaii where it would be plentiful!)

for the average person and the body has to compensate for the resulting acidity

by leaching minerals from the teeth and bones. Tooth sockets also appear to be

weekend on a high fruit diet, according to some anecdotal reports "

 

I haven't heard that not eating meat and animal products lead to tooth decay,

but rather lead to B12 deficiency. Dr. Cousens says we can make our own B12 if

we have the proper balance of bacteria in our gut. Others say we have to get it

through shots or sublingually. And others turn to animals for it.

 

The book is AWESOME by the way, I highly recommend it! It's available on

Amazon.

 

best,

lala

 

[Guest guest]

Oh My!  Well, I guess there are many opinions out there!  Baking Soda sounds

like a good idea!

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Catherine Young <wildraven

 

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 11:24:12 PM

Re: raw meat and cheese???

 

 

Paula,

 

I have also heard that you are not supposed to brush your teeth after eating

anything to acidic, that it will ruin the enamel. I wrinse with baking soda to

bring back ph. when i am able.

C

 

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