Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 , " Janey " <janey@p...> wrote: > I've noticed there is B12 in the new Provamel Alpro fresh soya milk. Has anybody else tried this milk (sold in the refrigerators in supermarkets/shops)? It has a different taste but is very nice - also with added vitamins including important B12. Another easy source! > > Janey > x I quite like the taste - almost coconutty I thought, but I can't use it regularly because my Tesco only does sweetened and I can't bear sweet tea! Also the price is way ott. I'm waiting for Robert Cohen's soytoy to come on sale over here - it's supposed to be this autumn. Cheers Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 Hi Janey We use it now - it is lower in fat than the others. I like it - in tea, coffee, to drink and on cereals and for cooking. As you may have gathered - I like it :-) Jo I've noticed there is B12 in the new Provamel Alpro fresh soya milk. Has anybody else tried this milk (sold in the refrigerators in supermarkets/shops)? It has a different taste but is very nice - also with added vitamins including important B12. Another easy source! ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release 02/08/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Hi Diana; I just read that you've only been vegan for a few weeks... maybe you are experiencing a withdrawal reaction which will pass. > Now that you are eating vegan, are you taking B12? There's B12 in the multi-vitamin that I take everyday. But I need to change to a different one cos the one I take has lactose in it (theory as to why I feel sick after dairy products: mild lactose intolerance). I'm going to the doctor's to get allergy tested soon. In the meantime I'm quite happy eating vegan. I've actually never felt better. I'm sleeping better, I have better concentration and my mood is generally more constant (and better!) - mood is an important one for me 'cos I'm just finishing up treatment for moderate depression (thank God for St. John's Wort!). I also still eat honey, so.... technically I'm not completely vegan. And both of my parents are omnivores (my Dad's GF) and both are diabetic. Thanks for the concern Deborah. Nice to hear from such caring people who have advice and show genuine conern. Diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Not to throw a wrench in works or anything, but aren't most multivitamins basing their B12 on animal sources, or do you have a multi that is vegan? BL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 , " Keith & Brenda-Lee Olson " <kolson99@u...> wrote: > Not to throw a wrench in works or anything, but aren't most multivitamins basing their B12 on animal sources, or do you have a multi that is vegan? > > BL Hi, Yes, I know practically all vit. B12 supplements are animal-based and I'm pretty sure the ones I take are too. But I have a week's worth of them left so I figured to finish the ones I have and then source something else (I have issues with the lactose in them too). Good for bringing it up though BL. Does anybody use Nutritional Yeast instead of a supplement in tablet/pill form? Any ideas on tempeh / miso as well - I can find many different sources claiming either high in active B12 or virtually no useful B12. Look what I've started - sorry. Diana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 ---------- > " Keith & Brenda-Lee Olson " <kolson99 > >Re: Re: B12 >Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 1:27 AM > > Not to throw a wrench in works or anything, but aren't most multivitamins > basing their B12 on animal sources, or do you have a multi that is vegan? there are synthetic b12 supplements. some sources say these aren't as readily metabolized, but by taking 1000mcg/day for a couple months, i was able to elevate my blood levels dramatically (i was deficient). ygg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 Keith & Brenda-Lee Olson >Not to throw a wrench in works or anything, but aren't most multivitamins basing their B12 on >animal sources, or do you have a multi that is vegan? I take B12 as a single supplement, NOT in a multi. I take 1000 micrograms sublingual " dot " every other day. It is a bacterial product grown in lab conditions on grasses. As far as I know, all B12 supplements are based on bacterial products like this. It is my understanding that dessicated liver was the original B12 supplement, but if the supplement is made from that, it SAYS that on the label... not B12. Dessicated liver IS a source of B12, but it is also a source of a lot of other stuff, so it can't be called " B12 " per se. Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2002 Report Share Posted October 17, 2002 snoopybaloopy > Does anybody use Nutritional Yeast instead of a supplement in >tablet/pill form? Any ideas on tempeh / miso as well - I can find >many different sources claiming either high in active B12 or >virtually no useful B12. Look what I've started - sorry. Hi Diana; Nutritional yeast is only a source of B12 *IF* it has B12 added to it supplementally by the producer. It's the same thing as if you take a pill crushed up into the yeast by someone else... and only certain yeasts are supplemented. Unless it says it on the label, it hasn't been added. It's the same thing with any plant food like soy milk, etc. The type B12 that has been measured in tempeh, miso etc., tend to be largely the wrong type... an inactive form (an analog) which can actually cause B12 deficiency. If the analog is consumed in large quantity, it can take up residence on our B12 receptors, and prevent the right type from being absorbed. I've done some calling around about B12 supplements, and from what I've heard, all B12 supplements that say " B12 " (as opposed to dessicated liver) are the " right " kind of B12 from a bacterial product grown on grasses. This is MUCH cheaper than trying to extract active B12 from animal flesh in the lab, so it makes sense to the producers to use this method! :-0 Of course, there may be unacceptable ingredients of various types in a tablet OTHER than B12... so label-reading is always a good idea. Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Re: Re: B12 > Not to throw a wrench in works or anything, but aren't most multivitamins basing their B12 on animal sources, or do you have a multi that is vegan? > BL I don't know about multi-vitamins and vegan B-12, but my question is how valuable is that B-12 anyway? It is my understanding that Vitamin B-12 that goes directly into the stomach isn't of that much benefit and that sublinqal B-12 is much more absorbable/usable by the body. I've used several vegan brands; readily available at most HFS. LaDonna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Tea Cozy >I don't know about multi-vitamins and vegan B-12, but my question is how >valuable is that B-12 anyway? It is my understanding that Vitamin B-12 that >goes directly into the stomach isn't of that much benefit and that sublinqal >B-12 is much more absorbable/usable by the body. I've used several vegan >brands; readily available at most HFS. Hi LaDonna; In general, a majority of people can benefit from oral B12 (maybe 60 to 70% of people). Even those with certain absorption problems can benefit from it too, as long as the dose is big enough (minimum of 200 micrograms per day). And yes, sublingual IS much more reliable in all cases. More detail: If a person lacks the Intrinsic Factor secreted in response to stomach acid, they CAN still absorb B12 passively, as long as the dose is big enough. In theory, without Intrinsic Factor, one percent of ingested B12 can still be absorbed passively. Therefore, assuming we need to absorb about 1 microgram of B12 per day, a person lacking Intrinsic Factor needs to ingest about 100 micrograms. Studies done on people without Intrinsic Factor, indicate that a minimum of 200 micrograms per day is necessary to get a good response in the blood. This is why sublinguals are commonly found in 200, 500 and 1000 microgram units and considered completely safe in those sizes. There are many other possible problems that can limit absorption though, in addition to lack of Intrinsic Factor, which can exist without the person knowing about them. So overall, a sublingual supplement that is absorbed directly into the capillaries of the mouth, is the more reliable method of delivery and more user-friendly than injections. Deborah Pageau B.Sc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 So is the B12 added to nutritional yeast usually animal based too? Thanks, Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 I don't believe so, Tracy. Let's hope not! Does anyone know? LaDonna - Re: Re: B12 > So is the B12 added to nutritional yeast usually animal based too? > > Thanks, > Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 faytk >So is the B12 added to nutritional yeast usually animal based too? No. Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 B12 is abundant in milk and eggs. You don't actually have to eat meat. But, it's up to you:) Warmly, Allison --- Ron McClure <rlmftw wrote: > I'm " practically vegan " because each month I eat > 3ozs > skinless chicken breast, 8ozs nonfat skim milk, 8ozs > nonfat yogurt and 3ozs turkey. I usually eat these > things one per week, during a given month, using > them > as a condiment with a vegan meal. I do this for > many > practical reasons, one being that the requirement > for > B12 is very small and can be completely satisfied > with > this small amount of animal protein, which I prefer > to > taking pills. Pills are not a reliable source of > anything but chemicals brewed up in some lab. We > don't know that the body can actually use them. > Most > of them are worse than taking nothing. > > Ron McClure > > --- " whisperwind5 <whisperwind5 " > <whisperwind5 wrote: > > I worked in an OB/gyn office for over a year and > > they did not > > prescribe prenatal vitamins to even the pregnant > > women unless they > > had a vitamin deficiency. They claimed that a > good > > multi-vitamin was > > all that you needed. I think we also have to be > > careful of > > overdosing ourselves with vitamins because that > can > > have the reverse > > effect that we are looking for. Too much calcium > in > > no good for the > > body...try replacing what you don't get enough of > > and not adding to > > what you are already getting. I know that vegs > > should probably take > > a B12 and a certain amino acid is missing that > only > > comes from > > meat...anyone have any help with this?--- > > > > In , Allison > > Nations > > <allyanne2001> wrote: > > > I think every woman should take prenatal > > > vitamins...Whether they're parenting or > not....It > > is a > > > good combination of vitamins designed for women. > > > I > > > also take vitamin E, a B complex and vitamin C > > (1000 > > > units) daily. I have a great diet and get my > > vitamins > > > through food, but some days I don't eat right, > or > > not > > > enough and feel that it's good to supplement > just > > in > > > case. > > > Warmly, > > > Allison > > > > > > > > > --- " > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus. > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 ****Ron wrote.... >>...I eat 3ozs skinless chicken breast, 8ozs nonfat skim milk, 8ozs nonfat yogurt and 3ozs turkey...using them as a condiment with a vegan meal...<< That's a very interesting expansion of the word " condiment. " How does salt, pepper, mayo, mustard, relish, and catsup fit into that meaning? Vegan, huh? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 I was a little confused by vegan as well. (?) -allison --- daveo <daveo wrote: > ****Ron wrote.... > >>...I eat 3ozs skinless chicken breast, 8ozs > nonfat skim milk, 8ozs nonfat yogurt and 3ozs > turkey...using them as a condiment with a > vegan meal...<< > > That's a very interesting expansion of the word > " condiment. " How does salt, > pepper, mayo, mustard, relish, and catsup fit into > that meaning? > > Vegan, huh? > > Dave > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 >****Ron wrote.... >>>...I eat 3ozs skinless chicken breast, 8ozs >nonfat skim milk, 8ozs nonfat yogurt and 3ozs >turkey...using them as a condiment with a >vegan meal...<< > >That's a very interesting expansion of the word " condiment. " How does salt, >pepper, mayo, mustard, relish, and catsup fit into that meaning? > >Vegan, huh? > >Dave I'm not a vegan, but I think I'd rather eat a cheap, synthetic Wal-mart B12 than turkey or chicken breast. Just my humble opinion though. Susan (crush up the B12 and sprinkle it on salad . . . now *that's* a condiment!) -- --------- Please visit my website: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan Also, check out an excerpt of " Jubilee, " which will be published in the next few months: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan/writing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 I've seen a number of responses where members don't seem to know what being " Vegan " means, so I'll make a feeble attempt to clarify. Vegans are much stricter in their diet choices than most veggies, and they would **never** consider the combination that Ron refers to as vegan condiments. Personally, I agree with Susan when faced with such a choice. Dave Susan Cogan [susan-brassfield] Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:30 AM RE: B12 >****Ron wrote.... >>>...I eat 3ozs skinless chicken breast, 8ozs >nonfat skim milk, 8ozs nonfat yogurt and 3ozs >turkey...using them as a condiment with a >vegan meal...<< > >That's a very interesting expansion of the word " condiment. " How does >salt, pepper, mayo, mustard, relish, and catsup fit into that meaning? > >Vegan, huh? > >Dave I'm not a vegan, but I think I'd rather eat a cheap, synthetic Wal-mart B12 than turkey or chicken breast. Just my humble opinion though. Susan (crush up the B12 and sprinkle it on salad . . . now *that's* a condiment!) -- --------- Please visit my website: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan Also, check out an excerpt of " Jubilee, " which will be published in the next few months: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan/writing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 , " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: > I've seen a number of responses where members don't seem to know what being > " Vegan " means, so I'll make a feeble attempt to clarify. > > Vegans are much stricter in their diet choices than most veggies, and they > would **never** consider the combination that Ron refers to as vegan > condiments. Personally, I agree with Susan when faced with such a choice. > > Dave > Just to stick my oar in, i agree with both of you (susan and dave). Although i'm not a vegan i would much rather eat vitamins than face the prospect of eating meat. I hope we don't have too many peopel on the list who were offended by Ron's opinion. Please stay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 I think that Ron meant that other than the 3 oz of chicken, etc, he is a vegan. the meat and milk wasn't vegan, the rest of his meal was. If you are eating...I don't know potatoes, and you put salt on them, the salt is your condiment. If you were eating a salad, and mixed in turkey, wouldnt the turkey become a condiment? I don't know the exact definition of the word, but I think it makes sense in that context. I don't think we should jump on his back about it, he's making an effort and mostly avoiding meat, which is more than I can say for most americans. ~Sara Vegans are much stricter in their diet choices than most veggies, and they would **never** consider the combination that Ron refers to as vegan condiments. Entertainment-World/ TRL-artists-picsNfun/ TheWB-Chat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 I agree, because I did just start taking vitamins. I became vegetarian because it grossed me out to eat living things. Since then, I've learned much more about why i should be a vegetarian. I think it's sick that people can be so cruel! And for what? money? ick! However, I am surrounded by people who eat meat at almost every meal. So, no, Ron's eating habits didn't offend me in the least. ~Sara Just to stick my oar in, i agree with both of you (susan and dave). Although i'm not a vegan i would much rather eat vitamins than face the prospect of eating meat. I hope we don't have too many peopel on the list who were offended by Ron's opinion. Please stay! Entertainment-World/ TRL-artists-picsNfun/ TheWB-Chat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 Actually I think it would ba called a turkey salad... That's what high priced resturants call them at least If you were eating a salad, and mixed in turkey, wouldnt the turkey become a condiment? Vegans are much stricter in their diet choices than most veggies, and they would **never** consider the combination that Ron refers to as vegan condiments. Entertainment-World/ TRL-artists-picsNfun/ TheWB-Chat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 I couldn't agree more ;=) best, pat Megan Milligan wrote: > just my own opinion, but vegetarian/vegan is just that, no meat > products whatsoever in the diet. Megan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 just my own opinion, but vegetarian/vegan is just that, no meat products whatsoever in the diet. Megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 *****Megan wrote... >>...vegetarian/vegan is just that, no meat products whatsoever in the diet. << I agree. Since this is a veggie group and I'm veggie for many years, I'm not interested in helping someone who's not committed to being a veggie decide if 3 oz of animal flesh is going to be helpful in their diet. If Ron had asked about non-meat alternatives, then we have a much different situation. However, that was not his approach. By the way, Ron, in spite of all my comments, I hope you remain in the group. You have much to offer. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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