New Raw Food Bars at Trader Joe's ... Ingredients that MAY not be raw

[Guest guest]

In the ingredient list Judy provides below, at a minimum, the following

ingredients are likely not raw:

 

1. Agave nectar, probably pasteurized, almost never raw (regardless of

claims to the contrary).

 

2. Rice protein, probably heat processed, definitely pulverized (causes

heating that may be overlooked) and subjected to some sort of separation

process.

 

3/4. The two concentrates, both likely to have been pasteurized and then

frozen.

 

However, the operative word in my statement is " likely " . And we should keep

in mind that PURE is probably purchasing all these ingredients from other

parties, they may not have known all the " right " questions to ask. A phone

call by someone sufficiently knowledgeable to comprehend the nuances of such

a conversation would obviously be more definitive.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

LA [LA]

Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:50 PM

 

You're right. I guess the Canola oil could be cold pressed but Apple Juice

concentrate and Lemon Juice concentrate? Not raw.

Lorri

_____

 

Judy Pokras [vegwriter]

Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:39 PM

 

Re: New Raw Food Bars at Trader Joe's

 

 

I just looked at the ingredients for one of the Pure Bars, according to

their website:

 

*INGREDIENTS:*

Organic Dates, Organic Wild Blueberries, (with Organic Apple Juice

Concentrate and Organic Canola Oil), Organic Cashews, Organic Agave Nectar,

Organic Walnuts, Organic Brown Rice Protein, Organic Almonds, Organic

Unsweetened Lemon Juice Concentrate

 

This doesn't look 100 percent raw to me. Apple juice concentrate? Canola

oil? etc.

 

Judy Pokras

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I sure wish there was a raw labeling law and a budget to enforce

it. But that will take decades.

Meanwhile, I want to say that canola oil is not a good oil to consume, even

if it were first cold pressed extra virgin. No need to add it to such a

bar.

 

Judy Pokras

Editor/founder

www.rawfoodsnewsmagazine.com

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

 

> In the ingredient list Judy provides below, at a minimum, the following

> ingredients are likely not raw:

>

> 1. Agave nectar, probably pasteurized, almost never raw (regardless of

> claims to the contrary).

>

> 2. Rice protein, probably heat processed, definitely pulverized (causes

> heating that may be overlooked) and subjected to some sort of separation

> process.

>

> 3/4. The two concentrates, both likely to have been pasteurized and then

> frozen.

>

> However, the operative word in my statement is " likely " . And we should keep

> in mind that PURE is probably purchasing all these ingredients from other

> parties, they may not have known all the " right " questions to ask. A phone

> call by someone sufficiently knowledgeable to comprehend the nuances of

> such

> a conversation would obviously be more definitive.

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> LA [LA <LA%40Aileach.net>]

> Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:50 PM

>

> You're right. I guess the Canola oil could be cold pressed but Apple Juice

> concentrate and Lemon Juice concentrate? Not raw.

> Lorri

> _____

>

> Judy Pokras [vegwriter <vegwriter%40gmail.com>]

> Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:39 PM

> <%40>

> Re: New Raw Food Bars at Trader Joe's

>

> I just looked at the ingredients for one of the Pure Bars, according to

> their website:

>

> *INGREDIENTS:*

> Organic Dates, Organic Wild Blueberries, (with Organic Apple Juice

> Concentrate and Organic Canola Oil), Organic Cashews, Organic Agave Nectar,

> Organic Walnuts, Organic Brown Rice Protein, Organic Almonds, Organic

> Unsweetened Lemon Juice Concentrate

>

> This doesn't look 100 percent raw to me. Apple juice concentrate? Canola

> oil? etc.

>

> Judy Pokras

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Judy Pokras <vegwriter wrote:

> Thanks. I sure wish there was a raw labeling law and a budget to enforce

> it. But that will take decades.

> Meanwhile, I want to say that canola oil is not a good oil to consume, even

> if it were first cold pressed extra virgin. No need to add it to such a

> bar.

 

We don't need a law, just create an associationcompany/whatever

to audit them. We don't need to rely on government to police our food

(which it has done a miserably inept job doing--and remember, they're

who made some raw food hard to get), we can do it ourselves.

 

People donate/pay, companies pay for certification... people vote on

which products they want tested... etc.

[Guest guest]

Joel, I've had an idea to form such an association for years.

I just need help in the business end of it.

 

Judy Pokras

vegwriter

 

http://Green-Advertising.blogspot.com

Specializing in promoting raw vegan

and other green businesses.

 

Editor/founder/publisher

Raw Foods News Magazine

www.rawfoodsnewsmagazine.com

An online magazine celebrating raw vegan cuisine since March 2001, and

featuring authoritative info, breaking news, and fun interactive features on

the raw vegan lifestyle. Have you signed up for our free e-newsletter?

 

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 6:47 PM, <joel wrote:

 

> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Judy Pokras

<vegwriter<vegwriter%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> > Thanks. I sure wish there was a raw labeling law and a budget to enforce

> > it. But that will take decades.

> > Meanwhile, I want to say that canola oil is not a good oil to consume,

> even

> > if it were first cold pressed extra virgin. No need to add it to such a

> > bar.

>

> We don't need a law, just create an associationcompany/whatever

> to audit them. We don't need to rely on government to police our food

> (which it has done a miserably inept job doing--and remember, they're

> who made some raw food hard to get), we can do it ourselves.

>

> People donate/pay, companies pay for certification... people vote on

> which products they want tested... etc.

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'd be interested in hearing why canola oil isn't

good to consume, can you expound?

 

Lorri

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf

Of Judy Pokras

Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:35 PM

 

Re: New Raw Food Bars at

Trader Joe's ... Ingredients that MAY not be raw

 

Thanks. I sure wish there was a raw labeling law

and a budget to enforce

it. But that will take decades.

Meanwhile, I want to say that canola oil is not a

good oil to consume, even

if it were first cold pressed extra virgin. No

need to add it to such a

bar.

 

Judy Pokras

Editor/founder

www.rawfoodsnewsmagazine.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Thanks. I sure wish there was a raw labeling law and a budget to

> enforce

> it. But that will take decades.

 

In the mean time, someone could contact the company and ask for

clarification. If definitely not raw, then we can request they correct

their labeling, informing them of exactly what " raw " means. Would

someone care to follow up with customer service?

 

Jeff

 

Customer Service

888-568-PURE

rmartin

 

Pure of Holland

301 Douglas Avenue

Holland, MI 49424

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorri,

 

According to Sally Fallon's book, Nourishing Traditions, Canola oil " has a high

sulphur content and goes rancid easily. Baked goods made with canola oil develop

mold very quickly. During the deodorizing process, the omega-3 fatty acids of

processed canola oil are transformed into trans fatty acids, similar to those in

margarine and possibly more dangerous. ... studies indicate that canola oil

creates a deficiency of Vitamin E and causes heart lesions. " pages 19 and 20.

 

This book contains great information. I'm enjoying reading it and highly

recommend it!

 

Peace on earth.

 

Cheryl

 

 

 

-

LA<LA

< >

Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:12 PM

RE: New Raw Food Bars at Trader Joe's ... Ingredients

that MAY not be raw

 

 

I'd be interested in hearing why canola oil isn't

good to consume, can you expound?

 

Lorri

 

_____

 

< >

On Behalf

Of Judy Pokras

Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:35 PM

< >

Re: New Raw Food Bars at

Trader Joe's ... Ingredients that MAY not be raw

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Cheryl!

 

Judy

 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:03 AM, CHERYL D JONES <cctux wrote:

 

> Hi Lorri,

>

> According to Sally Fallon's book, Nourishing Traditions, Canola oil " has a

> high sulphur content and goes rancid easily. Baked goods made with canola

> oil develop mold very quickly. During the deodorizing process, the omega-3

> fatty acids of processed canola oil are transformed into trans fatty acids,

> similar to those in margarine and possibly more dangerous. ... studies

> indicate that canola oil creates a deficiency of Vitamin E and causes heart

> lesions. " pages 19 and 20.

>

> This book contains great information. I'm enjoying reading it and highly

> recommend it!

>

> Peace on earth.

>

> Cheryl

>

>

> -

> LA<LA <LA%40Aileach.net>>

> <%40>

> < <%40>>

> Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:12 PM

> RE: New Raw Food Bars at Trader Joe's ...

> Ingredients that MAY not be raw

>

> I'd be interested in hearing why canola oil isn't

> good to consume, can you expound?

>

> Lorri

>

> _____

>

> <%40>

> < <%40>>

> [ <%40>

> < <%40>>]

> On Behalf

> Of Judy Pokras

> Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:35 PM

> <%40>

> < <%40>>

> Re: New Raw Food Bars at

> Trader Joe's ... Ingredients that MAY not be raw

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

 

What kind of help do you need? If you need any funding, Mike Adams, the Health

Ranger guy, has a foundation that funds, or awards, small amounts to support

healthy nutrition projects. He may actually have good info for you to get

started. If you pursue this, keep us informed! It seems like there would be many

organizations or companies that might benefit from such an association and

provide support.

 

Peace on earth.

 

Cheryl

 

 

 

-

Judy Pokras<vegwriter

< >

Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:50 PM

Re: New Raw Food Bars at Trader Joe's ... Ingredients

that MAY not be raw

 

 

Joel, I've had an idea to form such an association for years.

I just need help in the business end of it.

 

Judy Pokras

vegwriter<vegwriter

 

 

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl,

 

I'm good with thinking up ideas and doing anything creative, and with

journalism, but when it comes to number crunching and budgets and hiring and

firing people, that's not my thing. I don't like the non-creative sides of

business, or the ones having to do with numbers.

 

Judy

 

 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:16 AM, CHERYL D JONES <cctux wrote:

 

> Hi Judy,

>

> What kind of help do you need? If you need any funding, Mike Adams, the

> Health Ranger guy, has a foundation that funds, or awards, small amounts to

> support healthy nutrition projects. He may actually have good info for you

> to get started. If you pursue this, keep us informed! It seems like there

> would be many organizations or companies that might benefit from such an

> association and provide support.

>

>

> Peace on earth.

>

> Cheryl

>

> -

> Judy Pokras<vegwriter <vegwriter%40gmail.com>>

> <%40>

> < <%40>>

> Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:50 PM

> Re: New Raw Food Bars at Trader Joe's ...

> Ingredients that MAY not be raw

>

> Joel, I've had an idea to form such an association for years.

> I just need help in the business end of it.

>

> Judy Pokras

> vegwriter

<vegwriter%40gmail.com><vegwriter<vegwriter%40gmail.com>

> >

>

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Almost all of Sally Fallon's (and her co-hort, Mary Enig's) research has

been shown to be scientifically weak, and they have few followers among

solid researchers.

These two have spread more disinformation and flat-out lies than

information. There is a wealth of research on canola oil showing it to

be safe and in fact a good oil, but Sally and Mary have chosen a few

studies of questionable scientific basis and run with them for their own

self-serving interests. (Those interests include consuming animals and

animal products, and slandering healthy vegan diets, including raw.)

They base their work on the suppositions and musings of a quack dentist

from 70 years ago....

Doh

 

 

 

According to Sally Fallon's book, Nourishing Traditions, Canola oil " has

a high sulphur content and goes rancid easily. Baked goods made with

canola oil develop mold very quickly. During the deodorizing process,

the omega-3 fatty acids of processed canola oil are transformed into

trans fatty acids, similar to those in margarine and possibly more

dangerous. ... studies indicate that canola oil creates a deficiency of

Vitamin E and causes heart lesions. " pages 19 and 20.

[Guest guest]

This article says canola oil is highly heat processed and processed in other

ways as well.

 

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/modules.php?name=News & file=article & sid=2570

 

Judy

 

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Sidecar Manager <

manager wrote:

 

> Almost all of Sally Fallon's (and her co-hort, Mary Enig's) research has

> been shown to be scientifically weak, and they have few followers among

> solid researchers.

> These two have spread more disinformation and flat-out lies than

> information. There is a wealth of research on canola oil showing it to

> be safe and in fact a good oil, but Sally and Mary have chosen a few

> studies of questionable scientific basis and run with them for their own

> self-serving interests. (Those interests include consuming animals and

> animal products, and slandering healthy vegan diets, including raw.)

> They base their work on the suppositions and musings of a quack dentist

> from 70 years ago....

> Doh

>

>

>

>

> According to Sally Fallon's book, Nourishing Traditions, Canola oil " has

> a high sulphur content and goes rancid easily. Baked goods made with

> canola oil develop mold very quickly. During the deodorizing process,

> the omega-3 fatty acids of processed canola oil are transformed into

> trans fatty acids, similar to those in margarine and possibly more

> dangerous. ... studies indicate that canola oil creates a deficiency of

> Vitamin E and causes heart lesions. " pages 19 and 20.

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 

 

> This article says canola oil is highly heat processed and processed in

other ways as well.

>

http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/modules.php?name=News & file=article & sid=

2570

 

 

Canola oil may or may not be approriate for a raw diet, although that

article without references would be hard for me to parse out

objectively. (I know it was an informational article for consumers, not

a research paper, where references would be expected.)

 

But canola oil specifically's healthfulness (or not) wasn't my point,

anyway. My point was that Fallon and Enig are not reliable sources of

nutrition information, and due to their sloppy, self-serving style of

research, I personally consider all of their information suspect.

 

I'd also guess that a lot of the info at that link came from Fallon and

Enig originally; it looks like their kind of work. Many people have

co-opted their articles, put their own name on them, and called it

theirs. Fallon and Enig are happy to have their articles co-opted and

do not require copyright or credit for the writing, so people can spread

it freely.

 

If you would like to see their orignal articles, so that you can

identify them when you come across them again, you can go to their site,

westonaprice.org Articles all over the web start to look eerily

familiar once you know where to find the source.

Doh