RE: Health and Fat-Emily & Mark

[Guest guest]

Greens are not a complete protein! One needs beans/legumes! They may be

soaked and then eaten raw.

 

It is not possible to often eat fruit ripened on the tree in the Northwest.

A 10% fat level long-term is not healthy or realistic. The natural/local

diet has to be considered and not just the theory of ANY human author. NO

one person has all the correct info. As Romans chapter 3 verse 23 states,

" All fall short of the glory of God. "

 

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On Behalf Of Mark Hovila

Monday, June 08, 2009 1:21 AM

 

RE: Re: Health and Fat

 

 

 

 

 

Emily,

 

If you were eating 3 big bunches of greens a day, you were probably getting

around 60 grams of protein from that alone. The USDA recommends 0.8 grams

of protein per kilogram of body weight. A 150 pound person would, according

to this guideline, need only 54 grams of protein daily. And let's not

forget that the USDA is basically owned by the meat and dairy industries, so

their recommendations are high.

 

And because your protein was raw, not cooked, it was 100% useable by the

body, unlike cooked protein, which I have read is only 50% useable or so. I

think this fact is mentioned in The Live Food Factor.

 

Nora's comments make a lot of sense to me.

 

Mark

 

Chiming in a bit, though I haven't been active lately.

 

I agree that a low-fat diet is essential. However, I followed 80/10/10 for a

few months and started to develop signs of protein deficiency, particularly

brittle nails and hair. I was eating about three bunches of greens a day

plus a tablespoon of vitamineral green in my smoothies. I've started to

drink hemp milk (with just a little raw cacao) without straining the pulp

after workouts and I've increased my vegetable intake as well. We shall see

what happens.

 

Before I went raw, I was following Dr. Joel Fuhrman's " Eat to Live " plan. He

advocates at least a 50% raw diet and really emphasizes in his book that we

need RAW fruits and vegetables to protect ourselves from diseases of

affluence (cancer!). The book is a really easy, valuable lesson in

nutrition, and also emphasizes a low, low, low fat diet; no more than once

ounce of walnuts a day or a tablespoon of flax a day, and all fat should be

heavy in omega-3's. I've started to re-read it due to these protein

deficiency issues. It's a great reminder!

 

-Emily

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm interested to hear more info on what you've said below.

thanks, kristi

 

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jim Casale-Health <

health wrote:

 

>

>

> Greens are not a complete protein! One needs beans/legumes! They may be

> soaked and then eaten raw.

>

> It is not possible to often eat fruit ripened on the tree in the Northwest.

> A 10% fat level long-term is not healthy or realistic. The natural/local

> diet has to be considered and not just the theory of ANY human author. NO

> one person has all the correct info. As Romans chapter 3 verse 23 states,

> " All fall short of the glory of God. "

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Jim Casale-Health wrote:

 

> One needs beans/legumes!

 

 

I think that's the first I've heard this theory (of course, my memory

does not retain everything). I'm curious what you base your theory on.

 

Regarding greens and protein, while every whole plant-based food may

contain protein, what is more important is the building blocks for

protein: amino acids. Fruits and other vegetables (including greens)

are loaded with amino acids, which our bodies use to build proteins.

Whole proteins must first be broken down into amino acids.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jim,

 

>Greens are not a complete protein!

 

False.

 

>One needs beans/legumes!

 

False.

 

>They may be

soaked and then eaten raw.

 

True.

 

>It is not possible to often eat fruit ripened on the tree in the Northwest.

 

False. I eat tree ripened apples off of a tree in my front yard, Lake

Forest Park, WA.

 

 

A 10% fat level long-term is not healthy or realistic.

 

False.

 

The natural/local diet has to be considered

 

You mean the Burger King diet?

 

and not just the theory of ANY human author. NO

one person has all the correct info.

 

True.

 

As Romans chapter 3 verse 23 states,

" All fall short of the glory of God. "

 

 

 

Too bad God was so skimpy on the details in Genesis 1:29. I guess that

means we have to figure it out ourselves.

 

Not bad, you got at least two correct. Keep trying! :-)

 

Mark

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a SAD diet, the idea is that beans and rice make a complete protein, (the

Mexicans have it right) !

 

So if you were to equal that theory/truth to the raw diet it seems to me you

would have to break down the rice and beans to what amino acids are in each the

rice and beans and their amounts....then do the same for the raw greens , fruit

, whatever , to make up the equivelent amino acid combination and amount.. (?)

anyone up for the challenge? or has it been done ? .

 

Catherine.

 

 

 

On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:24 AM, Jim Casale-Health wrote:

 

> One needs beans/legumes!

 

I think that's the first I've heard this theory (of course, my memory

does not retain everything). I'm curious what you base your theory on.

 

Regarding greens and protein, while every whole plant-based food may

contain protein, what is more important is the building blocks for

protein: amino acids. Fruits and other vegetables (including greens)

are loaded with amino acids, which our bodies use to build proteins.

Whole proteins must first be broken down into amino acids.

 

Jeff

 

[Guest guest]

The " old school " theory was that vegetarians had to combine certain

foods in a given meal, like beans and rice or whole wheat bread and

peanut butter, etc. Then it was realized that foods don't need to be

combined within a meal; a variety of foods can be consumed over time

and the intelligent body combines nutrients as necessary to build

tissues or carry on other tasks.

 

Of course, the body can't (IMO) survive effectively on just one food.

We need a variety of foods in our diets. I just hadn't heard the

theory that we must consume beans/legumes (to survive)! After over 8

years raw and only consuming beans/legumes on rare occasions, I'm

still alive and thriving. I was able to bike 400 miles+ last month

without a single bean! (Unless there was some in a restaurant dish I

ate.)

 

Jeff

 

On Jun 8, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Catherine wrote:

 

> In a SAD diet, the idea is that beans and rice make a complete

> protein, (the Mexicans have it right) !