Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Creatures Had Feelings 500 Million Years Ago Ignorant people think that animals don't have any feelings. Scientists who study the brain are surprised at how similar animals are to us. They not only act like they have feelings; their brains also contain the same mechanisms for feelings, intelligence, and consciousness that humans have. They have many of the same genes, neurotransmitters, and hormones which causes them to be so much like us. We ARE animals. Don't believe it? Let's look at what one of the world's foremost experts on brain evolution has to say. Here is an interesting quotation from NEUROPSYCHIATRY, NEUROPSYCHOLOGY, AND CLINICAL NEUROSCIENCE; EMOTION, EVOLUTION, COGNITION, LANGUAGE, MEMORY, BRAIN DAMAGE, AND ABNORMAL BEHAVIOR, by Rhawn Joseph, Director Brain Research Laboratory San Jose, California, Palo Alto and Menlo Park Veteran Affairs Medical Centers Palo Alto, California, Panel of Forensic Experts, Santa Clara County Superior Courts California. Baltimore, Williams and Wilkins, 1996. Page 9: " The initial olfactory, visual, motor neuronal network first developed by the coelenterates was repeated and elaborated upon over the ensuing 50 million years, only to diverge into two different patterns of central nervous system. " " Like those who had come before them, these primitive and ancient prevertebrate animals maintained specialized neuroganglia sensitive to tactile, visual, and chemical/pheromonal (olfactory) stimulation, as well as ganglia involved in tactile-motor functions. As such, the first rudimentary features of what would become the olfactory forebrain, the visual midbrain, and the motor (and tactile-sensory) brainstem were probably first established almost 600 million years ago. By the time the first vertebrates and armored fish began to swim the oceans, around 500 million years ago, the first primtive lobes of the brain had become fashioned through the collectivization of these neural ganglia (Ariens Kappers, 1929; Colbert, 1980; Jarvik, 1980; Jerison, 1973; Joseph, 1993a; Papez, 1967; Romer, 1966; Sarnat and Netsky, 1981). " " The Olfactory Limbic System (Rhinencephalon) and Memory " The Limbic System is especially important because it is the part of the brain where emotions are concentrated. But some emotional function even exists in parts of the brain that are more primitive than that. The amygdala is a center of emotion, feeling, and neurohormones and neurotransmitters involved in them such as dopamine. It has its beginnings over 500 million years ago. By comparison, the Jurassic Period was only between 208 and 146 million years ago. " The olfactory forebrain gave rise to a very primitive ventral amygdala and rudimentary dorsal hippocampus, probably some 500 million years ago when the ancestors of the eel-like cyclostomes and the wormlike, burrowing, limbless Gymnophiona first slithered upon the scene The modern-day descendants of these creatures are apparently little different from their ancestors and possess a well-developed hypothalamus, a rudimentary hippocampus, and a primtive ventral-striatum and amygdala (Ariens Kappers, 1929; Papez, 1967) [Papez invented the " Papez Circuit " to explain how emotions appear in the brain]: nuclei collectively referred to as the limbic system, a term coined by Dr. Paul MacLean. " " The rich white man, with his overconsumption of meat and his lack of generosity for poor people, behaves like a veritable cannibal--an indirect cannibal. By consuming meat, which wastes the grain that could have saved them, last year we ate the children of the Sahel, Ethiopia and Bangladesh. And we continue to eat them this year with undiminished appetite. " - R. Dumont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Um 500 million years old, the earth is not that old!!!!! Don't believe the scientist, they don't believe in God. anthocyanin5 <libanios5 wrote:Creatures Had Feelings 500 Million Years Ago Ignorant people think that animals don't have any feelings. Scientists who study the brain are surprised at how similar animals are to us. They not only act like they have feelings; their brains also contain the same mechanisms for feelings, intelligence, and consciousness that humans have. They have many of the same genes, neurotransmitters, and hormones which causes them to be so much like us. We ARE animals. Don't believe it? Let's look at what one of the world's foremost experts on brain evolution has to say. Here is an interesting quotation from NEUROPSYCHIATRY, NEUROPSYCHOLOGY, AND CLINICAL NEUROSCIENCE; EMOTION, EVOLUTION, COGNITION, LANGUAGE, MEMORY, BRAIN DAMAGE, AND ABNORMAL BEHAVIOR, by Rhawn Joseph, Director Brain Research Laboratory San Jose, California, Palo Alto and Menlo Park Veteran Affairs Medical Centers Palo Alto, California, Panel of Forensic Experts, Santa Clara County Superior Courts California. Baltimore, Williams and Wilkins, 1996. Page 9: " The initial olfactory, visual, motor neuronal network first developed by the coelenterates was repeated and elaborated upon over the ensuing 50 million years, only to diverge into two different patterns of central nervous system. " " Like those who had come before them, these primitive and ancient prevertebrate animals maintained specialized neuroganglia sensitive to tactile, visual, and chemical/pheromonal (olfactory) stimulation, as well as ganglia involved in tactile-motor functions. As such, the first rudimentary features of what would become the olfactory forebrain, the visual midbrain, and the motor (and tactile-sensory) brainstem were probably first established almost 600 million years ago. By the time the first vertebrates and armored fish began to swim the oceans, around 500 million years ago, the first primtive lobes of the brain had become fashioned through the collectivization of these neural ganglia (Ariens Kappers, 1929; Colbert, 1980; Jarvik, 1980; Jerison, 1973; Joseph, 1993a; Papez, 1967; Romer, 1966; Sarnat and Netsky, 1981). " " The Olfactory Limbic System (Rhinencephalon) and Memory " The Limbic System is especially important because it is the part of the brain where emotions are concentrated. But some emotional function even exists in parts of the brain that are more primitive than that. The amygdala is a center of emotion, feeling, and neurohormones and neurotransmitters involved in them such as dopamine. It has its beginnings over 500 million years ago. By comparison, the Jurassic Period was only between 208 and 146 million years ago. " The olfactory forebrain gave rise to a very primitive ventral amygdala and rudimentary dorsal hippocampus, probably some 500 million years ago when the ancestors of the eel-like cyclostomes and the wormlike, burrowing, limbless Gymnophiona first slithered upon the scene The modern-day descendants of these creatures are apparently little different from their ancestors and possess a well-developed hypothalamus, a rudimentary hippocampus, and a primtive ventral-striatum and amygdala (Ariens Kappers, 1929; Papez, 1967) [Papez invented the " Papez Circuit " to explain how emotions appear in the brain]: nuclei collectively referred to as the limbic system, a term coined by Dr. Paul MacLean. " " The rich white man, with his overconsumption of meat and his lack of generosity for poor people, behaves like a veritable cannibal--an indirect cannibal. By consuming meat, which wastes the grain that could have saved them, last year we ate the children of the Sahel, Ethiopia and Bangladesh. And we continue to eat them this year with undiminished appetite. " - R. Dumont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Hi there, i don't want to become embroiled in an argument like this but not everyone in this list believes in god. People come from a wide range of backgrounds and spiritual beliefs therefore we try not to discuss issues of a spiritual/religious nature in this group. That way we can bond together with what we have in common, rather than argue over those beliefs we do not share. Hope this does not offend, just trying to derail a potential argument, peace, Laura >Kennether Macon <mrsmacon903 > > >Re: Creatures Had Feelings 500 Million Years >Ago >Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) > > >Um 500 million years old, the earth is not that old!!!!! Don't believe the >scientist, they don't believe in God. > anthocyanin5 <libanios5 wrote:Creatures Had Feelings 500 >Million Years Ago > > Ignorant people think that animals don't have any > feelings. Scientists who study the brain are > surprised at how similar animals are to us. They > not only act like they have feelings; their brains _______________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental & pgmarket=en-gb & XAPID=186 & DI=1059 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Well, said, Laura. That's my message too. Dave Laura Moore [child_of_the_80s] >>...we can bond together with what we have in common, rather than argue over those beliefs we do not share.<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 Cool, but you can't deny where we all came from!!!!!! Much Love, Meschell Laura Moore <child_of_the_80s wrote:Hi there, i don't want to become embroiled in an argument like this but not everyone in this list believes in god. People come from a wide range of backgrounds and spiritual beliefs therefore we try not to discuss issues of a spiritual/religious nature in this group. That way we can bond together with what we have in common, rather than argue over those beliefs we do not share. Hope this does not offend, just trying to derail a potential argument, peace, Laura >Kennether Macon <mrsmacon903 > > >Re: Creatures Had Feelings 500 Million Years >Ago >Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:01:44 -0800 (PST) > > >Um 500 million years old, the earth is not that old!!!!! Don't believe the >scientist, they don't believe in God. > anthocyanin5 <libanios5 wrote:Creatures Had Feelings 500 >Million Years Ago > > Ignorant people think that animals don't have any > feelings. Scientists who study the brain are > surprised at how similar animals are to us. They > not only act like they have feelings; their brains _______________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental & pgmarket=en-gb & XAPID=186 & DI=1059 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 OK, I take it back. I would like to add one comment and then I'll shut up. Kennether said: " Don't believe the scientist, they don't believe in God. " that's not true. Most people who believe that the earth is 4.4 billion years old also believe in God. Most of the people who believe the evidence for evolution also believe in God. I wrote a little book on this subject called " The Pocket Darwin. " I give it away free on my website. To get your copy, follow the link in my sig. Susan No more on the subject, I promise. -- --------- Check out an excerpt of my historical novel " Jubilee, " which will be released April 17: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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