Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 hi as you all know I been a vegetarian for quite sometime. I understand soybeans do contain all 8 essential amino acids. see unfortunately I have become anemic which could also be from the diabetes I have. now when I started out I heard that if you combine beans other than soy and rice you will get all the amino acids. I used to do that all the time until I was informed that soybeans contain all of them. now would it be better to still consume rice with the soybeans to make sure I get them all? sorry for all the questions. also I heard quinoa and amaranth contain all of them too. please if you can tell me how it all breaks down I would appreciate it cause my crazy foot doctor keeps trying to get me to eat meat again cause I also have charcot disease where the bones break down but that is healing but I been told I would heal better if I ate meat I dont want to do this. and worse yet my nurse who is a full on hippie is telling me to eat meat to. so bottom line if I could get some info about combining it would be appreciated. thanks Dave pbf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Hi Dave! Yes, the combining of amino acids has been a real issue for vegetarians. Thankfully, the American Dietetic Association has found that the conscious combining of foods at the same meal to form a " complete protein " is no longer necessary. Thank goodness! They say that as long as a variety of foods (grains, legumes, etc.) are eaten in the same day complete proteins are still formed just as well. Yes, soy is a complete protein. I've also read that hemp seeds are! I didn't know about quinoa and amaranth, that's cool. Really anemia doesn't have much to do with protein, and studies have shown that vegetarians have the SAME incidence of iron-deficiency anemia as meat eaters, not more. Try eating more iron-rich foods such as lentils, molasses, beans, lentils, spinach, fortified cereals, greens . . . also eating vitamin C-rich foods with your meals greatly helps your body absorb iron. Cooking in cast iron skillets helps. Watch the amount of tea and coffee (herbal tea is ok) - they can prevent your body from absorbing plant iron. Good for you for standing up for what you believe in and not eating meat, even after being pressured by your doctor and nurse!!! It's always good to question your doctor - most doctors don't know much about vegetarianism, or nutrition in general. Why don't you ask him (and your nurse) specifically what meat does to help your bones heal that vegetarian food doesn't do. Ask him alternatives to meat that he thinks would help. Speak with a dietician. Have you looked up Charcot disease and found that you should eat meat for your bones to heal? That sounds absolutely crazy to me, but then again I know nothing about Charcot disease. I would do some research on your own. Best wishes, I'm glad your feet are starting to heal. Mary " I don't understand why asking people to eat a well-balanced vegetarian diet is considered drastic, while it is medically conservative to cut people open or put them on powerful cholesterol-lowering drugs for the rest of their lives. " -Dean Ornish, MD The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Food combining was later discounted by the very same woman who popularized it decades ago, Francis Moore Lappe. Searching on her name brings up many web sites, so exploring the issue to your heart's content ought to be quite easy. Essential amino acids only allude to the fact that the human body cannot synthesize them from the other protein we consume. Their being essential for optimal health is quite another issue and one which seems to have more than one context of inquiry. Regarding the health symptoms you experience, I suggest a bit of independent web research would indicate they arise from a number of factors besides the wrong kind of protein. From my point of view, the human body is a vastly complex chemical engine. It requires a variety of inputs for optimal efficiency. When it does not get all it needs, it adjusts and compensates. Sadly, only a few of those compensations present symptoms of the underlying deficiency, and it's even sadder that they sometimes do not present for decades. As we age, our body loses most of it youthful advantages, our diet preferences change, and we experience a wide range of reduced and degraded functioning. To address these anticipated bodily changes, a scientific interest in research of antiaging technologies is emerging. Most of it is only available on the web and in medical journals. The research is facinating and going nose to nose with many of our old beliefs. One resource that might be of interest to you is located at www.lef.org The Life Extension Foundation is one of the oldest participants among the antiaging technology companies, and they are a major force in the antioxident research we've seen over the last decade. I hope all of this is helpful. Daveo Dave [2davidm] Sunday, April 20, 2003 1:17 AM 8 essential amino acids hi as you all know I been a vegetarian for quite sometime. I understand soybeans do contain all 8 essential amino acids. see unfortunately I have become anemic which could also be from the diabetes I have. now when I started out I heard that if you combine beans other than soy and rice you will get all the amino acids. I used to do that all the time until I was informed that soybeans contain all of them. now would it be better to still consume rice with the soybeans to make sure I get them all? sorry for all the questions. also I heard quinoa and amaranth contain all of them too. please if you can tell me how it all breaks down I would appreciate it cause my crazy foot doctor keeps trying to get me to eat meat again cause I also have charcot disease where the bones break down but that is healing but I been told I would heal better if I ate meat I dont want to do this. and worse yet my nurse who is a full on hippie is telling me to eat meat to. so bottom line if I could get some info about combining it would be appreciated. thanks Dave pbf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 At 08:17 AM 4/20/03 +0000, you wrote: >hi as you all know I been a vegetarian for quite sometime. I >understand soybeans do contain all 8 essential amino acids. see >unfortunately I have become anemic which could also be from the >diabetes I have. now when I started out I heard that if you combine >beans other than soy and rice you will get all the amino acids. you no longer need to combine them in the same meal If grains and legumes are eaten in the same day you are fine. >I >used to do that all the time until I was informed that soybeans >contain all of them. now would it be better to still consume rice >with the soybeans to make sure I get them all? sorry for all the >questions. also I heard quinoa and amaranth contain all of them too. while they do contain all of them, they contain some of them in such tiny amounts you would still need to eat whole grains also. For most people that's way not a problem. >please if you can tell me how it all breaks down I would appreciate >it cause my crazy foot doctor keeps trying to get me to eat meat >again cause I also have charcot disease where the bones break down >but that is healing but I been told I would heal better if I ate >meat I dont want to do this. and worse yet my nurse who is a full on >hippie is telling me to eat meat to. so bottom line if I could get >some info about combining it would be appreciated. thanks Dave pbf Your disease is hereditary and gradually progressive. You could live on raw water buffalo and it would not slow it down or affect the progression a tiny bit. If you are anemic, then you need an iron supplement or to be checked to see what is preventing you from absorbing iron. Tell your doctor and nurse to chill!! :-) and then have them refer you to a specialist. Susan ------ Check out an excerpt of my newly published novel " Jubilee " http://members.cox.net/sbcogan/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 hi Susan thanks for informing me about how soybeans only contain small amounts of some amino acids. now when I eat soy burgers I will get the whole grain part by having it in a whole wheat bun though that is still not as good as having a hefty serving of brown rice as well. I guess I will go back to making rice stuffed peppers as a side dish. if anyone want to know how to do that ( I am sure most of you already know) you cook up some brown rice mix in whatever spices or sauces you want to then stuff a bell pepper and then put in a pan with water which also can have sauce or spice mixed in and bring to a boil then reduce to simmer and cook it till the pepper gets nice and soft. btw I really hate it when stuffed pepper reciped ask you to back them in the oven because I dont think the peppers get soft enough but overcooked lol. one more question do foods made with vital wheat gluten as the main protein source have good quality protein or is soy protein much better? and from now on I will have spanish rice to go with my soy tacos. one more thing I dont know if you would like these or not but when I make soy tacos I like to use textured soy protein and lawrys taco seasoning they taste yummy stay cool people Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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