McBeef fries

May 21, 2003

(Maybe this has been over-discussed, I don't know but I wanted to post it

just for an update if anyone was interested.)

http://www.msnbc.com/news/915952.asp?0cv=CB20

A judge ordered 24 groups to split up a $10 million McDonald's settlement

that stemmed from beef-laced fries.

Beef-laced fries pay off for veggies

Twenty-four groups to divide $10 million from McDonald’s

ASSOCIATED PRESS

CHICAGO, May 20 — A Cook County judge has named 24 groups to divide a

$10 million settlement from McDonald’s over beef-laced french fries,

resolving a dispute over which organizations would share in the awards.

THE RULING MONDAY by Circuit Judge Richard Siebel followed months

of legal wrangling since McDonald’s agreed to the settlement last year.

The settlement was intended to make amends to customers who

unwittingly ate the fries cooked in beef-flavored oil during the 1990s, when

the burger chain had said it used only pure vegetable oil. Lawsuits filed in

Illinois, California, New Jersey, Texas and Washington charged the

restaurant chain with deceiving people who don’t eat meat for personal or

religious reasons.

Oak Brook, Ill.-based McDonald’s offered 60 percent of the settlement

to vegetarian groups, 20 percent to Hindu and Sikh groups, 10 percent to

children’s nutrition and hunger-relief efforts and 10 percent to promoting

understanding of Kosher practices.

But some vegetarian groups protested recipients chosen by McDonald’s

and other plaintiffs’ lawyers, saying some were anti-vegetarian or otherwise

inappropriate.

Siebel last month rejected three of the 26 proposed groups because

attorneys in the case had family members or other personal involvement. On

Monday, he added the Hillel Jewish campus organization to the list of

participants and said the group would receive $300,000.

McDonald’s attorney Peter Hecker said all the groups on the company’s

settlement list are responsible and intend to educate the public about

vegetarianism.

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May 21, 2003

Interesting article! I wonder what vegetarian groups

the settlement went to.

I called McDonald's recently and asked if they still

put beef in the fries - the guy said " no. " Then I

asked him if he was sure and he said " we add beef

flavoring, " acting like that wasn't really an animal

product. I asked if McDonald's had any plans to stop

adding this ingredient to make the fries vegetarian

and he said no. Here's their number if anyone wants

to call and request a veggie burger or AT LEAST

vegetarian fries: 1-800-244-6227.

Mary

--- _- matrixenos -_ <matrixenos wrote:

> (Maybe this has been over-discussed, I don't know

> but I wanted to post it

> just for an update if anyone was interested.)

>

> http://www.msnbc.com/news/915952.asp?0cv=CB20

>

> A judge ordered 24 groups to split up a $10 million

> McDonald's settlement

> that stemmed from beef-laced fries.

>

> Beef-laced fries pay off for veggies

>

> Twenty-four groups to divide $10 million from

> McDonald’s

>

> ASSOCIATED PRESS

>

> CHICAGO, May 20 — A Cook County judge has

> named 24 groups to divide a

> $10 million settlement from McDonald’s over

> beef-laced french fries,

> resolving a dispute over which organizations would

> share in the awards.

>

> THE RULING MONDAY by Circuit Judge Richard

> Siebel followed months

> of legal wrangling since McDonald’s agreed to the

> settlement last year.

> The settlement was intended to make amends to

> customers who

> unwittingly ate the fries cooked in beef-flavored

> oil during the 1990s, when

> the burger chain had said it used only pure

> vegetable oil. Lawsuits filed in

> Illinois, California, New Jersey, Texas and

> Washington charged the

> restaurant chain with deceiving people who don’t eat

> meat for personal or

> religious reasons.

> Oak Brook, Ill.-based McDonald’s offered 60

> percent of the settlement

> to vegetarian groups, 20 percent to Hindu and Sikh

> groups, 10 percent to

> children’s nutrition and hunger-relief efforts and

> 10 percent to promoting

> understanding of Kosher practices.

> But some vegetarian groups protested

> recipients chosen by McDonald’s

> and other plaintiffs’ lawyers, saying some were

> anti-vegetarian or otherwise

> inappropriate.

>

> Siebel last month rejected three of the 26

> proposed groups because

> attorneys in the case had family members or other

> personal involvement. On

> Monday, he added the Hillel Jewish campus

> organization to the list of

> participants and said the group would receive

> $300,000.

> McDonald’s attorney Peter Hecker said all the

> groups on the company’s

> settlement list are responsible and intend to

> educate the public about

> vegetarianism.

>

> This material may not

> be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live on

> nothing but food and

> water.

> - W.C. Fields

>

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May 21, 2003

Does anyone know which other fast food chains have vegetarian fries or other

veggie products?

Thanks,

Tempest

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

May 21, 2003

Years ago (probably mid 90's), I read an article about McDonalds trying out

veggie patties in some of their locations (they mentioned California). I

went on a trip to New York soon after that and saw a Manhatten McDonalds

that had a sign promoting the product (ya know " try our new etc. " ). I also

saw an article recently about them discussing the pattie again...wish I

could remember where I read it. Maybe they are trying to revive it...I'm

sure not to please vegetarians or the health-conscious but just to compete

with BK's pattie, lol.

The corp. has apparently made drastic cut-backs monetarily and is closing

down some shops and cancelling the renovation of others. I read some

quircky article about how they stopped doing business with a smaller

business which made their business cards and other such things. This

business has relied on the corp. for them to stay afloat and I think is now

suing or something....just more gossipy corp stuff...don't hold me to it.

Cheers,

Shawn

Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live on nothing but food and

water.

- W.C. Fields

----Original Message Follows----

Mary Boehler <mbb73

Re: McBeef fries

Wed, 21 May 2003 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT)

Interesting article! I wonder what vegetarian groups

the settlement went to.

I called McDonald's recently and asked if they still

put beef in the fries - the guy said " no. " Then I

asked him if he was sure and he said " we add beef

flavoring, " acting like that wasn't really an animal

product. I asked if McDonald's had any plans to stop

adding this ingredient to make the fries vegetarian

and he said no. Here's their number if anyone wants

to call and request a veggie burger or AT LEAST

vegetarian fries: 1-800-244-6227.

Mary

--- _- matrixenos -_ <matrixenos wrote:

> (Maybe this has been over-discussed, I don't know

> but I wanted to post it

> just for an update if anyone was interested.)

>

> http://www.msnbc.com/news/915952.asp?0cv=CB20

>

> A judge ordered 24 groups to split up a $10 million

> McDonald's settlement

> that stemmed from beef-laced fries.

>

> Beef-laced fries pay off for veggies

>

> Twenty-four groups to divide $10 million from

> McDonald’s

>

> ASSOCIATED PRESS

>

> CHICAGO, May 20 — A Cook County judge has

> named 24 groups to divide a

> $10 million settlement from McDonald’s over

> beef-laced french fries,

> resolving a dispute over which organizations would

> share in the awards.

>

> THE RULING MONDAY by Circuit Judge Richard

> Siebel followed months

> of legal wrangling since McDonald’s agreed to the

> settlement last year.

> The settlement was intended to make amends to

> customers who

> unwittingly ate the fries cooked in beef-flavored

> oil during the 1990s, when

> the burger chain had said it used only pure

> vegetable oil. Lawsuits filed in

> Illinois, California, New Jersey, Texas and

> Washington charged the

> restaurant chain with deceiving people who don’t eat

> meat for personal or

> religious reasons.

> Oak Brook, Ill.-based McDonald’s offered 60

> percent of the settlement

> to vegetarian groups, 20 percent to Hindu and Sikh

> groups, 10 percent to

> children’s nutrition and hunger-relief efforts and

> 10 percent to promoting

> understanding of Kosher practices.

> But some vegetarian groups protested

> recipients chosen by McDonald’s

> and other plaintiffs’ lawyers, saying some were

> anti-vegetarian or otherwise

> inappropriate.

>

> Siebel last month rejected three of the 26

> proposed groups because

> attorneys in the case had family members or other

> personal involvement. On

> Monday, he added the Hillel Jewish campus

> organization to the list of

> participants and said the group would receive

> $300,000.

> McDonald’s attorney Peter Hecker said all the

> groups on the company’s

> settlement list are responsible and intend to

> educate the public about

> vegetarianism.

>

> This material may not

> be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

>

> Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live on

> nothing but food and

> water.

> - W.C. Fields

>

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May 21, 2003

Here is a site that has some samples of vegetarian and vegan products at

fast-food places. They also sell a cheap guide with more info. I'm really

dissappointed that they aren't offering it for free. While things are slow

here I am going to do some more searches for free info...theres bound to be

some out there.

http://www.vrg.org/catalog/ff.htm

Here we go this is a pretty good listing and is free....

http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/OtherInfo/FastFoodRest.htm

I can't vouch for how updated or accurate they are but seems like a good

resource.

Shawn

Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live on nothing but food and

water.

- W.C. Fields

----Original Message Follows----

TempestuousTrollop <tempestuoustrollop

Re: McBeef fries

Wed, 21 May 2003 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT)

Does anyone know which other fast food chains have vegetarian fries or other

veggie products?

Thanks,

Tempest

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

May 21, 2003

The Vegetarian Resource Group www.vrg.org puts out a publication on fast food.

It costs $4

TempestuousTrollop <tempestuoustrollop wrote:Does anyone know which

other fast food chains have vegetarian fries or other veggie products?

Thanks,

Tempest

The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

May 22, 2003

hate to say it McDs got their lame ass ways of doing things and thats

the way it is and if you dont like their fries dont buy them. the sad

thing is in India they have all sorts of cool veggie burgers and

probably fries without beef but hey what can you say. stay cool Dave

May 22, 2003

McBeef's also has trialed the Veggie burger here in London, Ontario -

can't help but notice the signs as we go past there (and I do mean

*past* not *in*) there several times a week. I think Burger K. were

first with it (don't do them either) here. For what it's worth.

Btw, about the 'beef flavouring': I understand it is possible to get

that flavour from chemicals *not* derived from animal products, so that

as long as it isn't 'natural' flavouring it could be vegetarian. Whether

or not that is what McBeef is doing, I dunno. Right now I'd not thank

anyone for meat-flavoured anything - don't like the taste or smell

anymore - another good reason to stay away from places that grill their

meat under your nose.

Best,

Pat

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May 22, 2003

Thanks Shawn and Sheryl for the veggie restaurant info. I'm a horrible

vegetarian -- it's nice to rely on others for help, lol.

Tempest

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May 23, 2003

" I understand it is possible to get that flavour from chemicals *not*

derived from animal products, so that

as long as it isn't 'natural' flavouring it could be vegetarian. "

Yeah that is my understanding too. But with their previous deceptive

tactics, who knows.

S.

Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live on nothing but food and

water.

- W.C. Fields

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Sant & Brown <santbrown

Re: McBeef fries

Thu, 22 May 2003 15:03:57 -0500