Guest guest Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2003 Report Share Posted May 28, 2003 " starfrog1969 " <starfrog1969> wrote: > What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? <snip> I am > trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein > since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I > still worry.) I don't have kids, but I do have a carnivorous bf with 3 of them. What has worked for us quite often is to make the " old stand-by " meals but with a veggie bent. - Veg chili is great and easy. - Spaghetti and meatless meatballs. - All sorts of Mexican type dishes - quesadillas, tacos, fajitas, burritos, etc - can be made with beans mixed in (and if you make your own refried beans you can control the fat content) and with tvp/tsp/fake ground beef, which I've found to be the most economical of the meat substitutes. - I throw beans into homemade soups (usually a mix of various beans, so if there's something they totally hate they can pick it out). - We often have " breakfast " foods for dinner - omlettes, etc. Eggs are a source of protein (about 6g per large egg), and if you leave out the yolks they're pretty good for you too. Diced up soy sausage goes a lot further when you're only using a bit of it in a breakfast burrito or an omlette. There's a fair bit of protein in a lot of places that I didn't expect it. A baked potato, for example, has about 8g. Lots of grains are good sources as well. A cup of barley, for example, has about 19g, a cup of couscous (dry) has about 22. A cup of brown rice has 5 g, long grain white has about 12. There's 22g of protein in one slice from a large Pizza Hut stuffed crust cheese pizza even! While I know nothing about her diet program, Anne Collins has a pretty extensive list of protein sources on her website. If you start at http://www.annecollins.com/protein-diet.htm you should be able to follow links to most of the information you'd likely want. I had a friend who's a RD take a quick look, and she said the protein counts looked reasonably accurate. Good luck! -- Sherri " I think people should be free to engage in any sexual practices they choose; they should draw the line at goats though. " - Elton John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 hi what ya gotta do is make things that are definitly vegetarian but not healthfood oriented and they will like. try soy tacos using tvp and lawrys taco seasoning definitly has the taco taste all ya do is reconstitute tvp according to directions, brown it in some oil then add the taco seasoning and make like it were ground meat. also try tvp with carrol shelby chilli mix. you could also use groundmeat substitute. stay cool Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 ooops Shari you beat me to the advice haha stay cool Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Hmmm, do they like smoothies? If so you can add protein powder to them. Maybe you should try adding up how much protein they get in a day for a week or two. Then see what it averages out per day. I'm sure you could find out how much protein is recommended per day for each of their ages. That way you could see how much more protein a day they need or if they are already receiving an adequate amount. Good luck!! karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 Your advice was good too. :-) ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Dave Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:58 AM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... ooops Shari you beat me to the advice haha stay cool Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 i have a 3 year old who is a very picky eater. i try to not have junk food in the house and continue to offer new foods to him without pressuring him to eat. i figure he will eat when he's hungry. here's a list of the healthier things he will eat...maybe it will give you a few ideas. susie ..spaghetti ..cheese raviolli ..veggie pizza (his fave toppings are black olives and mushrooms) ..grilled cheese on whole wheat (actually i toast the bread and then melt the cheese in the oven instead of frying it in butter in a pan) ..quesadillas ..cheese enchiladas ..baked potatoes ..homemade mac and cheese with broccoli ..veggie fried rice ..veggie dogs ..nuts (esp. cashews and peanuts) ..msf breakfast strips ..carrot, celery, cucumbers, bell peppers dipped in ranch dressing (i make little trays with all these things and set them out for him and he snacks on them throughout the day) ..peanut butter sandwiches ..cheddar cheese slices and crackers ..apple slices ..popcorn ..watermelon and cantaloupe ..protein shakes (i make them using protein powder and milk or protein powder and apple juice) --- starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote: > Hello Feral Vegetarians, > > Maybe this will be a good place for help with my > problem. I myself > am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference > to my 11 year > old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is > pursuing the veggie > lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are > veggie, but not > terribly distressed as long as I run him through a > fast food place > every couple of weeks... > > The problem is this- My two boys... One eats > veggies, not fruits. > One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut > butters, hummus or > anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans > (of course, with > all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of > other types of > beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every > sauce possible at it > and basically said to my 11 year old " This or > chicken, you pick. " I > try different type of grains and things for variety, > but find mostly > we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik > patties in the > freezer section. I live in a very small town and > these things are > just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a > night just for > family approved protein source. > > What do you think? Should I just make them eat > stuff they hate? The > guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid > something they > hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY > IF YOU HAVE A WEAK > STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they > hate it enough. > (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! > Never made them eat > sprouted peas again!) > > I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax > meal, granola and > some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every > day. But I am > trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, > with enough protein > since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely > I know, but I > still worry.) > > BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, > 'cause if so, we're in > like flint! > > SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? > > Peace all. > > Starfrog > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2003 Report Share Posted May 29, 2003 You know, you would think letting them pick food for the following week would work. But I can't count the bags of produce that have mouldered in my fridge after weepy eyed children have expressed undying love for the apple/pear/carrot WHATEVER. As for dinners, I am just now getting them to do dishes on a " " basis. Which means five glasses and fifteen minutes of hysterics. Did I mention that both children are Bi-Polar and have ADD? ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 bluetulipz <bluetulipz wrote:Hmmm, do they like smoothies? If so you can add protein powder to them. Maybe you should try adding up how much protein they get in a day for a week or two. Then see what it averages out per day. I'm sure you could find out how much protein is recommended per day for each of their ages. That way you could see how much more protein a day they need or if they are already receiving an adequate amount. Good luck!! karen Is there an easy way to do this. I mean, how much protein is in a tablespoon of kasha with one mushy little onion and a dreaded piece of mushroom? Now, granted the kasha WAS coated in egg. Starfrog Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Prob depends on your definition of easy! Btw, I love your use of adjectives..mushy little onion and dreaded piece of mushroom...really illustrates the food war at home I was really just talking bout looking at the back of boxes/bags and estimating. If you wanted a more accurate count, you could always go to fitday.com or some other type of website like it. It's more geared towared fitness and nutrition but you input what you eat in a day (exact amounts or estimates) and it gives the nutritional breakdown for what you eat..carbs, protein, etc. You can also look at charts which show you what you've eaten in the past week, month, etc and see what it averages out to. Have a good morning, karen > > Is there an easy way to do this. I mean, how much protein is in a tablespoon of kasha with one mushy little onion and a dreaded piece of mushroom? Now, granted the kasha WAS coated in egg. > > > Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 I don't really understand Bi-Porlar, but I do understand ADD. Both of my sons are AD/HD So am I. I understand the trouble with getting them to do anything. I usually end up in a yelling match with them. It's very stressful. When I say they can cook. I mean simple things like cheese sandwiches or frozen pizza. They can do a few other things too. They don't use recipes. I just got tired of all the stress of trying to get them to eat what I fixed. I worry about them not getting enough. But I've always read that kids will eat what they need. If that's so they're getting their nutrition from junk food. I hope in time they rethink their eating style. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Raven Peters Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:25 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... You know, you would think letting them pick food for the following week would work. But I can't count the bags of produce that have mouldered in my fridge after weepy eyed children have expressed undying love for the apple/pear/carrot WHATEVER. As for dinners, I am just now getting them to do dishes on a " " basis. Which means five glasses and fifteen minutes of hysterics. Did I mention that both children are Bi-Polar and have ADD? ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 What about trying protein shakes? There are some yummy ones out there that taste like cocoa. I have one for breakfast every morning, gives me about 22 g of protein, to boost my protein. Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Bi-Polar illness is particularly nasty. Most people have been depressed at some point in their lives, so can understand that part but Bi-Polars get the opposite end, too, sort of a bonus gift. Mania is sort of like a bad cocaine high. Symptoms are are racing thoughts, fidgityness, and can also include dangerous or bad choices regarding sex/drugs and the like, spending too much money (I mean in a crippling fashion [i once spent $1000.00 I didn't have in a week]), it's worst peaks can leave the person shcizoid. I know I spelled that wrong, sorry. The fatality rate is 20%, due to suicide, and my whole family is dealing with it. So little issues (food, who does the dishes, etc) can escalate into BIG issues rather quickly. And I keep reminding myself that they are really little issues after all. My boys will make macci's and cheese and ramen. They can manage a bowl of cereal. I can almost get them to wash half a sink of dishes before tears and hysteria. (Sometimes from them, sometimes from me <shrug>). I stress the need to balance their diet. " OK, macci's are fine that's a carb, a simple one, where's the veggie? " type thing. But the truth is, I am very ill right now, and am not so hot at planning out meals myself. So we are just muddling through. I buy fruit, yogurt, stuff that is healthy, and a lot of times they go hungry rather than eat it. I throw away food until I almost cry. Food, I must mention, that they themselves picked out. I can't wait until they have children of their own. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote: I don't really understand Bi-Porlar, but I do understand ADD. Both of my sons are AD/HD So am I. I understand the trouble with getting them to do anything. I usually end up in a yelling match with them. It's very stressful. When I say they can cook. I mean simple things like cheese sandwiches or frozen pizza. They can do a few other things too. They don't use recipes. I just got tired of all the stress of trying to get them to eat what I fixed. I worry about them not getting enough. But I've always read that kids will eat what they need. If that's so they're getting their nutrition from junk food. I hope in time they rethink their eating style. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Raven Peters Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:25 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... You know, you would think letting them pick food for the following week would work. But I can't count the bags of produce that have mouldered in my fridge after weepy eyed children have expressed undying love for the apple/pear/carrot WHATEVER. As for dinners, I am just now getting them to do dishes on a " " basis. Which means five glasses and fifteen minutes of hysterics. Did I mention that both children are Bi-Polar and have ADD? ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Bi-polar disorder *is* a particular nasty thing to have to deal with - total sympathy, support, good thoughts, etc. Keep on muddling on - you're doing fine - and hope you're feeling better yourself soonest. Do your boys have a short of long cycle? Best love, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. " - Immanuel Kant * " I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being. " - Abraham Lincoln * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " - Franz Fanon ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 I've never been around anybody with Bi-Polar but I have a cyber friend that has it. It's pretty nasty. Do you also have it? Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused. - Raven Peters Friday, May 30, 2003 7:44 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... Bi-Polar illness is particularly nasty. Most people have been depressed at some point in their lives, so can understand that part but Bi-Polars get the opposite end, too, sort of a bonus gift. Mania is sort of like a bad cocaine high. Symptoms are are racing thoughts, fidgityness, and can also include dangerous or bad choices regarding sex/drugs and the like, spending too much money (I mean in a crippling fashion [i once spent $1000.00 I didn't have in a week]), it's worst peaks can leave the person shcizoid. I know I spelled that wrong, sorry. The fatality rate is 20%, due to suicide, and my whole family is dealing with it. So little issues (food, who does the dishes, etc) can escalate into BIG issues rather quickly. And I keep reminding myself that they are really little issues after all. My boys will make macci's and cheese and ramen. They can manage a bowl of cereal. I can almost get them to wash half a sink of dishes before tears and hysteria. (Sometimes from them, sometimes from me <shrug>). I stress the need to balance their diet. " OK, macci's are fine that's a carb, a simple one, where's the veggie? " type thing. But the truth is, I am very ill right now, and am not so hot at planning out meals myself. So we are just muddling through. I buy fruit, yogurt, stuff that is healthy, and a lot of times they go hungry rather than eat it. I throw away food until I almost cry. Food, I must mention, that they themselves picked out. I can't wait until they have children of their own. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote: I don't really understand Bi-Porlar, but I do understand ADD. Both of my sons are AD/HD So am I. I understand the trouble with getting them to do anything. I usually end up in a yelling match with them. It's very stressful. When I say they can cook. I mean simple things like cheese sandwiches or frozen pizza. They can do a few other things too. They don't use recipes. I just got tired of all the stress of trying to get them to eat what I fixed. I worry about them not getting enough. But I've always read that kids will eat what they need. If that's so they're getting their nutrition from junk food. I hope in time they rethink their eating style. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Raven Peters Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:25 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... You know, you would think letting them pick food for the following week would work. But I can't count the bags of produce that have mouldered in my fridge after weepy eyed children have expressed undying love for the apple/pear/carrot WHATEVER. As for dinners, I am just now getting them to do dishes on a " " basis. Which means five glasses and fifteen minutes of hysterics. Did I mention that both children are Bi-Polar and have ADD? ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 I have a severe form of it... Have been off work for a year. At its worst, was hospitalized... Sometimes there are weeks I don't leave my house because of depression/anxiety. The first thing the Dr.s always say is " Eat well. " And I laugh. Except for chocolate being in its own food group, I eat very well. SIGH. I don't exercise, which is bad. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I've never been around anybody with Bi-Polar but I have a cyber friend that has it. It's pretty nasty. Do you also have it? Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused. - Raven Peters Friday, May 30, 2003 7:44 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... Bi-Polar illness is particularly nasty. Most people have been depressed at some point in their lives, so can understand that part but Bi-Polars get the opposite end, too, sort of a bonus gift. Mania is sort of like a bad cocaine high. Symptoms are are racing thoughts, fidgityness, and can also include dangerous or bad choices regarding sex/drugs and the like, spending too much money (I mean in a crippling fashion [i once spent $1000.00 I didn't have in a week]), it's worst peaks can leave the person shcizoid. I know I spelled that wrong, sorry. The fatality rate is 20%, due to suicide, and my whole family is dealing with it. So little issues (food, who does the dishes, etc) can escalate into BIG issues rather quickly. And I keep reminding myself that they are really little issues after all. My boys will make macci's and cheese and ramen. They can manage a bowl of cereal. I can almost get them to wash half a sink of dishes before tears and hysteria. (Sometimes from them, sometimes from me <shrug>). I stress the need to balance their diet. " OK, macci's are fine that's a carb, a simple one, where's the veggie? " type thing. But the truth is, I am very ill right now, and am not so hot at planning out meals myself. So we are just muddling through. I buy fruit, yogurt, stuff that is healthy, and a lot of times they go hungry rather than eat it. I throw away food until I almost cry. Food, I must mention, that they themselves picked out. I can't wait until they have children of their own. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote: I don't really understand Bi-Porlar, but I do understand ADD. Both of my sons are AD/HD So am I. I understand the trouble with getting them to do anything. I usually end up in a yelling match with them. It's very stressful. When I say they can cook. I mean simple things like cheese sandwiches or frozen pizza. They can do a few other things too. They don't use recipes. I just got tired of all the stress of trying to get them to eat what I fixed. I worry about them not getting enough. But I've always read that kids will eat what they need. If that's so they're getting their nutrition from junk food. I hope in time they rethink their eating style. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Raven Peters Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:25 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... You know, you would think letting them pick food for the following week would work. But I can't count the bags of produce that have mouldered in my fridge after weepy eyed children have expressed undying love for the apple/pear/carrot WHATEVER. As for dinners, I am just now getting them to do dishes on a " " basis. Which means five glasses and fifteen minutes of hysterics. Did I mention that both children are Bi-Polar and have ADD? ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 My oldest was going through a lot of depression, but it seems to have cleared up. He is totally off meds and seemingly ok. I think he will have depressions of and on in his life, but for the most part, he will do ok. The youngest, on the other hand, is almost as ill as I am. He has terrible anxieties, tantrums (which is the equivelent to mood swings in bi-polar kids), and just has a general poor outlook on life. He was hospitalized not too long ago for being suicidal. He has a hard time making friends. Yet, he is one of the most compassionate, delightful young people you could ever meet. He is very bright, but it is hidden behind his illness(es). He also has ADHD, OCD and anxiety disorder. It breaks my heart. He is vegetarian because he loves animals and the thought of eating them makes him, well, you all know. My only hope is that he will find the right combo of meds early on, and learn to deal with his illness so that he can have SOME semblence of a normal life. Let me paint a picture for you. Imagine an 11 year old, red hair, clear blue eyes, pointed little chin, freckles, skinned knees. He's the one in the corner crooning to the bird the cat killed, or once it has died, wondering why he can't dissect it, so he learns more about the creature. He cries because the other children won't be near him, yet all the adults he comes in contact with love him. I want to protect him from the whole world. And yet. So, I log onto this site, and talk to others, for him. Because, at 11, my son has a cause, and because I love him. Peace to you all, and thanks for your well wishes. Sant & Brown <santbrown wrote: Bi-polar disorder *is* a particular nasty thing to have to deal with - total sympathy, support, good thoughts, etc. Keep on muddling on - you're doing fine - and hope you're feeling better yourself soonest. Do your boys have a short of long cycle? Best love, Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. " - Immanuel Kant * " I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being. " - Abraham Lincoln * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " - Franz Fanon ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Do you also have AD/HD? I eat pretty healthy too. Especially since I've gone vegetarian. Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused. - starfrog Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:37 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I have a severe form of it... Have been off work for a year. At its worst, was hospitalized... Sometimes there are weeks I don't leave my house because of depression/anxiety. The first thing the Dr.s always say is " Eat well. " And I laugh. Except for chocolate being in its own food group, I eat very well. SIGH. I don't exercise, which is bad. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I've never been around anybody with Bi-Polar but I have a cyber friend that has it. It's pretty nasty. Do you also have it? Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused. - Raven Peters Friday, May 30, 2003 7:44 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... Bi-Polar illness is particularly nasty. Most people have been depressed at some point in their lives, so can understand that part but Bi-Polars get the opposite end, too, sort of a bonus gift. Mania is sort of like a bad cocaine high. Symptoms are are racing thoughts, fidgityness, and can also include dangerous or bad choices regarding sex/drugs and the like, spending too much money (I mean in a crippling fashion [i once spent $1000.00 I didn't have in a week]), it's worst peaks can leave the person shcizoid. I know I spelled that wrong, sorry. The fatality rate is 20%, due to suicide, and my whole family is dealing with it. So little issues (food, who does the dishes, etc) can escalate into BIG issues rather quickly. And I keep reminding myself that they are really little issues after all. My boys will make macci's and cheese and ramen. They can manage a bowl of cereal. I can almost get them to wash half a sink of dishes before tears and hysteria. (Sometimes from them, sometimes from me <shrug>). I stress the need to balance their diet. " OK, macci's are fine that's a carb, a simple one, where's the veggie? " type thing. But the truth is, I am very ill right now, and am not so hot at planning out meals myself. So we are just muddling through. I buy fruit, yogurt, stuff that is healthy, and a lot of times they go hungry rather than eat it. I throw away food until I almost cry. Food, I must mention, that they themselves picked out. I can't wait until they have children of their own. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote: I don't really understand Bi-Porlar, but I do understand ADD. Both of my sons are AD/HD So am I. I understand the trouble with getting them to do anything. I usually end up in a yelling match with them. It's very stressful. When I say they can cook. I mean simple things like cheese sandwiches or frozen pizza. They can do a few other things too. They don't use recipes. I just got tired of all the stress of trying to get them to eat what I fixed. I worry about them not getting enough. But I've always read that kids will eat what they need. If that's so they're getting their nutrition from junk food. I hope in time they rethink their eating style. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Raven Peters Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:25 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... You know, you would think letting them pick food for the following week would work. But I can't count the bags of produce that have mouldered in my fridge after weepy eyed children have expressed undying love for the apple/pear/carrot WHATEVER. As for dinners, I am just now getting them to do dishes on a " " basis. Which means five glasses and fifteen minutes of hysterics. Did I mention that both children are Bi-Polar and have ADD? ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Probably. Been diagnosed with it, but have been diagnosed with EVERYTHING. Have the attention span of a gnat, tho. Made school very difficult. I mean college. I'd drift off, half the class later, I am reading someone's notes next to me to keep up. Fortunately, unlike in school-school (if you know what I mean) I did very well in college, and almost completed my bachelor's. Then I had a nervous breakdown. SIGH. Now, I sit at home and contemplate what life has next in store for me. I hope involves school. Really was the thing I was best at. I loved just about every subject. I took so many junior college classes I got an AA in Liberal Arts and Physical Sciences with lots of ceramics classes on the side including stuff like The Chemistry of Glazes and such. They finally gave me lots of scholarships and made me leave. Next step was much harder, especially with my illness. It was an accelerated program designed for working adults. You know, six weeks of this, then six weeks of that. Four hours in class, one night a week, with tons of work at home type thing. I was working 30 hours a week, my partner and I were not getting on so well. The school work load was not heavier, but more concentrated, so if I had a down week, it blew the grade for the whole class. But I am not used to having nothing to do. I live in a minuscule town, where there is NOTHING for an hour in any direction. Except for TV, and we lived without that for FIVE LONG YEARS until I moved here to hell and there was nothing else for the kids to do, well, I am kind of beside myself. And too sick to do anything anyway. I mean I have sewing and stuff I could do if I could pull myself together, so well, there it is. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote: Do you also have AD/HD? I eat pretty healthy too. Especially since I've gone vegetarian. Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused. - starfrog Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:37 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I have a severe form of it... Have been off work for a year. At its worst, was hospitalized... Sometimes there are weeks I don't leave my house because of depression/anxiety. The first thing the Dr.s always say is " Eat well. " And I laugh. Except for chocolate being in its own food group, I eat very well. SIGH. I don't exercise, which is bad. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I've never been around anybody with Bi-Polar but I have a cyber friend that has it. It's pretty nasty. Do you also have it? Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused. - Raven Peters Friday, May 30, 2003 7:44 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... Bi-Polar illness is particularly nasty. Most people have been depressed at some point in their lives, so can understand that part but Bi-Polars get the opposite end, too, sort of a bonus gift. Mania is sort of like a bad cocaine high. Symptoms are are racing thoughts, fidgityness, and can also include dangerous or bad choices regarding sex/drugs and the like, spending too much money (I mean in a crippling fashion [i once spent $1000.00 I didn't have in a week]), it's worst peaks can leave the person shcizoid. I know I spelled that wrong, sorry. The fatality rate is 20%, due to suicide, and my whole family is dealing with it. So little issues (food, who does the dishes, etc) can escalate into BIG issues rather quickly. And I keep reminding myself that they are really little issues after all. My boys will make macci's and cheese and ramen. They can manage a bowl of cereal. I can almost get them to wash half a sink of dishes before tears and hysteria. (Sometimes from them, sometimes from me <shrug>). I stress the need to balance their diet. " OK, macci's are fine that's a carb, a simple one, where's the veggie? " type thing. But the truth is, I am very ill right now, and am not so hot at planning out meals myself. So we are just muddling through. I buy fruit, yogurt, stuff that is healthy, and a lot of times they go hungry rather than eat it. I throw away food until I almost cry. Food, I must mention, that they themselves picked out. I can't wait until they have children of their own. ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote: I don't really understand Bi-Porlar, but I do understand ADD. Both of my sons are AD/HD So am I. I understand the trouble with getting them to do anything. I usually end up in a yelling match with them. It's very stressful. When I say they can cook. I mean simple things like cheese sandwiches or frozen pizza. They can do a few other things too. They don't use recipes. I just got tired of all the stress of trying to get them to eat what I fixed. I worry about them not getting enough. But I've always read that kids will eat what they need. If that's so they're getting their nutrition from junk food. I hope in time they rethink their eating style. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Raven Peters Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:25 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... You know, you would think letting them pick food for the following week would work. But I can't count the bags of produce that have mouldered in my fridge after weepy eyed children have expressed undying love for the apple/pear/carrot WHATEVER. As for dinners, I am just now getting them to do dishes on a " " basis. Which means five glasses and fifteen minutes of hysterics. Did I mention that both children are Bi-Polar and have ADD? ~Janice Macak~ <serenity1 wrote:I agree with that. I have 2 sons that can cook soon. It's a good thing to. If they don't want to eat vegetarian they have to cook for themselves. I think they're too old for me to force a vegetarian diet on. But if they don't want to eat it, they have to cook. I also think it's a good idea to involve the kids in the shopping and cooking. Even kids younger then my. btw...my boys are 17 years old. ~Janice~ HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. - Sheryl A. Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:31 PM Re: Picky, picky vegetarians.... I'm not a mother and my opinion probably won't count for much because of that, but I would suggest that if they are that picky, that they HELP plan the meals, go shopping with you and help cook it. That way, no one can complain. They sound like they are old enough to help anyway and all boys should learn to cook sometime. starfrog1969 <starfrog1969 wrote:Hello Feral Vegetarians, Maybe this will be a good place for help with my problem. I myself am not completely vegetarian. However, in deference to my 11 year old, who is vehemently vegetarian, our family is pursuing the veggie lifestyle. My other son is not thrilled that we are veggie, but not terribly distressed as long as I run him through a fast food place every couple of weeks... The problem is this- My two boys... One eats veggies, not fruits. One eats fruits, not veggies... Neither eat nut butters, hummus or anything of that ilk. They will eat refried beans (of course, with all that fat in it...SIGH), but are not fond of other types of beans. They will eat tofu 'cause I throw every sauce possible at it and basically said to my 11 year old " This or chicken, you pick. " I try different type of grains and things for variety, but find mostly we eat the hideously expensive veggie dogs or chik patties in the freezer section. I live in a very small town and these things are just unbelievable. I end up spending like $10.00 a night just for family approved protein source. What do you think? Should I just make them eat stuff they hate? The guys will go on days long hunger strikes to avoid something they hate, and my personal favorite is (QUICK LOOK AWAY IF YOU HAVE A WEAK STOMACH) they can both throw something up if they hate it enough. (OK it happened once, but that convinced ME!!!! Never made them eat sprouted peas again!) I am going crazy. I can live on yogurt with flax meal, granola and some stir fried tofu with soba and veggies every day. But I am trying to provide a balanced diet for these guys, with enough protein since I worry about protein deficencies. (Unlikely I know, but I still worry.) BTW- does ice cream count as a protein source, 'cause if so, we're in like flint! SO- any recipes, suggestions, ???? Peace all. Starfrog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Oh poor darling - what a lovely boy you describe and how you must ache for his distress. It's not use telling you not to worry - of course you will - but you also know you are doing the right things for your boys. You also have to make sure that you do the right things for yourself, being ill yourself - and that is harder, I know. Four years is a long time, but you know there are lots of us who have been ill for longer and then, somehow, it all goes away and you wake up one morning and realize that you *can* go out without being afraid or avoiding people or places . . . Meanwhile, you just get on with getting on, I guess. And about the food thing, I have some more recipes that are kinda kid friendly too, although it's a long time since I've had to cook for a young set *LOL* My grandchildren live (with their parents) in Sweden and they are distinctly *not* vegetarian ;=) Best love to you. Pat > > So, I log onto this site, and talk to others, for him. Because, at 11, my son > has a cause, and because I love him. > > Peace to you all, and thanks for your well wishes. > -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. " - Immanuel Kant * " I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being. " - Abraham Lincoln * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " - Franz Fanon ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 > but you > also know you are doing the right things for > your boys. You also have to > make sure that you do the right things for > yourself, being ill yourself > - and that is harder, I know. Glad you said that. Sometimes the best thing we can do for other people is to take care of ourselves first. You know how on airplanes they tell you to secure your oxygen mask first, then assist other people. If you don't secure yours first, then you will worry the entire time you're trying to secure the other one and you won't do a good job. Definitely, take care of yourself first. Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 I find with my panic disorder that if I go for daily walks with my dogs it helps me greatly. I do understand about how just leaving the house can be difficult. Some days I have to force myself. ~ PT ~ I am satisfied there is nothing to be done but to make the best of what cannot be helped, to act with reason oneself and with a good conscience.Ê And though that will not give all the joys some people wish for, yet it will make one very quiet. ~ Sarah, Duchess of Marlborough ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> , starfrog <starfrog1969> wrote: I don't exercise, which is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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