Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Hello all. I am fairly new to the list but I do read all the posts. I have replies to several posts in the digest. I have spent 22 years working in the pet food industry in one way or another. As some one who lives in a farming community, married to a dairy herdsman I had a couple of comments about dead cows and where they go. Not a great subject but it relates to the pet food industry. Sick, dying or dead cows, pigs etc go to the pet food guys. Let's face it. They have to go somewhere. Now PERSONALLY, I would like to see animals that have served a farmer well all their lives be given a decent burial in the back forty. Unfortunately they are not and they end up in the pet food industry. Since the cows or whatever are dead anyway, I see no point in wasting the byproducts ie, hides, hooves etc. Waste not want not as they say. I HATE to see this crap put into the food our animals eat. Much better they make glue or shoes out of it. Dogs being omnivores can subsist quite nicely on a vegetarian diet providing they have a good vitamin supplement and some serious protein (not animal protein) for hair and muscles developement. Our dogs love veggies, mostly cooked, and anything that is grain based. They aren't much fussy on beans. Cats are a whole other ballgame because they are carnivores and in the wild they DO NOT eat non-meat products. They don't even eat the bones. Dogs love bones though. I have seen many vegetarians and vegans place their animals on plant based diets. The cats don't fair well unless they have owners that are giving supplements to provide all those weird and wonderful enzymes, minerals and the like that cats can't do without. Inflicting our personal views on our families is one thing, they can tell you take a hike and visit McDonalds when you're not looking. Inflicting them on animals who can't make that trip to the grocery store for themselves in not nice. As pet owners we have a responsibility to do what is best for our animals for their optimum health both mentally and physically. In my humble opinion anyway. As for kids and veggie foods, I guess it's a matter of trial an error. I hate brown rice and anything that tastes " wheaty " I have tried for years to eat kasha and bulgur and brown rice and all those grainy things and gee, I just don't have the tastebuds for them. I do love beans though and make a lot of things with them - sausages, patties for the bbq, bean balls, etc. They are wonderful. We are ovo-lacto although non of us drink milk. We use cheese though and yogurt, sour cream, mayo (nix the soya one) and cream cheese. And eggs. Get 'em locally from a farmer who loves his chickens and they produce great big brown ones with iron tough shells the way eggs are supposed to be. Lunches at our house tend to be sandwiches or home made soups or both. Non of which contain tofu or anything that even remotely resembles it. I don't care for it either. Veggie pita pockets, grilled cheese, toasted tomato with sprouts, cream cheese on rye with sprouts, egg salad, cheese and tomato, cucumber, etc Soups are usually tomato based with lots of nice big veggie chunks and pasta in them. Sometimes I make tiny dumplings to go in the soup, mostly for the winter. Breakfasts are just toast for me and my DD loves oatmeal, DS has to have cereal. He does like milk in his cereal. I drink Chocolate soy milk simply because I love the taste. Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages, salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas, veggie stews, baked taters, etc. Everything is from the local grocery store. My husband has no idea we don't eat meat. Although I think he might be getting suspicious. LOL. So if you have kids that are balking at the more unusual foods, don't feed 'em any. It is not necessary. They can get perfectly good nutrition and enough protein in regular meals that you have simply removed meat from. I have 3, now adult children, two of which have never drank milk and wouldn't dream of eating anything that contained soy that have not been sick hardly a day in their lives. They never get colds, never get the flu, have all their body parts and are real go getters. I have one son who drink milks and lives on cheese and veggie pizzas I think. My husband works 14 hours a day at hard labour, never drinks milk, wouldn't touch soy if he was dying (he plants soy for the cows and insists it is only cow fodder not fit for humans) and lives on peanut butter, whole grain breads and vegetable based foods. Oh and popcorn. Gosh we go through a lot of popcorn. He hasn't been sick with anything since he had his hernia operation in 1985. So I wouldn't be beating yourself up over what you are or aren't feeding your kids. If they don't like soy or grains, don't give them any. Make it up in stuff they like. I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried and true. If you would like them, just email me at diamyst and I will send them on. Heather in Ontario ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* " When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R. Pirsig " HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. " Go Veggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 DD and DS? You're a flylady member aren't you!! So am I! Janice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused. - diamyst Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:06 AM Pet foods, kids food, long. Hello all. I am fairly new to the list but I do read all the posts. I have replies to several posts in the digest. I have spent 22 years working in the pet food industry in one way or another. As some one who lives in a farming community, married to a dairy herdsman I had a couple of comments about dead cows and where they go. Not a great subject but it relates to the pet food industry. Sick, dying or dead cows, pigs etc go to the pet food guys. Let's face it. They have to go somewhere. Now PERSONALLY, I would like to see animals that have served a farmer well all their lives be given a decent burial in the back forty. Unfortunately they are not and they end up in the pet food industry. Since the cows or whatever are dead anyway, I see no point in wasting the byproducts ie, hides, hooves etc. Waste not want not as they say. I HATE to see this crap put into the food our animals eat. Much better they make glue or shoes out of it. Dogs being omnivores can subsist quite nicely on a vegetarian diet providing they have a good vitamin supplement and some serious protein (not animal protein) for hair and muscles developement. Our dogs love veggies, mostly cooked, and anything that is grain based. They aren't much fussy on beans. Cats are a whole other ballgame because they are carnivores and in the wild they DO NOT eat non-meat products. They don't even eat the bones. Dogs love bones though. I have seen many vegetarians and vegans place their animals on plant based diets. The cats don't fair well unless they have owners that are giving supplements to provide all those weird and wonderful enzymes, minerals and the like that cats can't do without. Inflicting our personal views on our families is one thing, they can tell you take a hike and visit McDonalds when you're not looking. Inflicting them on animals who can't make that trip to the grocery store for themselves in not nice. As pet owners we have a responsibility to do what is best for our animals for their optimum health both mentally and physically. In my humble opinion anyway. As for kids and veggie foods, I guess it's a matter of trial an error. I hate brown rice and anything that tastes " wheaty " I have tried for years to eat kasha and bulgur and brown rice and all those grainy things and gee, I just don't have the tastebuds for them. I do love beans though and make a lot of things with them - sausages, patties for the bbq, bean balls, etc. They are wonderful. We are ovo-lacto although non of us drink milk. We use cheese though and yogurt, sour cream, mayo (nix the soya one) and cream cheese. And eggs. Get 'em locally from a farmer who loves his chickens and they produce great big brown ones with iron tough shells the way eggs are supposed to be. Lunches at our house tend to be sandwiches or home made soups or both. Non of which contain tofu or anything that even remotely resembles it. I don't care for it either. Veggie pita pockets, grilled cheese, toasted tomato with sprouts, cream cheese on rye with sprouts, egg salad, cheese and tomato, cucumber, etc Soups are usually tomato based with lots of nice big veggie chunks and pasta in them. Sometimes I make tiny dumplings to go in the soup, mostly for the winter. Breakfasts are just toast for me and my DD loves oatmeal, DS has to have cereal. He does like milk in his cereal. I drink Chocolate soy milk simply because I love the taste. Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages, salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas, veggie stews, baked taters, etc. Everything is from the local grocery store. My husband has no idea we don't eat meat. Although I think he might be getting suspicious. LOL. So if you have kids that are balking at the more unusual foods, don't feed 'em any. It is not necessary. They can get perfectly good nutrition and enough protein in regular meals that you have simply removed meat from. I have 3, now adult children, two of which have never drank milk and wouldn't dream of eating anything that contained soy that have not been sick hardly a day in their lives. They never get colds, never get the flu, have all their body parts and are real go getters. I have one son who drink milks and lives on cheese and veggie pizzas I think. My husband works 14 hours a day at hard labour, never drinks milk, wouldn't touch soy if he was dying (he plants soy for the cows and insists it is only cow fodder not fit for humans) and lives on peanut butter, whole grain breads and vegetable based foods. Oh and popcorn. Gosh we go through a lot of popcorn. He hasn't been sick with anything since he had his hernia operation in 1985. So I wouldn't be beating yourself up over what you are or aren't feeding your kids. If they don't like soy or grains, don't give them any. Make it up in stuff they like. I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried and true. If you would like them, just email me at diamyst and I will send them on. Heather in Ontario ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* " When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R. Pirsig " HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. " Go Veggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 It would be wonderful if you would share them here with the list. Many of us have picky eaters in our homes, and some of us ARE picky eaters still! *lol* So you don't use the soy-based veggie " meats " in your cooking, but rather make your own from beans? I confess I am quite lazy and use the soy convenience foods, but would be also interested in your recipes for unmeats made from beans. ~ PT ~ Sometimes you have to be silent to be heard. ~ Stanislaw J. Lec ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~> , diamyst@a... wrote: > I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried and true. > If you would like them, just email me at diamyst@a... and I will send them > on. > > Heather in Ontario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 " Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages, salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas, veggie stews, baked taters, etc. " Hi Heather...all of these sound great. I am very interested in your " bean sausages " . What is that and how do you make it? Thanks for any info. about them. Cheers, Shawn Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live on nothing but food and water. - W.C. Fields ----Original Message Follows---- diamyst Pet foods, kids food, long. Sat, 31 May 2003 09:06:33 EDT Hello all. I am fairly new to the list but I do read all the posts. I have replies to several posts in the digest. I have spent 22 years working in the pet food industry in one way or another. As some one who lives in a farming community, married to a dairy herdsman I had a couple of comments about dead cows and where they go. Not a great subject but it relates to the pet food industry. Sick, dying or dead cows, pigs etc go to the pet food guys. Let's face it. They have to go somewhere. Now PERSONALLY, I would like to see animals that have served a farmer well all their lives be given a decent burial in the back forty. Unfortunately they are not and they end up in the pet food industry. Since the cows or whatever are dead anyway, I see no point in wasting the byproducts ie, hides, hooves etc. Waste not want not as they say. I HATE to see this crap put into the food our animals eat. Much better they make glue or shoes out of it. Dogs being omnivores can subsist quite nicely on a vegetarian diet providing they have a good vitamin supplement and some serious protein (not animal protein) for hair and muscles developement. Our dogs love veggies, mostly cooked, and anything that is grain based. They aren't much fussy on beans. Cats are a whole other ballgame because they are carnivores and in the wild they DO NOT eat non-meat products. They don't even eat the bones. Dogs love bones though. I have seen many vegetarians and vegans place their animals on plant based diets. The cats don't fair well unless they have owners that are giving supplements to provide all those weird and wonderful enzymes, minerals and the like that cats can't do without. Inflicting our personal views on our families is one thing, they can tell you take a hike and visit McDonalds when you're not looking. Inflicting them on animals who can't make that trip to the grocery store for themselves in not nice. As pet owners we have a responsibility to do what is best for our animals for their optimum health both mentally and physically. In my humble opinion anyway. As for kids and veggie foods, I guess it's a matter of trial an error. I hate brown rice and anything that tastes " wheaty " I have tried for years to eat kasha and bulgur and brown rice and all those grainy things and gee, I just don't have the tastebuds for them. I do love beans though and make a lot of things with them - sausages, patties for the bbq, bean balls, etc. They are wonderful. We are ovo-lacto although non of us drink milk. We use cheese though and yogurt, sour cream, mayo (nix the soya one) and cream cheese. And eggs. Get 'em locally from a farmer who loves his chickens and they produce great big brown ones with iron tough shells the way eggs are supposed to be. Lunches at our house tend to be sandwiches or home made soups or both. Non of which contain tofu or anything that even remotely resembles it. I don't care for it either. Veggie pita pockets, grilled cheese, toasted tomato with sprouts, cream cheese on rye with sprouts, egg salad, cheese and tomato, cucumber, etc Soups are usually tomato based with lots of nice big veggie chunks and pasta in them. Sometimes I make tiny dumplings to go in the soup, mostly for the winter. Breakfasts are just toast for me and my DD loves oatmeal, DS has to have cereal. He does like milk in his cereal. I drink Chocolate soy milk simply because I love the taste. Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages, salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas, veggie stews, baked taters, etc. Everything is from the local grocery store. My husband has no idea we don't eat meat. Although I think he might be getting suspicious. LOL. So if you have kids that are balking at the more unusual foods, don't feed 'em any. It is not necessary. They can get perfectly good nutrition and enough protein in regular meals that you have simply removed meat from. I have 3, now adult children, two of which have never drank milk and wouldn't dream of eating anything that contained soy that have not been sick hardly a day in their lives. They never get colds, never get the flu, have all their body parts and are real go getters. I have one son who drink milks and lives on cheese and veggie pizzas I think. My husband works 14 hours a day at hard labour, never drinks milk, wouldn't touch soy if he was dying (he plants soy for the cows and insists it is only cow fodder not fit for humans) and lives on peanut butter, whole grain breads and vegetable based foods. Oh and popcorn. Gosh we go through a lot of popcorn. He hasn't been sick with anything since he had his hernia operation in 1985. So I wouldn't be beating yourself up over what you are or aren't feeding your kids. If they don't like soy or grains, don't give them any. Make it up in stuff they like. I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried and true. If you would like them, just email me at diamyst and I will send them on. Heather in Ontario ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* " When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R. Pirsig " HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. " Go Veggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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