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Hello all. I am fairly new to the list but I do read all the posts. I have

replies to several posts in the digest. I have spent 22 years working in the

pet food industry in one way or another.

 

As some one who lives in a farming community, married to a dairy herdsman I

had a couple of comments about dead cows and where they go. Not a great

subject but it relates to the pet food industry. Sick, dying or dead cows,

pigs

etc go to the pet food guys. Let's face it. They have to go somewhere. Now

PERSONALLY, I would like to see animals that have served a farmer well all

their lives be given a decent burial in the back forty. Unfortunately they are

not and they end up in the pet food industry. Since the cows or whatever are

dead anyway, I see no point in wasting the byproducts ie, hides, hooves etc.

Waste not want not as they say. I HATE to see this crap put into the food our

animals eat. Much better they make glue or shoes out of it.

 

Dogs being omnivores can subsist quite nicely on a vegetarian diet providing

they have a good vitamin supplement and some serious protein (not animal

protein) for hair and muscles developement. Our dogs love veggies, mostly

cooked,

and anything that is grain based. They aren't much fussy on beans.

 

Cats are a whole other ballgame because they are carnivores and in the wild

they DO NOT eat non-meat products. They don't even eat the bones. Dogs love

bones though. I have seen many vegetarians and vegans place their animals on

plant based diets. The cats don't fair well unless they have owners that are

giving supplements to provide all those weird and wonderful enzymes, minerals

and the like that cats can't do without. Inflicting our personal views on

our families is one thing, they can tell you take a hike and visit McDonalds

when you're not looking. Inflicting them on animals who can't make that trip to

the grocery store for themselves in not nice. As pet owners we have a

responsibility to do what is best for our animals for their optimum health both

mentally and physically. In my humble opinion anyway.

 

As for kids and veggie foods, I guess it's a matter of trial an error. I

hate brown rice and anything that tastes " wheaty " I have tried for years to eat

kasha and bulgur and brown rice and all those grainy things and gee, I just

don't have the tastebuds for them. I do love beans though and make a lot of

things with them - sausages, patties for the bbq, bean balls, etc. They are

wonderful. We are ovo-lacto although non of us drink milk. We use cheese

though and yogurt, sour cream, mayo (nix the soya one) and cream cheese. And

eggs. Get 'em locally from a farmer who loves his chickens and they produce

great

big brown ones with iron tough shells the way eggs are supposed to be.

 

Lunches at our house tend to be sandwiches or home made soups or both. Non

of which contain tofu or anything that even remotely resembles it. I don't

care for it either.

 

Veggie pita pockets, grilled cheese, toasted tomato with sprouts, cream

cheese on rye with sprouts, egg salad, cheese and tomato, cucumber, etc Soups

are usually tomato based with lots of nice big veggie chunks and pasta in them.

Sometimes I make tiny dumplings to go in the soup, mostly for the winter.

 

Breakfasts are just toast for me and my DD loves oatmeal, DS has to have

cereal. He does like milk in his cereal. I drink Chocolate soy milk simply

because I love the taste.

 

Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages,

salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas, veggie

stews, baked taters, etc. Everything is from the local grocery store. My

husband has no idea we don't eat meat. Although I think he might be getting

suspicious. LOL.

 

So if you have kids that are balking at the more unusual foods, don't feed

'em any. It is not necessary. They can get perfectly good nutrition and enough

protein in regular meals that you have simply removed meat from. I have 3,

now adult children, two of which have never drank milk and wouldn't dream of

eating anything that contained soy that have not been sick hardly a day in

their lives. They never get colds, never get the flu, have all their body parts

and are real go getters. I have one son who drink milks and lives on cheese

and veggie pizzas I think.

 

My husband works 14 hours a day at hard labour, never drinks milk, wouldn't

touch soy if he was dying (he plants soy for the cows and insists it is only

cow fodder not fit for humans) and lives on peanut butter, whole grain breads

and vegetable based foods. Oh and popcorn. Gosh we go through a lot of

popcorn. He hasn't been sick with anything since he had his hernia operation in

1985.

 

So I wouldn't be beating yourself up over what you are or aren't feeding

your kids. If they don't like soy or grains, don't give them any. Make it up

in

stuff they like.

 

I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried and true.

If you would like them, just email me at diamyst and I will send them

on.

 

Heather in Ontario

 

 

 

 

 

 

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" When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that

thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R.

Pirsig

 

" HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. "

Go Veggie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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DD and DS? You're a flylady member aren't you!! So am I!

 

Janice

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for they shall never cease to be amused.

 

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diamyst

 

Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:06 AM

Pet foods, kids food, long.

 

 

Hello all. I am fairly new to the list but I do read all the posts. I have

replies to several posts in the digest. I have spent 22 years working in the

pet food industry in one way or another.

 

As some one who lives in a farming community, married to a dairy herdsman I

had a couple of comments about dead cows and where they go. Not a great

subject but it relates to the pet food industry. Sick, dying or dead cows,

pigs

etc go to the pet food guys. Let's face it. They have to go somewhere. Now

PERSONALLY, I would like to see animals that have served a farmer well all

their lives be given a decent burial in the back forty. Unfortunately they are

not and they end up in the pet food industry. Since the cows or whatever are

dead anyway, I see no point in wasting the byproducts ie, hides, hooves etc.

Waste not want not as they say. I HATE to see this crap put into the food our

animals eat. Much better they make glue or shoes out of it.

 

Dogs being omnivores can subsist quite nicely on a vegetarian diet providing

they have a good vitamin supplement and some serious protein (not animal

protein) for hair and muscles developement. Our dogs love veggies, mostly

cooked,

and anything that is grain based. They aren't much fussy on beans.

 

Cats are a whole other ballgame because they are carnivores and in the wild

they DO NOT eat non-meat products. They don't even eat the bones. Dogs love

bones though. I have seen many vegetarians and vegans place their animals on

plant based diets. The cats don't fair well unless they have owners that are

giving supplements to provide all those weird and wonderful enzymes, minerals

and the like that cats can't do without. Inflicting our personal views on

our families is one thing, they can tell you take a hike and visit McDonalds

when you're not looking. Inflicting them on animals who can't make that trip to

the grocery store for themselves in not nice. As pet owners we have a

responsibility to do what is best for our animals for their optimum health both

mentally and physically. In my humble opinion anyway.

 

As for kids and veggie foods, I guess it's a matter of trial an error. I

hate brown rice and anything that tastes " wheaty " I have tried for years to eat

kasha and bulgur and brown rice and all those grainy things and gee, I just

don't have the tastebuds for them. I do love beans though and make a lot of

things with them - sausages, patties for the bbq, bean balls, etc. They are

wonderful. We are ovo-lacto although non of us drink milk. We use cheese

though and yogurt, sour cream, mayo (nix the soya one) and cream cheese. And

eggs. Get 'em locally from a farmer who loves his chickens and they produce

great

big brown ones with iron tough shells the way eggs are supposed to be.

 

Lunches at our house tend to be sandwiches or home made soups or both. Non

of which contain tofu or anything that even remotely resembles it. I don't

care for it either.

 

Veggie pita pockets, grilled cheese, toasted tomato with sprouts, cream

cheese on rye with sprouts, egg salad, cheese and tomato, cucumber, etc Soups

are usually tomato based with lots of nice big veggie chunks and pasta in them.

Sometimes I make tiny dumplings to go in the soup, mostly for the winter.

 

Breakfasts are just toast for me and my DD loves oatmeal, DS has to have

cereal. He does like milk in his cereal. I drink Chocolate soy milk simply

because I love the taste.

 

Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages,

salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas, veggie

stews, baked taters, etc. Everything is from the local grocery store. My

husband has no idea we don't eat meat. Although I think he might be getting

suspicious. LOL.

 

So if you have kids that are balking at the more unusual foods, don't feed

'em any. It is not necessary. They can get perfectly good nutrition and enough

protein in regular meals that you have simply removed meat from. I have 3,

now adult children, two of which have never drank milk and wouldn't dream of

eating anything that contained soy that have not been sick hardly a day in

their lives. They never get colds, never get the flu, have all their body parts

and are real go getters. I have one son who drink milks and lives on cheese

and veggie pizzas I think.

 

My husband works 14 hours a day at hard labour, never drinks milk, wouldn't

touch soy if he was dying (he plants soy for the cows and insists it is only

cow fodder not fit for humans) and lives on peanut butter, whole grain breads

and vegetable based foods. Oh and popcorn. Gosh we go through a lot of

popcorn. He hasn't been sick with anything since he had his hernia operation in

1985.

 

So I wouldn't be beating yourself up over what you are or aren't feeding

your kids. If they don't like soy or grains, don't give them any. Make it up

in

stuff they like.

 

I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried and true.

If you would like them, just email me at diamyst and I will send them

on.

 

Heather in Ontario

 

 

 

 

 

 

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

 

" When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that

thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R.

Pirsig

 

" HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. "

Go Veggie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It would be wonderful if you would share them here

with the list. Many of us have picky eaters in our homes,

and some of us ARE picky eaters still! *lol*

 

So you don't use the soy-based veggie " meats " in

your cooking, but rather make your own from beans?

I confess I am quite lazy and use the soy convenience

foods, but would be also interested in your recipes

for unmeats made from beans. :)

 

~ PT ~

 

Sometimes you have to be silent to be heard.

~ Stanislaw J. Lec

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, diamyst@a... wrote:

 

> I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried

and true.

> If you would like them, just email me at diamyst@a... and I will

send them

> on.

>

> Heather in Ontario

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" Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages,

salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas,

veggie stews, baked taters, etc. "

 

Hi Heather...all of these sound great. I am very interested in your " bean

sausages " . What is that and how do you make it? Thanks for any info. about

them.

 

Cheers,

Shawn

 

 

 

Once, during Prohibition, I was forced to live on nothing but food and

water.

- W.C. Fields

 

 

 

 

 

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diamyst

 

 

Pet foods, kids food, long.

Sat, 31 May 2003 09:06:33 EDT

 

Hello all. I am fairly new to the list but I do read all the posts. I

have

replies to several posts in the digest. I have spent 22 years working in

the

pet food industry in one way or another.

 

As some one who lives in a farming community, married to a dairy herdsman I

had a couple of comments about dead cows and where they go. Not a great

subject but it relates to the pet food industry. Sick, dying or dead cows,

pigs

etc go to the pet food guys. Let's face it. They have to go somewhere.

Now

PERSONALLY, I would like to see animals that have served a farmer well all

their lives be given a decent burial in the back forty. Unfortunately they

are

not and they end up in the pet food industry. Since the cows or whatever

are

dead anyway, I see no point in wasting the byproducts ie, hides, hooves etc.

Waste not want not as they say. I HATE to see this crap put into the food

our

animals eat. Much better they make glue or shoes out of it.

 

Dogs being omnivores can subsist quite nicely on a vegetarian diet providing

they have a good vitamin supplement and some serious protein (not animal

protein) for hair and muscles developement. Our dogs love veggies, mostly

cooked,

and anything that is grain based. They aren't much fussy on beans.

 

Cats are a whole other ballgame because they are carnivores and in the wild

they DO NOT eat non-meat products. They don't even eat the bones. Dogs

love

bones though. I have seen many vegetarians and vegans place their animals

on

plant based diets. The cats don't fair well unless they have owners that

are

giving supplements to provide all those weird and wonderful enzymes,

minerals

and the like that cats can't do without. Inflicting our personal views on

our families is one thing, they can tell you take a hike and visit McDonalds

when you're not looking. Inflicting them on animals who can't make that

trip to

the grocery store for themselves in not nice. As pet owners we have a

responsibility to do what is best for our animals for their optimum health

both

mentally and physically. In my humble opinion anyway.

 

As for kids and veggie foods, I guess it's a matter of trial an error. I

hate brown rice and anything that tastes " wheaty " I have tried for years to

eat

kasha and bulgur and brown rice and all those grainy things and gee, I just

don't have the tastebuds for them. I do love beans though and make a lot of

things with them - sausages, patties for the bbq, bean balls, etc. They

are

wonderful. We are ovo-lacto although non of us drink milk. We use cheese

though and yogurt, sour cream, mayo (nix the soya one) and cream cheese.

And

eggs. Get 'em locally from a farmer who loves his chickens and they produce

great

big brown ones with iron tough shells the way eggs are supposed to be.

 

Lunches at our house tend to be sandwiches or home made soups or both. Non

of which contain tofu or anything that even remotely resembles it. I don't

care for it either.

 

Veggie pita pockets, grilled cheese, toasted tomato with sprouts, cream

cheese on rye with sprouts, egg salad, cheese and tomato, cucumber, etc

Soups

are usually tomato based with lots of nice big veggie chunks and pasta in

them.

Sometimes I make tiny dumplings to go in the soup, mostly for the winter.

 

Breakfasts are just toast for me and my DD loves oatmeal, DS has to have

cereal. He does like milk in his cereal. I drink Chocolate soy milk simply

because I love the taste.

 

Suppers are a meatless loaf of some kind, meatless balls, bean sausages,

salads with egg and cheese chunks, cassaroles with cheese, veggie pizzas,

veggie

stews, baked taters, etc. Everything is from the local grocery store. My

husband has no idea we don't eat meat. Although I think he might be getting

suspicious. LOL.

 

So if you have kids that are balking at the more unusual foods, don't feed

'em any. It is not necessary. They can get perfectly good nutrition and

enough

protein in regular meals that you have simply removed meat from. I have 3,

now adult children, two of which have never drank milk and wouldn't dream of

eating anything that contained soy that have not been sick hardly a day in

their lives. They never get colds, never get the flu, have all their body

parts

and are real go getters. I have one son who drink milks and lives on cheese

and veggie pizzas I think.

 

My husband works 14 hours a day at hard labour, never drinks milk, wouldn't

touch soy if he was dying (he plants soy for the cows and insists it is only

cow fodder not fit for humans) and lives on peanut butter, whole grain

breads

and vegetable based foods. Oh and popcorn. Gosh we go through a lot of

popcorn. He hasn't been sick with anything since he had his hernia

operation in

1985.

 

So I wouldn't be beating yourself up over what you are or aren't feeding

your kids. If they don't like soy or grains, don't give them any. Make it

up in

stuff they like.

 

I have a bunch of recipes out kids liked as younguns. All tried and true.

If you would like them, just email me at diamyst and I will send

them

on.

 

Heather in Ontario

 

 

 

 

 

 

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

 

" When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind

that

thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R.

Pirsig

 

" HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a

pig. "

Go Veggie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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