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Hi everyone,

 

I need a little bit of help reading food labels. I know that Oreo cookies are

renowned for having animal fat in them, but how about the generic types? My

husband returned from the store with " chocolate sandwich cookies " and I can't

tell if they're vegetarian or not.

 

The fat is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil shortening (containing soybean

or cottonseed oil) which sounds okay enough (other than being immensely

unhealthy and junky), but how about " natural and artifical flavor " ? What might

that mean? Is there a general rule to follow for ingredients?

 

I don't mind a tiny bit of non-veggie items getting past me unnoticed

occasionally -- like unknowingly eating cheese made from rennet -- but the less,

the better.

 

Thanks a lot!

 

Tempest

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi everyone,

 

I need a little bit of help reading food labels. I know that Oreo cookies are

renowned for having animal fat in them, but how about the generic types? My

husband returned from the store with " chocolate sandwich cookies " and I can't

tell if they're vegetarian or not.

 

The fat is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil shortening (containing soybean

or cottonseed oil) which sounds okay enough (other than being immensely

unhealthy and junky), but how about " natural and artifical flavor " ? What might

that mean? Is there a general rule to follow for ingredients?

 

I don't mind a tiny bit of non-veggie items getting past me unnoticed

occasionally -- like unknowingly eating cheese made from rennet -- but the less,

the better.

 

Thanks a lot!

 

Tempest

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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if oreos are known for animal fat, it isn't the fault of manufacturer

nabisco.

 

the recipe USED TO include animal fat, but hasn't for several years.

there is some concern to vegetarians and other groups, however, as

indicated in this entry from the food product design webpage

(http://www.foodproductdesign.com/):

 

" Once shunned by kosher consumers, vegetarians and others loathe to

ingest lard, Oreo cookies have been manufactured exclusively with

vegetable shortening for several years now. The only remaining

obstacle has been that some of the equipment used before the

reformulation has not yet been replaced. "

 

the amount of animal lard ingested by consumers of oreos from this

machinery is virtually infinitesimal.

 

thus it boils down to matters of principle: either one shuns oreos

for not completely renovating their production facilities or one

rewards nabisco for responding to the desires of vegetarian consumers.

i quite happily eat oreos.

 

so, as i've shown, once upon a time vegetarians couldn't in good

conscience eat oreos. this was not the case with the sunshine bakery

company's hydrox (the original chocolate sandwich cookie, predating

the nabisco brand), which has always been made with vegetable

shortening/oils only. in 1996, however, nabisco bought out sunshine,

refomulated the hydrox recipe, and re-introduced the cookie

as " keebler droxies " . not to worry, though: by that time the oreo

recipe had been altered, too, and it no longer contained lard.

 

to answer your question about other brands--at least in the case of

sandwich cookies--lard will be listed as precisely what it is.

according to the food and drug adminstration's food labeling

act, " The source of all fats and oils must be specified (for example,

soybean oil rather than vegetable oil; lard rather than shortening). "

certain enzymes, such as rennet, can be animal derived, but these

have no place in sandwich cookies.

 

this is not the case with " natural flavor " or " natural flavoring " ,

which has often been used to mask animal-derived ingerdients. this is

not only of concern to vegetarians and those of certain religions,

but individuals with food allergies as well. in the case of the

cookies in question it is unlikely that the ingredients are animal-

derived, but there is no guarantee that this is the case.

 

you may be interested to know that the vegetarian legal action

network (http://www.veggielawyers.org/) has sponsored a petitions

aimed at altering the fda's food labeling acts, in particular 21

C.F.R. § 101.22(h), which specifically defines the parameters

of " natural " ingredients.

 

hope all this info didn't overwhelm you.

 

 

 

, TempestuousTrollop

<tempestuoustrollop> wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need a little bit of help reading food labels. I know that Oreo

cookies are renowned for having animal fat in them, but how about the

generic types? My husband returned from the store with " chocolate

sandwich cookies " and I can't tell if they're vegetarian or not.

>

> The fat is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil shortening

(containing soybean or cottonseed oil) which sounds okay enough

(other than being immensely unhealthy and junky), but how

about " natural and artifical flavor " ? What might that mean? Is

there a general rule to follow for ingredients?

>

> I don't mind a tiny bit of non-veggie items getting past me

unnoticed occasionally -- like unknowingly eating cheese made from

rennet -- but the less, the better.

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

> Tempest

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What's got me hot under the collar about oreo's (my FAVE by the way) is not the

potential of animal fat- but apparently the little buggers are loaded with trans

fat. So much so that there was some flap about a lawsuit because this wasn't on

the label.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but transfat is the worst of the fats, and is what

happens when you try to take an innocent plant oil and make it act like a lard

or butter. I think even margerine contains transfat, but may be completely

mistaken.

 

Jimi 45 <jimi45_skin wrote:

if oreos are known for animal fat, it isn't the fault of manufacturer

nabisco.

 

the recipe USED TO include animal fat, but hasn't for several years.

there is some concern to vegetarians and other groups, however, as

indicated in this entry from the food product design webpage

(http://www.foodproductdesign.com/):

 

" Once shunned by kosher consumers, vegetarians and others loathe to

ingest lard, Oreo cookies have been manufactured exclusively with

vegetable shortening for several years now. The only remaining

obstacle has been that some of the equipment used before the

reformulation has not yet been replaced. "

 

the amount of animal lard ingested by consumers of oreos from this

machinery is virtually infinitesimal.

 

thus it boils down to matters of principle: either one shuns oreos

for not completely renovating their production facilities or one

rewards nabisco for responding to the desires of vegetarian consumers.

i quite happily eat oreos.

 

so, as i've shown, once upon a time vegetarians couldn't in good

conscience eat oreos. this was not the case with the sunshine bakery

company's hydrox (the original chocolate sandwich cookie, predating

the nabisco brand), which has always been made with vegetable

shortening/oils only. in 1996, however, nabisco bought out sunshine,

refomulated the hydrox recipe, and re-introduced the cookie

as " keebler droxies " . not to worry, though: by that time the oreo

recipe had been altered, too, and it no longer contained lard.

 

to answer your question about other brands--at least in the case of

sandwich cookies--lard will be listed as precisely what it is.

according to the food and drug adminstration's food labeling

act, " The source of all fats and oils must be specified (for example,

soybean oil rather than vegetable oil; lard rather than shortening). "

certain enzymes, such as rennet, can be animal derived, but these

have no place in sandwich cookies.

 

this is not the case with " natural flavor " or " natural flavoring " ,

which has often been used to mask animal-derived ingerdients. this is

not only of concern to vegetarians and those of certain religions,

but individuals with food allergies as well. in the case of the

cookies in question it is unlikely that the ingredients are animal-

derived, but there is no guarantee that this is the case.

 

you may be interested to know that the vegetarian legal action

network (http://www.veggielawyers.org/) has sponsored a petitions

aimed at altering the fda's food labeling acts, in particular 21

C.F.R. § 101.22(h), which specifically defines the parameters

of " natural " ingredients.

 

hope all this info didn't overwhelm you.

 

 

 

, TempestuousTrollop

<tempestuoustrollop> wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need a little bit of help reading food labels. I know that Oreo

cookies are renowned for having animal fat in them, but how about the

generic types? My husband returned from the store with " chocolate

sandwich cookies " and I can't tell if they're vegetarian or not.

>

> The fat is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil shortening

(containing soybean or cottonseed oil) which sounds okay enough

(other than being immensely unhealthy and junky), but how

about " natural and artifical flavor " ? What might that mean? Is

there a general rule to follow for ingredients?

>

> I don't mind a tiny bit of non-veggie items getting past me

unnoticed occasionally -- like unknowingly eating cheese made from

rennet -- but the less, the better.

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

> Tempest

 

 

 

 

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You're right about the trans fats.

 

Janice

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves,

for they shall never cease to be amused.

 

-

" starfrog " <starfrog1969

 

Sunday, June 01, 2003 3:22 AM

Re: Re: Oreo cookies and food labels

 

 

What's got me hot under the collar about oreo's (my FAVE by the way) is not

the potential of animal fat- but apparently the little buggers are loaded

with trans fat. So much so that there was some flap about a lawsuit because

this wasn't on the label.

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but transfat is the worst of the fats, and is

what happens when you try to take an innocent plant oil and make it act like

a lard or butter. I think even margerine contains transfat, but may be

completely mistaken.

 

Jimi 45 <jimi45_skin wrote:

if oreos are known for animal fat, it isn't the fault of manufacturer

nabisco.

 

the recipe USED TO include animal fat, but hasn't for several years.

there is some concern to vegetarians and other groups, however, as

indicated in this entry from the food product design webpage

(http://www.foodproductdesign.com/):

 

" Once shunned by kosher consumers, vegetarians and others loathe to

ingest lard, Oreo cookies have been manufactured exclusively with

vegetable shortening for several years now. The only remaining

obstacle has been that some of the equipment used before the

reformulation has not yet been replaced. "

 

the amount of animal lard ingested by consumers of oreos from this

machinery is virtually infinitesimal.

 

thus it boils down to matters of principle: either one shuns oreos

for not completely renovating their production facilities or one

rewards nabisco for responding to the desires of vegetarian consumers.

i quite happily eat oreos.

 

so, as i've shown, once upon a time vegetarians couldn't in good

conscience eat oreos. this was not the case with the sunshine bakery

company's hydrox (the original chocolate sandwich cookie, predating

the nabisco brand), which has always been made with vegetable

shortening/oils only. in 1996, however, nabisco bought out sunshine,

refomulated the hydrox recipe, and re-introduced the cookie

as " keebler droxies " . not to worry, though: by that time the oreo

recipe had been altered, too, and it no longer contained lard.

 

to answer your question about other brands--at least in the case of

sandwich cookies--lard will be listed as precisely what it is.

according to the food and drug adminstration's food labeling

act, " The source of all fats and oils must be specified (for example,

soybean oil rather than vegetable oil; lard rather than shortening). "

certain enzymes, such as rennet, can be animal derived, but these

have no place in sandwich cookies.

 

this is not the case with " natural flavor " or " natural flavoring " ,

which has often been used to mask animal-derived ingerdients. this is

not only of concern to vegetarians and those of certain religions,

but individuals with food allergies as well. in the case of the

cookies in question it is unlikely that the ingredients are animal-

derived, but there is no guarantee that this is the case.

 

you may be interested to know that the vegetarian legal action

network (http://www.veggielawyers.org/) has sponsored a petitions

aimed at altering the fda's food labeling acts, in particular 21

C.F.R. § 101.22(h), which specifically defines the parameters

of " natural " ingredients.

 

hope all this info didn't overwhelm you.

 

 

 

, TempestuousTrollop

<tempestuoustrollop> wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need a little bit of help reading food labels. I know that Oreo

cookies are renowned for having animal fat in them, but how about the

generic types? My husband returned from the store with " chocolate

sandwich cookies " and I can't tell if they're vegetarian or not.

>

> The fat is partially hydrogenated vegetable oil shortening

(containing soybean or cottonseed oil) which sounds okay enough

(other than being immensely unhealthy and junky), but how

about " natural and artifical flavor " ? What might that mean? Is

there a general rule to follow for ingredients?

>

> I don't mind a tiny bit of non-veggie items getting past me

unnoticed occasionally -- like unknowingly eating cheese made from

rennet -- but the less, the better.

>

> Thanks a lot!

>

> Tempest

 

 

 

 

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Not only are they loaded with transfat, but they

are loaded with genetically modified fats as

well.

http://www.truefoodnow.org/gmo_facts/product_list/cookies.html

 

Above is a link to Greenpeace's list of foods

containing genetically modified ingredients. Of

course the above link is to the " cookies "

section. You can access the rest of it from

there.

 

 

--- starfrog <starfrog1969 wrote:

> What's got me hot under the collar about oreo's

> (my FAVE by the way) is not the potential of

> animal fat- but apparently the little buggers

> are loaded with trans fat. So much so that

> there was some flap about a lawsuit because

> this wasn't on the label.

>

> Correct me if I am wrong, but transfat is the

> worst of the fats, and is what happens when

> you try to take an innocent plant oil and make

> it act like a lard or butter. I think even

> margerine contains transfat, but may be

> completely mistaken.

>

> Jimi 45 <jimi45_skin wrote:

> if oreos are known for animal fat, it isn't the

> fault of manufacturer

> nabisco.

>

> the recipe USED TO include animal fat, but

> hasn't for several years.

> there is some concern to vegetarians and other

> groups, however, as

> indicated in this entry from the food product

> design webpage

> (http://www.foodproductdesign.com/):

>

> " Once shunned by kosher consumers, vegetarians

> and others loathe to

> ingest lard, Oreo cookies have been

> manufactured exclusively with

> vegetable shortening for several years now. The

> only remaining

> obstacle has been that some of the equipment

> used before the

> reformulation has not yet been replaced. "

>

> the amount of animal lard ingested by consumers

> of oreos from this

> machinery is virtually infinitesimal.

>

> thus it boils down to matters of principle:

> either one shuns oreos

> for not completely renovating their production

> facilities or one

> rewards nabisco for responding to the desires

> of vegetarian consumers.

> i quite happily eat oreos.

>

> so, as i've shown, once upon a time vegetarians

> couldn't in good

> conscience eat oreos. this was not the case

> with the sunshine bakery

> company's hydrox (the original chocolate

> sandwich cookie, predating

> the nabisco brand), which has always been made

> with vegetable

> shortening/oils only. in 1996, however, nabisco

> bought out sunshine,

> refomulated the hydrox recipe, and

> re-introduced the cookie

> as " keebler droxies " . not to worry, though: by

> that time the oreo

> recipe had been altered, too, and it no longer

> contained lard.

>

> to answer your question about other brands--at

> least in the case of

> sandwich cookies--lard will be listed as

> precisely what it is.

> according to the food and drug adminstration's

> food labeling

> act, " The source of all fats and oils must be

> specified (for example,

> soybean oil rather than vegetable oil; lard

> rather than shortening). "

> certain enzymes, such as rennet, can be animal

> derived, but these

> have no place in sandwich cookies.

>

> this is not the case with " natural flavor " or

> " natural flavoring " ,

> which has often been used to mask

> animal-derived ingerdients. this is

> not only of concern to vegetarians and those of

> certain religions,

> but individuals with food allergies as well. in

> the case of the

> cookies in question it is unlikely that the

> ingredients are animal-

> derived, but there is no guarantee that this is

> the case.

>

> you may be interested to know that the

> vegetarian legal action

> network (http://www.veggielawyers.org/) has

> sponsored a petitions

> aimed at altering the fda's food labeling acts,

> in particular 21

> C.F.R. § 101.22(h), which specifically defines

> the parameters

> of " natural " ingredients.

>

> hope all this info didn't overwhelm you.

>

>

>

> ,

> TempestuousTrollop

> <tempestuoustrollop> wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I need a little bit of help reading food

> labels. I know that Oreo

> cookies are renowned for having animal fat in

> them, but how about the

> generic types? My husband returned from the

> store with " chocolate

> sandwich cookies " and I can't tell if they're

> vegetarian or not.

> >

> > The fat is partially hydrogenated vegetable

> oil shortening

> (containing soybean or cottonseed oil) which

> sounds okay enough

> (other than being immensely unhealthy and

> junky), but how

> about " natural and artifical flavor " ? What

> might that mean? Is

> there a general rule to follow for ingredients?

> >

> > I don't mind a tiny bit of non-veggie items

> getting past me

> unnoticed occasionally -- like unknowingly

> eating cheese made from

> rennet -- but the less, the better.

> >

> > Thanks a lot!

> >

> > Tempest

>

>

>

>

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yup. still bad for you.

 

the transfats and tropical fats replaced animal fat, but by no means

did it make them any healthier.

 

there are two basic categories for fats: unsaturated and saturated.

unsaturated fats further break down into mono- and poly-unsaturated

categories.

 

but saturated by what?

 

mono- and poly-, meaning what of " one " and " many " represent that

something.

 

it's hydrogen.

 

the more hydrogen bonds, the more saturated a molecule becomes.

 

transfats or transfatty acids are fats which have been modified on a

molecular level from one category to, or near to, another category.

essentially, an unsaturated fat is turned into a saturated fat. by

adding hydrogen atoms to vegetable oils, they can mimic saturated

animal fats.

 

why is this done?

 

for several reasons.

 

*adding hydrogen to fat molecules raises the melting temperature of

that fat. thus, a vegetable oil which is unsuited to baking needs can

now be of use, and without the cholesterol of saturated animal fats.

(is this necessarily good? no. not all cholesterol is bad, and

without " good " cholesterol the body is bereft of an important blood-

cleansing agent.)

 

*hydrogenated fats give the consumer a sensation of " fullness " .

psychologically, they are more rewarding, as they trick the body and

the palate into thinking that they ahve gotten the more complete fats

they crave. this isn't necessarily good in modern diets, but there

you have it. humans also crave " sweet " constantly, but neither is

this particularly good in the modern diet.

 

*hydrogenated fats replace costly " tropical " oils (palm kernel,

coconut, etc), which are rare examples of plant-derived saturated

fats.

 

now read this, from " food technology " magazine [march 1998]:

 

" Emerging data suggest that trans fatty acids may raise blood

levels of LDL cholesterol to much the same extent as saturated fatty

acids. In addition, recent epidemiological studies indicate that

trans fatty acid intake is associated with incidence of heart

disease, and that the type, not the amount, of fat in the diet

contributes to the risk of this disease. The take-away message for

consumers is that trans fat and saturated fat should be at least

partially replaced by monoand polyunsaturated fats in the diet. "

 

transfats give the appearace of healthier alternatives, but they are

not. and, yes, they appear to be worse than naturally occurring

saturated fats.

 

they do show up on ingredients as " hydrogenated " or " partially

hydrogenates " oils.

 

i'll still eat my oreos.

 

oh, and here's a decent thumbnail breakdown of fats if you're

interested: http://health./health/encyclopedia/002468/0.html

 

 

 

, " ~Janice Macak~ "

<serenity1@m...> wrote:

> You're right about the trans fats.

>

> Janice

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Blessed are those who can laugh at themselves,

> for they shall never cease to be amused.

>

> -

> " starfrog " <starfrog1969>

>

> Sunday, June 01, 2003 3:22 AM

> Re: Re: Oreo cookies and food labels

>

>

> What's got me hot under the collar about oreo's (my FAVE by the

way) is not

> the potential of animal fat- but apparently the little buggers are

loaded

> with trans fat. So much so that there was some flap about a

lawsuit because

> this wasn't on the label.

>

> Correct me if I am wrong, but transfat is the worst of the fats,

and is

> what happens when you try to take an innocent plant oil and make it

act like

> a lard or butter. I think even margerine contains transfat, but

may be

> completely mistaken.

>

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Yeah, me too, just eat way less of them. *lol*

Your post on fats was very informative. Thanks. :)

 

~ PT ~

 

Learn how to be happy with what you have while you pursue

all that you want.

~ Jim Rohn

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~>

, " Jimi 45 "

<jimi45_skin>

wrote:

> yup. still bad for you.

 

> i'll still eat my oreos.

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