Not thin in veggie land.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/13/03 6:36:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ssarndt writes:

 

> (I'm also living proof of the THIN vegetarian

> myth.) I like to point out that some of the largest animals on the

> planet are vegetarians: cows included and that it's not true that

> you will lose weight!

 

Truer words were never spoken. My family is living proof that being a veggie

does NOT make you thin. <sigh> And I was soooo hoping it might, <grin>

 

Heather in Ontario

 

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" When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that

thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R.

Pirsig

 

" HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. "

Go Veggie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I was kind of thinking that being vegan might, but the more I hear

about that Adkins diet, the more I think it's the carbs. I don't

LIKE the Adkins diet, but I think there is some truth behind carbs

fattening you up. You know how cows eat grass? Well, when they

want to fatten them up, they feed them none other than GRAIN, AKA:

carbs!!

I went to Japan years ago when I still ate meat and had a hamburger

(ugh, the words " I ate " and hamburger not having been said in the

same sentence in a LONG time! Kind of weird!) Anyway, I remember

that it was awfully yellow-like and tasted so much different from

what I was used to in the US and was just not good. I remember

talking to someone about it who told me that cows there are grass-

fed and cows in the US are grain fed and that accounted for the

difference. The grain-fed beef was much more " beefier " so-to-speak

than the grass-fed beef. I'm thinking the grass-fed was leaner.

Interesting. I hate to belabor the point about eating beef. It is

distressing me as I type these words, but my point is that if there

is this difference in the composition of beef when it is grass-fed

as opposed to grain-fed, then there is probably this big difference

in human bodies as well.

 

> Truer words were never spoken. My family is living proof that

being a veggie

> does NOT make you thin. <sigh> And I was soooo hoping it might,

<grin>

>

> Heather in Ontario

>

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> " When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of

another mind that

> thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed

event. " -- R.

> Pirsig

>

> " HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment

for a pig. "

> Go Veggie.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, carbs are especially bad for people who have a hard time processing insulin

-- you've probably heard the phrase " Syndrome X " or " insulin resistant " . When I

was diagnosed as being insulin resistant a dietician put me on a low-carb diet.

After three months my insulin and cholesterol was in the normal range and I'd

lost 50 pounds. However, after consuming so much flesh, so much dairy and eggs

I couldn't stand it anymore and became a vegetarian. It has been 7 months.

 

I'll admit that I haven't really been doing it the " right " way -- not eating

enough veggies and protein-rich foods to balance out my carbs, so I expected my

bloodwork (taken every 6 months to check lipids, insulin, glucose, etc.) to have

maybe changed in a negative way. I was horrified to find out that my

triglycerides have risen 50 points. I'm now at 248 (under 150 is normal). The

nurse told me I needed to start low-carbing again and I told her that I'm a new

vegetarian and that low-carbing is quite difficult as I'm trying to adjust the

already quite significant change in my diet. She said, in quite an annoyed tone

" but this is your HEALTH you're dealing with. " Well duh, becoming vegetarian

wasn't my prolonged attempt at suicide.

 

Anyway (long ramble here), I guess the answer lies in the types of carbs we eat

-- I need to be smarter about those. Eating the complex carbs that have a lot

of fiber. Staying away from the breads and pasta. It can be done (I think) and

I'll try my hardest. If anyone's interested in this topic, a good cook book is

The Schwarzbein Principle Vegetarian Cookbook.

 

 

 

Sheryl <ssarndt wrote:

 

the more I hear

about that Adkins diet, the more I think it's the carbs. I don't

LIKE the Adkins diet, but I think there is some truth behind carbs

fattening you up.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

just a cautionary note, you pee out protein when you don't consume

enough carbs. and burning protein instead of carbs can make some

people very lethargic. vegan veggie burgers tend to be low carb. and

smart dogs... my girlfriend eats soy protein powder mixed with

splenda. but she's crazy

 

 

 

, TempestuousTrollop

<tempestuoustrollop> wrote:

> Yes, carbs are especially bad for people who have a hard time

processing insulin -- you've probably heard the phrase " Syndrome X "

or " insulin resistant " . When I was diagnosed as being insulin

resistant a dietician put me on a low-carb diet. After three months

my insulin and cholesterol was in the normal range and I'd lost 50

pounds. However, after consuming so much flesh, so much dairy and

eggs I couldn't stand it anymore and became a vegetarian. It has

been 7 months.

>

> I'll admit that I haven't really been doing it the " right " way --

not eating enough veggies and protein-rich foods to balance out my

carbs, so I expected my bloodwork (taken every 6 months to check

lipids, insulin, glucose, etc.) to have maybe changed in a negative

way. I was horrified to find out that my triglycerides have risen 50

points. I'm now at 248 (under 150 is normal). The nurse told me I

needed to start low-carbing again and I told her that I'm a new

vegetarian and that low-carbing is quite difficult as I'm trying to

adjust the already quite significant change in my diet. She said, in

quite an annoyed tone " but this is your HEALTH you're dealing with. "

Well duh, becoming vegetarian wasn't my prolonged attempt at suicide.

>

> Anyway (long ramble here), I guess the answer lies in the types of

carbs we eat -- I need to be smarter about those. Eating the complex

carbs that have a lot of fiber. Staying away from the breads and

pasta. It can be done (I think) and I'll try my hardest. If

anyone's interested in this topic, a good cook book is The

Schwarzbein Principle Vegetarian Cookbook.

>

>

>

> Sheryl <ssarndt> wrote:

>

> the more I hear

> about that Adkins diet, the more I think it's the carbs. I don't

> LIKE the Adkins diet, but I think there is some truth behind carbs

> fattening you up.

>

>

>

> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In my experience, it isn't about the carbs. It's

about the TYPE of carbs and about portion control.

I've lost 15 pounds since going veg (without really

trying; avocados are a staple in my house <g>), and

that was only 3 months ago or so. I don't eat dairy,

and I've cut out most processed foods like white flour

and white sugar. Up to this point, I haven't even

paid that much attention to portion control, but find

that whole grains are more filling and I eat less.

For instance, last night, we had sauted veggies over

white penne (I still had some left over from when I

ate " traditionally " ). I made the exact same recipe

three weeks or so ago but with whole wheat pasta, and

I ate twice as much last night. I don't think I was

any hungier; the whole wheat pasta just seemed to be

more filling.

 

Also, my dad was diagnosed with an inoperable brain

tumor in March. He has type II diabetes, and the

anti-seisure meds they have him on are contraindicated

with the pills he used to be able to take to control

his sugar. His alternative doctor put my dad on a

Vegan diet to go with a cancer treatment they are

trying, and my dad's blood sugar, which was out of

control on a " normal " low carb diabetic diet evened

out almost immediately, and he rarely needs to take

insulin now, and when he does, the doses are much

lower than they were before.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

yes I am another one who is definitly not thin in veggie land. I know

I probably eat too many carbs glad I aint alone stay cool Dave

[Guest guest]

Yes, it can be done. I know someone on this list who is

doing it successfully. He has lost 35 lbs, lowered his

cholesterol, and he is diabetic. Excersize is a key factor

and watching carbs. There are low-carb foods (breads,

tortillas etc) available, so that helps. I just saw a write up

in the current Vegetarian Times magazine in their new

cookbook reviews and they mentioned one for diabetic

vegetarian cooking; looked very promising!

 

I will look it up and post the info if you'd like. I bet they

have lots of low-carb recipes and ideas in there that could

help you.

 

~ PT ~

 

Nature provides exceptions to every rule

~ Margaret Fuller

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, TempestuousTrollop <

tempestuoustrollop> wrote:

Eating the complex carbs that have a lot of fiber. Staying away from

the

breads and pasta. It can be done (I think) and I'll try my hardest.

If anyone's

interested in this topic, a good cook book is The Schwarzbein

Principle

Vegetarian Cookbook.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/14/03 11:47:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

patchouli_troll writes:

 

> I will look it up and post the info if you'd like. I bet they

> have lots of low-carb recipes and ideas in there that could

> help you.

>

 

That would be cool. I can't get veggie times in my small town and seldom go

into the city.

 

Heather in Ontario

 

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" When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that

thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R.

Pirsig

 

" HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. "

Go Veggie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/03 9:53:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

patchouli_troll writes:

 

> it is an ad for a VT special diet cookbook,

> and I have not yet bought it; but I plan to soon because it sounds

> good to me.

>

 

Sounds really good to me too. Thanks.

 

Heather in Ontario

 

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" When you live in the shadow of insanity, the appearance of another mind that

thinks and acts as yours does is something close to a blessed event. " -- R.

Pirsig

 

" HAM AND EGGS - A day's work for a chicken, a lifetime commitment for a pig. "

Go Veggie.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Okay. Bear with me, it is an ad for a VT special diet cookbook,

and I have not yet bought it; but I plan to soon because it sounds

good to me.

 

'The Whole Foods Diabetic Cookbook'

# VT2006

 

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amount of sugar you eat? Keeping your wieght in check

and reducing the amount of fat in your diet can also make

it easier to stay healthy. A vegetarian diet high in fruits,

vegetables, whole grains, and beans and low in fats

(especially animal fats) will keep your blood sugar at a

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, diamyst@a... wrote:

 

> That would be cool. I can't get veggie times in my small town and

seldom

go

> into the city.

>

> Heather in Ontario

[Guest guest]

>just a cautionary note, you pee out protein when you don't consume enough

>carbs.

>

There's a theory that high-protein diets put a strain on the kidneys. I have

an aunt who lost quite a bit of weight doing Atkins, but then she got kidney

stones.

 

>my girlfriend eats soy protein powder mixed with splenda. but she's crazy

>

>

My guy has them with ground flax seeds. If he goes to GNC again, I'm going

to cut up his credit cards

 

Laurie

 

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