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Hi All,

 

Looking for honest responses here (please no flames!) OK - so I'm

looking into going back to school to get a Culinary Arts degree.

However, I can't find a single school that offers purely vegetarian

cooking. Even the " Natural Cooking " school has a mandatory class in

preparing poultry.

 

So, the Natural Cooking School would make me cook chicken and a more

prestigious, recognized school would make me cook beef and poultry.

(Although the Meat Prep professor is a veggie... wierd). Do I

swallow my vegetarian mentality and enroll in the better school even

though it uses meat? Incidentily, the meat course does conduct

lessons on environmental issues (presumably so the Five Star rest.

doesn't serve crap steak) and on ethical issues surrounding meat

consumption.

 

What thoughts?

 

Thanks!

-K

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I remember a similar question in the group over the past year or so, and it

got a good amount of responses. Search the archive for them. Good luck.

 

If all else fails, hold your nose and do it, and then become the best veggie

chef you can be.

 

Dave

 

 

 

Jigilou Snicklefitz [jigilou]

Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:28 PM

 

Ethical Education Question

 

>>...Even the " Natural Cooking " school has a mandatory class in

preparing poultry...<<

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Sympathies. We are/were all taught a lot that we disapprove/d of - and

the only way to get even, say, a BA (which usually offered a lot of

options even way back when) was to take, say, Prof A's hideous course in

Marxism or was it Capitalism, or Prof B's course in religious history

(or so it seemed) or heathenism (or so it seemed). But rarely have I run

across a dilemma such as yours ;=( They used to tell us Get through it

now and when you've graduated you can do as you please - but no one

asked us to handle me*t, except in biology class ;=(. Of course, we were

lucky we weren't doing pre-med . . .

 

Sigghhhh. Surely there *must* be a veggie cooking school out there that

*doesn't* do the meat thing as a matter of (excuse the pun) course???

 

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Do I

> swallow my vegetarian mentality and enroll in the better school

even

> though it uses meat?

 

 

No way!!! When I was in high school I found myself working at a

pizza place and fixing pizzas and subs with meat. I had only been a

vegetarian a couple of years, but found myself at odds with the

job. It didn't feel right and it bothered me a lot. I think you

should talk to the school and see if they can make any exceptions to

the class or find another school! No good culinary school should

make anyone cook meat who is ethically opposed to it. You might

find a vegetarian cooking school in another part of the country, but

you'd have to be willing to travel. :( OR, what if you took all

the classes you wanted to except that poultry class and didn't get a

degree? Is that an option?

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Jigilou Snicklefitz <jigilou wrote:Hi All,

 

Looking for honest responses here (please no flames!) OK - so I'm

looking into going back to school to get a Culinary Arts degree.

However, I can't find a single school that offers purely vegetarian

cooking. Even the " Natural Cooking " school has a mandatory class in

preparing poultry.

 

So, the Natural Cooking School would make me cook chicken and a more

prestigious, recognized school would make me cook beef and poultry.

(Although the Meat Prep professor is a veggie... wierd). Do I

swallow my vegetarian mentality and enroll in the better school even

though it uses meat? Incidentily, the meat course does conduct

lessons on environmental issues (presumably so the Five Star rest.

doesn't serve crap steak) and on ethical issues surrounding meat

consumption.

 

What thoughts?

 

Thanks!

-K

 

 

 

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yeah, i've heard this before, that no matter where you go, in order

to learn veggie cooking you have to cook meat first. of course this

is a personal choice you have to make. I don't think there's any

ethical violation if you're not actually cooking it for yourself.

like if you're going to feed it to people at your culinary school who

would probably go home and eat a burger anyhow, then you're not

really contributing to the slaughter of animals, you know. it's just

like, i work at a restaurant that serves meat. but i don't eat it.

so i don't really feel i've violated my ethical values, although it

does bother me that my income is coming largely from the sale of

meat.. but well, it's the only place that would hire a bum like me.

on the plus side, once you get your cooking degree you'll be able to

make great vegetarian dishes for lots of people and maybe even

encourage them to go veggie.

 

, " Jigilou Snicklefitz "

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> Hi All,

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maybe you could try telling them you're Hindu , buddhist, etc. and

that it's against your religion to cook meat. they might let you get

out of it if they fear a discrimination law suit. A coworker of mine

said he used to be a vegetarian for like 3 years, ,then he got a job

as a cook at a steakhouse, and the boss insisted that he had to taste

the steak before they sent it out to ensure quality. he told them he

was veggie and they said " what? a vegetarian working at a steakhouse

that's ridiculous! " apparently he really needed this job cause he

started eating meat again.

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I say go for it. Probably the reason they include these meals is because if

someone wants to be a chef they most likely either want to work at an existing

restaurant or start thier own. So therefore you would need to know those

things, unless you start your own and serve only veggie dishes.

 

A lot of people in the Culinary world see cooking as art and feel that they

should at least touch on all points of the art... meaning meat.

 

You will learn so much by doing this and then when you finish you'll never have

to cook the meats. Some instructors may even allow you if you talk to them

about how strongly you feel, to use tofu (or whatever) instead of the meat.

(Its the whole not disecting a frog thing). You may have to take a couple

points of the grade but who knows... teacher may understand this and probably

already dealt with students who feel the same as you do.

 

For food artists its not really what food you use, its about the taste, flavors,

etc etc...

 

Anyway just my two cents.

 

Other K

 

Jigilou Snicklefitz <jigilou wrote:

Hi All,

 

Looking for honest responses here (please no flames!) OK - so I'm

looking into going back to school to get a Culinary Arts degree.

However, I can't find a single school that offers purely vegetarian

cooking. Even the " Natural Cooking " school has a mandatory class in

preparing poultry.

 

So, the Natural Cooking School would make me cook chicken and a more

prestigious, recognized school would make me cook beef and poultry.

(Although the Meat Prep professor is a veggie... wierd). Do I

swallow my vegetarian mentality and enroll in the better school even

though it uses meat? Incidentily, the meat course does conduct

lessons on environmental issues (presumably so the Five Star rest.

doesn't serve crap steak) and on ethical issues surrounding meat

consumption.

 

What thoughts?

 

Thanks!

-K

 

 

 

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Very good point. One thing that makes veggie food more palatable for non

veggies is how close you can make it taste like the meat dishes they

recognize. Knowing which spices bring a particular flavor to your dishes is

a skill worth knowing.

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

K [wantstolearn1]

Thursday, June 19, 2003 6:11 PM

 

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A lot of people in the Culinary world see cooking as art and feel that they

should at least touch on all points of the art... meaning meat. You will

learn so much by doing this and then when you finish you'll never have to

cook the meats.

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