Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 hi dave & susie, i'm very late at this reply, but i simply can't get to read all these feral posts all the time. i've just browsed through about 20 or 30 digests. Ak! I just thought I'd mention that I am a Sepultura fan too (Chaos AD, my favorite). I prefer my heavy to have guitar solos, but these guys write songs about indigenous rights issues in Brazil and in South America in general. I'm very much into keeping up on those things. I think they have improved the consciousness of people who listen to real aggressive, often angry and violent music. This is rather off-topic, so I apologize to Feral listers, but consciousness is a big deal to vegetarians and vegans. I've been maintaining a vegetarian diet for a couple of months now, but the only meat I've eaten since April was two fish back in May. I don't think I can get the hang of eating a vegan diet. I go out to eat a lot w/ friends, and vegan restaurants are not a plenty around where I live. Gotta go. Thanks for all these great posts I've been reading on feral. Jay moo SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 oooooo ouch just read the reply to the stewarts message about " testosterone-challenged " and supposedly skill-challenged heavy metal musicians. I happen to be a heavy metal musician myself, and a vegetarian. Maybe music choice is touchy for some people, but I can appreciate a wide diversity of art and entertainment. I also have tattoes and once had a pierced ear (oooo, what a rebel, ha! . Whoever it was who defended her son and her son's choices of way of life I respect you, and as the boys said, " For those about to rock... we salute you! " As I said before, sepultura is about consciousness -- using anger and aggression as a tool, music as a channel of expression of ideas. Their own ideas. Art and cultural transmission are very interesting subjects, even on a vegetarian list. But maybe not a necessary topic for everyone. I'm sorry that their is such general animosity between non-heavy metal listeners and heavy metal listeners. You don't have to be a part of the subculture to appreciate the message and the purpose. Hi michelle, the other metal fan from the UK. I've seen metallica 7 or 8 times, and they were always great. Docrivs moo SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Hi again, just read this... from The Stewarts stews9 " Nice attitude display, by the way. Impressive plumage, nice strutting. Nearly male in its intensity but we shan't go there, shall we? lol And when you find yourself taking offense, as is almost sure to happen, please realize I'm just joshing. all in jest. enjoying life and living it without conforming to standards and all that... familiar? " If you really were kidding, and not being passive aggressive, then yadda di da, but it's hard to see the light-heartedness in computer text. I'd like to meet any canine that can play " Chaos AD " on the guitar, though. Maybe he can pull off a Dimebag Darrell guitar solo too? ruf ruf. I can see why a lot of people don't get involved in lists -- don't post b/c they don't want to get into debates and uncomfortable disputes. I think it's fun though, so long as it is in fun. Is there an internet symbol for devil horns? |__| looks like goal posts docrivs moo SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2003 Report Share Posted June 27, 2003 Jay [docrivs] Friday, June 27, 2003 5:09 PM Feral Vegetarian List re: sepultura >>...sepultura is about consciousness -- using anger and aggression as a tool, music as a channel of expression of ideas. Their own ideas. Art and cultural transmission are very interesting subjects, even on a vegetarian list...<< No criticism is intended here, just a serious inquiry... Although the years probably separate us in a number of ways, maybe you can clarify how these tools bring you to a place where art, culture, and consciousness converge as a set of interesting ideas. Help me to see this thru your eyes. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 I aint into the horns up bit but the net horns up is \m/ stay cool Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2003 Report Share Posted June 28, 2003 Too bad you see it that way. I thought your topic was interesting... Dave [phantombluefan] Saturday, June 28, 2003 3:59 AM Re: sepultura I aint into the horns up bit but the net horns up is \m/ stay cool Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Hi dave and those in feral who are interested, happy fourth of july. i just got around to reading the latest feral digests again and came accross a reply from you. you asked, as i understand it, how does sepultura use anger and aggression as tools to send their listeners " to a place where art, culture, and consciousness converge " . i hope i did your question justice. really, i assumed that you were a fan of the music and that you could have an idea of what i might mean. however, in my eyes, as you put it... all music speaks to me in different ways. all music has a certain limited or expanded way of sending me to a certain state of consciousness -- a mindset, a mood, an emotional and spiritual level -- however you want to put it. music is a part of material culture. musicians, writers, artists, storytellers, and ordinary people communicate messages through music. it could be something as simple as " my girl done left me, and i'm sad and blue " to " the corporate lions swallow jah " to the lyrics to sepultura's " biotech is godzilla " ... Biotech Is Godzilla Rio Summit, '92 Street people kidnapped Hid from view 'To save the earth' Our rulers met Some had other Secret plans No...no...no...no... Biotech Biotech Biotech Say what? Strip-mine the Amazon Of cells of life itself Gold rush for genes is on Natives get nothing Biotech Biotech Biotech Is Godzilla Mutations cooked in labs Money-mad experiments New food + medicine? New germs + accidents! Like Cubatao 'World's most polluted town' Air-melts your face Deformed children all around Bio-technology Ain't what's so bad Like all technology It's in the wrong hands Cut-throat corporations Don't give a damn When lots of people die ]From what they've made Biotech Biotech Biotech Is A.I.D.S.? Stop!!! Anger is a tool. When you know how you feel about something b/c you know that thinking about it makes you angry, then you know yourself that much better. you can use that anger as a fuel for positive, pragmatic action, or you can just act out your anger in unhealthy, unconscious, and negative ways. the guys in sepultura use their anger to get accross the messages they want to send. their anger and aggressive tone and attitude help to communicate how they feel about the things they sing about. so i've discussed music as a message, a means of expression, & a channel of emotional expression. music can also be a means of cultural transmission -- a spreading of cultural ideas. as a musician/artist, do i send the message " eat meat " , " rape, kill, and destroy " , " buy more stuff " , " support the defense of corporate oil profits in south america " ? or do i send a different cultural message? like " live simple " , " don't support the meat and dairy industry " , " support the fair trade movement " , or " beauty is much more than a pretty face and a flat stomach " . sepultura is just one band that i think sends a positive message to young people and people who can accept their message and their medium as being enjoyable and worht listening to and supporting. so does that help you to see through my eyes, without knowing much about me personally, or are you asking something else entirely? jay Message: 1 Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:51:05 -0700 " daveo " <daveo RE: re: sepultura Jay [docrivs] Friday, June 27, 2003 5:09 PM Feral Vegetarian List re: sepultura >>...sepultura is about consciousness -- using anger and aggression as a tool, music as a channel of expression of ideas. Their own ideas. Art and cultural transmission are very interesting subjects, even on a vegetarian list...<< No criticism is intended here, just a serious inquiry... Although the years probably separate us in a number of ways, maybe you can clarify how these tools bring you to a place where art, culture, and consciousness converge as a set of interesting ideas. Help me to see this thru your eyes. Dave \m/ moo SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 Jay [docrivs] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:22 PM Feral Vegetarian List re: sepultura >>...you asked, as i understand it, how does sepultura use anger and aggression as tools to send their listeners " to a place where art, culture, and consciousness converge " ...<< That's right on! >>[Lyrics of] " Biotech Is Godzilla " --clipped--<< Interesting. Clearly, this music is art. I know that what they write about is true plus a lot more. I suppose I'll have to listen to it now. >>Anger is a tool. When you know how you feel about something b/c you know that thinking about it makes you angry, then you know yourself that much better. you can use that anger as a fuel for positive, pragmatic action, or you can just act out your anger in unhealthy, unconscious, and negative ways...<< There are many tools of communication. Some quite effective. Other less effective. In the bigger sense, how effective is anger. My feeling is that it's less effective, but I'd like another opinion. No flames will follow from me, so say it straight. >>the guys in sepultura use their anger...to communicate how they feel about the things they sing about.<< IMHO, the message/lyrics are necessary. They speak of untold evils awaiting us down the road. >>sepultura is just one band that i think sends a positive message to young people and people who can accept their message and their medium as being enjoyable and worht listening to and supporting.<< Enjoyable, huh! This is the 2nd time I'm tempted to check them out. >>so does that help you to see through my eyes, without knowing much about me personally, or are you asking something else entirely?<< You did just fine, Jay. Thank you for sharing. The needed messages of life come in many forms. This is one I'd have never heard, if not for you. My thanks again. Daveo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2003 Report Share Posted July 2, 2003 now if only Max would rejoin the band then they would really be happening sorry I know that's a little off topic but I had to get that off my chest stay cool Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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