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The variation is due to the difference in activity levels that might affect

your life with those who are more active tending toward the higher end of

the scale.

 

Lean body mass confuses a lot of people too. Most people have a " percent of

body fat " number that ranges above 20-25% with a average for the USA of

around 40%. If a 140 lb woman has 30% body fat, and she is moderately

active, then her percent of body fat is 42 lbs. That gives her a lean body

mass of 98 lbs. Assuming .7 for the amount of protein she ought to consume

for her activity level, her suggested protein need would be 68.7 grams of

protein.

 

A bit high for most veggies but that's what the guideline suggests.

 

Dave

 

 

 

dave [dave4sale]

Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:19 PM

 

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how much protein should one consume? i've read anywhere from .5 gram

per lb of lean body mass to .9 that's pretty broad.

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According to the World Health Organization, minimum

protein requirement should be 5% of calories. So in a

2,000 calorie diet, protein should account for at

least 100 calories, or 25 grams. The USDA builds a

satety net in their recommendation and say 10%, which

is 200 calories, or 50 grams.

 

If you are eating a well balanced vegetarian or vegan

diet with enough calories, it is virtually impossible

to not get enough protein.

 

Here's how your numbers work out:

 

My lean body mass is 135 lbs. At .5 grams per pound,

I would need to eat 67.5 grams of protein, or 13.5% of

calories. This is a tad high, but falls in the 10-15%

range suggested by the World Heath Organization as

optimal protein intake (big safety net -- most people

do not require 15%).

 

At .9 grams per pound, I would need 121.5 grams of

protein, or 24.3% of calories from protein. That

figure sounds like it came out of " The Zone, " and is

way too high.

 

 

--- dave <dave4sale wrote:

> how much protein should one consume? i've read

> anywhere from .5 gram

> per lb of lean body mass to .9 that's pretty broad.

 

 

 

 

 

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While I don't argue with your numbers, .9 grams per pound is hardly what THE

ZONE diet recommends for most people (which is more like .5 to .7). A .9

factor is ONLY for very athletic people. Please, Lori, you can dislike the

zone diet without misrepresenting it.

 

I weight 172. My percent of body fat is now 22%. My lean body mass is 134

lbs. My activity level is moderate, thus a .7 factor. That translates into

93.8 grams of protein. I usually consume 80-90 grams of protein per day,

and I usually have to supplement to get that.

 

When I began the zone diet, my percent of body fat was 38%. How great is

that?

 

Dave

Veggie for 22 years. In THE ZONE for 1.5 years and still loving it.

 

 

 

 

 

Lori [mrsshf]

Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:17 AM

 

Re: Anti-tein

 

My lean body mass is 135 lbs. At .5 grams per pound, I would need to eat

67.5 grams of protein, or 13.5% of calories. This is a tad high, but falls

in the 10-15% range suggested by the World Heath Organization as optimal

protein intake (big safety net -- most people do not require 15%).

 

At .9 grams per pound, I would need 121.5 grams of protein, or 24.3% of

calories from protein. That figure sounds like it came out of " The Zone, "

and is way too high.

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How did I misrepresent " The Zone " diet? Barry Sears'

book calls for 30% protein, 30% fat, and 40%

carbohydrates. That is exactly what his book (which

I've read) states.

 

I'm glad you lost weight. Since his diet is a typical

calorie reduction diet (disguised as something else),

I would be surprised if you didn't lose weight on it,

at least in the beginning. But there is no actual

scientific evidence for his 30/30/40 formula. I was

completely unable to find even one independent

scientific study that stated that this is the formula

you need to lose weight and be healthy.

 

 

> While I don't argue with your numbers, .9 grams per

> pound is hardly what THE

> ZONE diet recommends for most people (which is more

> like .5 to .7). A .9

> factor is ONLY for very athletic people. Please,

> Lori, you can dislike the

> zone diet without misrepresenting it.

 

 

 

 

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Lori,

 

As a veggie, I refer to " The Soy Zone " first published in 2000. I never

read any of the earlier books. " The zone " books have been around much

longer than three years and contains info which his later books updated and

maybe corrected.

 

You misrepresent " the zone " in several ways.

 

1. You said on July 10th, >>At .9 grams per pound, I would need 121.5 grams

of protein, or 24.3% of calories from protein. That figure sounds like it

came out of " The Zone, " and is way too high.<<

 

This is only a small part of what the zone recommends about protein

consumption, and in isolation, it presents a slanted view of what the zone

is all about. Clearly, you do not like for the zone, and your statement

about it is only true in a very limited if not confusing sense.

 

2. I offered a response correcting your original email, which is shown

below, and you simply ignored it to make a new point about the zone. I'm

not sure why you bring it up, whether it is accurate or not, b/c it was not

in your original email.

 

With this new email, I'm not sure if you're more concerned about " calorie

consumption " or " protein consumption, " since you've commented on both in

less than flattering ways.

 

3. In referring to the zone as a >>...typical calorie reduction diet

(disguised as something else)...<<, you simply state an opinion, and you're

certainly entitled to do that.

 

It's my opinion that you've drawn conclusions that seem reasonable to you,

yet fail to accurately communicate the underlying value (and I believe

benefits) of the zone. Further, such opinions stated as authority diminish

the value of what it's author has spent two decades developing, i.e.,

original findings that rely on varied scientific/medical research that has

repeatedly been cited in professional journals.

 

So, I suggest that there is FAR more to be gained from " the zone " that you

imply.

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

Lori [mrsshf]

Friday, July 11, 2003 7:29 AM

 

RE: Anti-tein

 

How did I misrepresent " The Zone " diet? Barry Sears' book calls for 30%

protein, 30% fat, and 40%

carbohydrates. That is exactly what his book (which I've read) states.

 

I'm glad you lost weight. Since his diet is a typical calorie reduction

diet (disguised as something else), I would be surprised if you didn't lose

weight on it, at least in the beginning. But there is no actual scientific

evidence for his 30/30/40 formula. I was completely unable to find even one

independent scientific study that stated that this is the formula you need

to lose weight and be healthy.

 

Daveo wrote:

> While I don't argue with your numbers, .9 grams per

> pound is hardly what THE ZONE diet recommends for

> most people (which is more like .5 to .7). A .9

> factor is ONLY for very athletic people. Please,

> Lori, you can dislike the zone diet without

> misrepresenting it.

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Cite independant research studies (not studies

performed by Sears, himself) that backs up Barry

Sears' claims, please, because I have been unable to

find any. For that matter, please find any study

performed by Sears that has appeared in any legitimate

medical journal.

 

 

>Further, such opinions stated as authority diminish

>the value of what it's author has spent two decades

>developing, i.e., original findings that rely on

>varied scientific/medical research that has

>repeatedly been cited in professional journals.

 

 

 

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I don't understand this! Why do you disrespect Dr. Sears so much as to not

even accept his own citations? Boy, you must really hate " The Zone. "

 

I have read two zone books, and practically every paragraph involving

scientific/medical/nutritional claims offered by Dr. Sears in " The Soy Zone "

and " The Age-Free Zone " has a citation from a publication or professional

journal, like JAMA, N Engl J Med, Brit Med J, and Am J Clin Nutr to name

only a few. " The Soy Zone " references (pp. 306-24) and " The Age-Free Zone "

references (pp. 343-99) are voluminous. I'll not repeat them here for

obvious reasons.

 

However, there are 74 pages of citations (over 1,000 of them) connected to

practically every word that Dr. Sears asks his readers to believe. If only

you had presented that kind of supporting info for what you offered to this

group.

 

I don't understand where you're taking this discussion.

 

Dave

 

 

 

Lori [mrsshf]

Friday, July 11, 2003 6:50 PM

 

RE: Anti-tein

 

Cite independant research studies (not studies

performed by Sears, himself) that backs up Barry

Sears' claims, please, because I have been unable to

find any. For that matter, please find any study

performed by Sears that has appeared in any legitimate

medical journal.

 

>Further, such opinions stated as authority diminish

>the value of what it's author has spent two decades developing, i.e.,

>original findings that rely on varied scientific/medical research that

>has repeatedly been cited in professional journals.

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I have not read " The Soy Zone " yet, and I will pick it

up at the library and read it and check citations for

my own edification only, since I'm not going to bore

the group with any further continuation of this

discussion.

 

I'm not a fan of " The Zone " or " Atlkins " or any other

" high-protein " diet, because touting high protein

requirements contributes to the lies the meat and

dairy industries have been telling us for years. In

addition, since a typical day on the original Zone

diet involves eating 70% of protein calories from

animal sources, Sears' diet contributes to the

suffering and death of animals, which, since I'm a

strict vegetarian for mostly ethical reasons, I could

never condone.

 

That's my feelings on the matter, and I can see that

you have your beliefs that are completely different

than mine. And that's okay. Live and let live and

all that.

 

--- daveo <daveo wrote:

> Boy, you must really hate " The Zone. "

>

 

 

 

 

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