Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 > Honey I can live without. I have a problem with cotton. What is wrong with cotton? Is it because they pour pesticides on it and kill off the cotton weevils and the other bugs??? This is one reason I don't ever think I will call myself " vegan " . Even organic farmers kill off the bugs that kill their crops. If I eat such food products, can I still be called a vegan?? Technically the bugs are being killed with intent. What if I have my house sprayed for termites or carpenter ants? Technically it's cruel and malicious intent and bugs are getting killed to save my house just like the bees are getting injured to harvest the honey. What about all the mosquitoes we swat when they try to eat us alive? Is this a vegan thing to do?? I'm not trying to be mean, but these are questions I've thought about and reasons I would not call myself " vegan " . The terminology and definition implies something far more perfect than I could achieve. Even if I discontinued eating all animal products, I think I will always be a vegetarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 don't worry so much about the label vegan, just do what you can do and what you feel is right... the honey thing is even debated among vegans. if you want to get really technical, any harm you do to the environment is harming animals, even if the effects are not realized for many years you are harming future generations of animals and humans. this is why i try very hard to be enviro friendly. but none of us are perfect. i don't drive a car, but i know that by using electricity i still cause pollution. i just try to minimize it. And i really hate to put any member of the animal kingdom on a hierarchy, but honestly if i had the choice between saving a pig or a bee i would choose the pig. so just because you can't help save every insect is no reason to not support the dairy and egg industries if you feel what they are doing is wrong. it's not that insects don't feel pain, but at least they don't live in captivity like cows and chickens have to. they have short life spans and are able to live some kind of life before they are killed. veganism is an ideal, like communism or anarchy or any other ideology. it will never be perfect, but you can only do your best, because you're only human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 > don't worry so much about the label vegan, just do what you can do > and what you feel is right... the honey thing is even debated among > vegans. veganism is an ideal, like communism or anarchy or any > other ideology. it will never be perfect, but you can only do your > best, because you're only human. Oh, I don't. In fact, I'm not really even vegan and don't know that I ever will be 100%. I certainly don't wear leather or eat gelatin or meat or eggs or drink milk. My last holdout is still cheese. I wish there were a perfect substitute. I'm working on that and have given it up at times, but recently fell off the wagon. I sure hope to get back on that wagon one day! I guess even if I stopped eating all animal products, I would still call myself just a vegetarian. I agree with you though that it's about the effort. I recently found out that at certain times (don't know how true this is) that all the recyclable material the city collected ended up in the dump for lack of a processor! Stuff like this makes me want to stop recycling, but the way I look at it is that it's more about my effort than anything. I did my part and it's not my fault the city didn't do theirs. I guess I just have to continue to reduce and reuse as much as possible and be less dependent on recycling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 my goal is to someday have a solar-powered house... it's expensive as hell to install, but very economical in the long run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 speaking of cheese, if you can find the " follow your heart " vegan gourmet cheese in your local store, you should definitely try it. i tried the mozzarella recently and i swear i like it better than real thing (it's not stretchy but boo hoo, it tastes good). only downside is it is expensive. way better than veganrella or toffutti in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 dave wrote: my goal is to someday have a solar-powered house... * Ahh, my long time dream as well............ ;~) ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >What is wrong with cotton? * Bleach is what's wrong with cotton. Pesticides [all in the soil, and surrounding fields and streams] too, if you are not buying organic. Personally, I prefer cotton for many things.......Like Dave [i think] said, we are only human.... If we gave up everything " bad " we wouldn't live long in today's " modern " world. ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >What is wrong with cotton? I don't know what I was thinking when I posted this. Cotton doesn't come from an animal!! LOL Wool is what I was thinking. But I don't buy wool because it's so itchy. ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >don't worry so much about the label vegan You're right, nobody is perfect. I just worry about the cloths I wear sometimes. I don't buy leather unless I can't find what I need in some other material. When I first started I decided to just cut out meat. Then I read all the damage dairy can do to our health, so I cut that out as much as I could. I'm getting better at it because I'm educating myself on the different ingredients in food. But, then I found out about all the animal cruelty on the farm factories. Now it's as much ethical as dietary reasons that keep be away from animal products. But I know that I can's save the whole world by myself. Nobody can. I do drive though because I have to. I don't live in town. If I did I would do a lot more walking. ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 >follow your heart I'll see if my health food store has it. If not I'll ask if it can be ordered. Thanks for the advice. :-) ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 www.imearthkind.com/ I just found it's available on the internet and I'm going to try it!!!!! > speaking of cheese, if you can find the " follow your heart " vegan > gourmet cheese in your local store, you should definitely try it. i > tried the mozzarella recently and i swear i like it better than real > thing (it's not stretchy but boo hoo, it tastes good). only downside > is it is expensive. way better than veganrella or toffutti in my > opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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