Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Too bad the people in the US didn't get a choice in the matter. http://ens-news.com/ens/jul2003/2003-07-22-03.asp Food Firms Pledge to Keep Chinese Products GE Free GUANGZHOU, China, July 22, 2003 (ENS) - For the first time food producers in China have publicly committed themselves not to sell genetically modified food. Thirty-two food companies producing 53 brands have agreed to sell only food products that are free of transgenic ingredients, the result of a campaign by Greenpeace China... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 >Too bad the people in the US didn't get a choice in the matter. So true!! Why do you think we don't have a choice? This doesn't seem fair. But then life isn't really fair is it? ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt- " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 , " ~Janice~ " <serenity1@m...> wrote: > >Too bad the people in the US didn't get a choice in the matter. > > So true!! Why do you think we don't have a choice? Well, in a way we do have somewhat of a choice, and that is to buy ONLY things that are SPECIFICALLY LABELED non-GMO and Organic. I guess I am referring to the lack of enforced " labeling " of GMO foods. As more and more small food companies are swallowed up by the large monopolies (like Kraft foods, for instance) their procedures change. Without the enforced labeling, they can add whatever they like! And they don't have to inform the consumers. I had read an article about Boca burgers a while back. Now that Kraft owns them, the ones in the red boxes supposedly now contain GMO soy. The ONLY ones that contain non-GMO soy are the ones SPECIFICALLY LABELLED non- GMO (I think the boxes are tan, I don't remember). I will try to locate that article and post a link to it. By the way, this is also true of produce. I had read that many of the fresh tomatoes on the store shelves now contain beef genes, because it helps the tomatoes to have a longer shelf life. BLEEEAHH... :-P And they DON'T HAVE TO LABEL IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > By the way, this is also true of produce. I had read that many of > the fresh tomatoes on the store shelves now contain beef genes, > because it helps the tomatoes to have a longer shelf life. > BLEEEAHH... :-P And they DON'T HAVE TO LABEL IT. My understanding was that it was a fish gene, not a beef gene. Also, I've heard if you look at the PLU numbers on the labels on produce, you will note that for instance, bananas are 4011. Organic bananas are 94011. Genetically modified bananas would be 84011. I'v heard that they put an 8 in front on the GMO bananas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 well, ethically speaking, it is not as though the cow gene makes the tomato somehow an animal. There are already a significant amount of genes that animals share in common with plants.. But as far as the sheer grossness factor, I agree full-heartedly with your " bleeeahh! " And I fear a nightmarish future with half-plant half-animal creatures, a la " Little Shop of Horrors " . So if a veggie is " certified organic " does that mean it is not supposed to be GM, or does that only apply to pesticides / herbicides? NOT that we can trust the government to regulate our food anyway. Damn, now I really want to have a garden... but how would i even know if the seeds i buy are actually organic? arggh. , " ~Janice~ " <serenity1@m...> wrote: > >By the way, this is also true of produce. I had read that many of the fresh tomatoes on the store shelves now contain beef genes,because it helps the tomatoes to have longer shelf life. BLEEEAHH... :-P And they DON'T HAVE TO LABEL IT. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 >By the way, this is also true of produce. I had read that many of the fresh tomatoes on the store shelves now contain beef genes,because it helps the tomatoes to have longer shelf life. BLEEEAHH... :-P And they DON'T HAVE TO LABEL IT. How are we suppose to be veg if the food producers put stuff in out food without telling us? They sure want to make life difficult for us vegans don't they? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt- " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Hi I am new, here I seen this letter about beef and fish genes in tomatoes. What the heck? I never heard of such a thing. Its not fair to do this. Jan - " Sheryl " <ssarndt Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:53 AM Re: Chinese say NO to GMO foods > > By the way, this is also true of produce. I had read that many of > > the fresh tomatoes on the store shelves now contain beef genes, > > because it helps the tomatoes to have a longer shelf life. > > BLEEEAHH... :-P And they DON'T HAVE TO LABEL IT. > > > > My understanding was that it was a fish gene, not a beef gene. > Also, I've heard if you look at the PLU numbers on the labels on > produce, you will note that for instance, bananas are 4011. Organic > bananas are 94011. Genetically modified bananas would be 84011. > I'v heard that they put an 8 in front on the GMO bananas. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 I think organic seeds should come from an health food store. Jessika dave <dave4sale wrote: well, ethically speaking, it is not as though the cow gene makes the tomato somehow an animal. There are already a significant amount of genes that animals share in common with plants.. But as far as the sheer grossness factor, I agree full-heartedly with your " bleeeahh! " And I fear a nightmarish future with half-plant half-animal creatures, a la " Little Shop of Horrors " . So if a veggie is " certified organic " does that mean it is not supposed to be GM, or does that only apply to pesticides / herbicides? NOT that we can trust the government to regulate our food anyway. Damn, now I really want to have a garden... but how would i even know if the seeds i buy are actually organic? arggh. , " ~Janice~ " <serenity1@m...> wrote: > >By the way, this is also true of produce. I had read that many of the fresh tomatoes on the store shelves now contain beef genes,because it helps the tomatoes to have longer shelf life. BLEEEAHH... :-P And they DON'T HAVE TO LABEL IT. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Yeow! That's pretty gross and quite appalling that they don't have to tell us they are doing it. ~ pt ~ P.S. I just got back to my home and am currently wading through the past digests, so forgive the late replies. ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , " cheryll " < naturalist_44240> wrote: > I had read that many of > the fresh tomatoes on the store shelves now contain beef genes, > because it helps the tomatoes to have a longer shelf life. > BLEEEAHH... :-P And they DON'T HAVE TO LABEL IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 , " dave " <dave4sale> wrote: > well, ethically speaking, it is not as though the cow gene makes the > tomato somehow an animal. There are already a significant amount of > genes that animals share in common with plants.. Cow or fish or whatever genes make a tomato part that, part tomato. So it?s not vegetarian. Yeah there are a significant number of shared genes but the ones not shared are what matter here and make them plants not animals and reasonable for vegetarians to eat. Already there are human genes added to both plants and animals. See http: //www.greens.org/s-r/20/20-01.html and http://www.globalchange. com/scotgene.htm The first article does say one can be a vegetarian cannibal but obviously that person would not be vegetarian anymore, but a cannibal definitely, if only slightly. > And I fear a nightmarish future with half-plant half-animal > creatures, a la ?Little Shop of Horrors?. It will be scarier and extremely dangerous if this stuff continues. > So if a veggie is ?certified organic? does that mean it is not > supposed to be GM, or does that only apply to pesticides/herbicides? Yes everything organic is definitely GMO-free, so if a food is labelled as one of those things, and its ingredients are things that are normally vegetarian, then it is a vegetarian food. Anything else has to be researched. I?ve been doing research on this stuff for a while, but it?s tedious endlessly e-mailing and calling people. There at least used to be this list of safe versus unsafe food on some Greenpeace site, but I can?t find it anymore. It was something like ?Pure Food? I think. Eventually I?ll probably put up my list of safe food on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 > There at least used to be this list of safe versus unsafe food on > some Greenpeace site, but I cant find it anymore. It was something > like Pure Food I think. Eventually Ill probably put up my list of > safe food on the web. I just found it. It is here: http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/bin/view. fpl/6986/article/481.html and called True Food. There is also a form here: http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/bin/view. fpl/10048/action_id/90.html for sending a letter to a whole bunch of food companies about your views on GMO food. Does anyone know why when I put an apostrophe (alt-0146, not '), for instance in this form, it turns into a question mark in the message? How do you fix that? Being a graphic designer, I cannot stand bad typography. So, being unable to use apostrophes, I am using no contractions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 > > Yes everything organic is definitely GMO-free, I wish that were 100% true! At least everything grown organically has the intention of being GMO-free, but with pollen-drift from non- organic fields, we can't be 100% sure. Someone or something did a study on this a couple of years ago and found some cross- contamination in organic foods. I wish it weren't true, but it is. > at least used to be this list of safe versus unsafe food on some > Greenpeace site, but I can?t find it anymore. It was something like > ?Pure Food? Found it!!! http://www.truefoodnow.org/shoppersguide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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