Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 In a message dated 8/9/03 6:53:29 AM, writes: > Hi, My name is Debra. I am married with 3 grown daughters, and a > 17yo son still at home. My guys are committed carnivores. I'm hoping > to get ideas from you on meals my meat-eaters will eat along with > me. I am totally new to vegetarianism. I've never enjoyed meat and > have always eaten very little of it. Nutritionally I felt it was a > necessary evil. I am very interested in learning to prepare a > nutritionally sound vegetarian diet. I am an animal lover > extrordiaire! I have 5 cats, 2 dogs, 3 horses, and a bird. Ironicly, > the decision to feed my caniverous creatures a raw meat diet, which > is best for them, helped me decide to take the plunge into > vegetarianism for myself. I'm not familiar with the different kinds > of vegetarians, but I'm sure I can count on you guys to help me out > there. Are there any books or websites you recommend? I'll probably > stay in lurk mode most of the time while I learn enough to > participate intelligently. Thanks in advance for your > help. > hi, debra! welcome to the group! you're going to find a whole bunch of different kinds of people, personalities, and opinions here,which i think is what makes any group worth joining. in any case, my name is melody and i am a 100% vegan, which means i don't consume anything that comes from an animal (as much as i can avoid it, anyway; as you will learn, everyone needs to figure out where to draw his or her line). i don't eat meat, milk, casein, whey (two milk proteins common in many vegetarian foods), eggs, honey, or anything derived from anything mentioned above. i also don't use anything made from wool, silk, or leather, and don't buy products tested on animals whenever it can be avoided. i thought it would be a lot harder than it actually was. if it's something you really believe in, it becomes a lot easier. as far as cooking at home, you just have to read a lot of labels to make sure you're buying something that fits your diet. when going out to eat, you have to ask a lot of questions. i tend to eat a lot of asian food when i go out; i just request no fish sauce, egg/egg noodles, or paneer. in any case, i don't know a lot of vegetarians, let alone vegans, but i do love to cook. sundays are my " gourmet nights, " when i cook enough for an army and invite over anyone who cares to join me. my meat-eating friends are usually very impressed with what i come up with. some of the best pseudo-meat products i've found are: -yves veggie pizza pepperoni -soyrizo (makes GREAT burritos and tamales) -yves veggie ground round -tofurkey slices -veat, if you are not vegan (veat contains milk proteins; i ate a lot of it before i went vegan and was very disappointed that there is no vegan variety of this product) a really good resource to start accruing recipes with is www.vegweb.com. they have a ton of great veggie recipes. the recipes listed on the feral website are great, too. two excellent cookbooks for pleasing carnivores i'd like to recommend are " the vegetarian meat and potatoes cookbook " by robin robertson, and " nonna's italian kitchen " by bryanna clark grogan. i'd also recommend any cookbook written by joanne stepinak. i hope this helps you out! let me know how it goes! melody p.s. i agree with you on the raw diet for animals; a similar diet cured my cats of inflammatory bowel disease, and they have been thriving ever since! http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 I definitely agree with the " fake meat " suggestions melody gave you. here's a couple more of my favorites, that your meat-eating family members might like. Gardenburger- bbq ribs Amy's- Texas BBQ burger About the raw meat diet for animals being the healthiest though, I am not quite sure. When meat is raw it may contain parasites and lots of nasty kinds of bacteria. To the best of my knowledge dogs can actually be very healthy on a vegetarian diet. There are dog food companies that make soy based dog food containing all the nutrients they need. I know lots of people are convinced that dogs are naturally carnivores, but they have been domesticated so long, they have become omnivorous and can therefore live w/o meat. Cats, i am not so sure about... They may require some animal products. here's an article. http://www.helpinganimals.com/h-vegcat-meals.html > -yves veggie pizza pepperoni > -soyrizo (makes GREAT burritos and tamales) > -yves veggie ground round > -tofurkey slices > -veat, if you are not vegan (veat contains milk proteins; i ate a lot of it > before i went vegan and was very disappointed that there is no vegan variety of > this product) > > > p.s. i agree with you on the raw diet for animals; a similar diet cured my > cats of inflammatory bowel disease, and they have been thriving ever since! > > > http://www.melodysmusic.net > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 I never thought about dogs being vegitarian. I know if I had a dog I'd buy it any kind of dog food I can find. I like animals myself but I think killing them for food is just wrong unless you're in one of those poor countries. I eat certain seafood myself but not all the time. One of my cousins is a better veggie than I am because she eats healthy. I eat mainly puffed cereal, veggies, and some of my food contains stuff made from animals but didn't kill the animals in the process. I wish I could make my bf a veggie but I guess he just loves meat too much. Jessika dave <dave4sale wrote: I definitely agree with the " fake meat " suggestions melody gave you. here's a couple more of my favorites, that your meat-eating family members might like. Gardenburger- bbq ribs Amy's- Texas BBQ burger About the raw meat diet for animals being the healthiest though, I am not quite sure. When meat is raw it may contain parasites and lots of nasty kinds of bacteria. To the best of my knowledge dogs can actually be very healthy on a vegetarian diet. There are dog food companies that make soy based dog food containing all the nutrients they need. I know lots of people are convinced that dogs are naturally carnivores, but they have been domesticated so long, they have become omnivorous and can therefore live w/o meat. Cats, i am not so sure about... They may require some animal products. here's an article. http://www.helpinganimals.com/h-vegcat-meals.html > -yves veggie pizza pepperoni > -soyrizo (makes GREAT burritos and tamales) > -yves veggie ground round > -tofurkey slices > -veat, if you are not vegan (veat contains milk proteins; i ate a lot of it > before i went vegan and was very disappointed that there is no vegan variety of > this product) > > > p.s. i agree with you on the raw diet for animals; a similar diet cured my > cats of inflammatory bowel disease, and they have been thriving ever since! > > > http://www.melodysmusic.net > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA wrote: some of my food contains stuff made from animals but didn't kill the animals in the process. * I have no idea what/which items you refer to, but have you done any research on that? I ask, because about 10-15 years ago, I used to think that cheese fell under that category. Now I know better. In most cases, those 'enzymes' come from a cow's stomach lining. Also things like milk may not kill *that* animal [but it does an awful lot of suffering] but do you know about the offspring? It needs to be impregnated in order to keep giving milk. The girls follow in momma's hoofs, and the boys? ever heard of veal? I am not a perfect vegetarian-- I fall off the wagon *alot* [right now is one of my off the wagon time frames, blech!]. So I am not trying to show my perfect ways to you. But I wanted to point out a few things, and ask you to research the items you feel you are excluding because it " didn't kill the animals in the process. " You may find you would like to rethink some of those items. ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 I don't drink milk because I don't like it. I use to eat ice cream but I refuse to buy it because I'll eat the whole thing. I have tried soy milk ice cream once and it was good but it was expensive. Jessika Pixx <lists wrote: VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA wrote: some of my food contains stuff made from animals but didn't kill the animals in the process. * I have no idea what/which items you refer to, but have you done any research on that? I ask, because about 10-15 years ago, I used to think that cheese fell under that category. Now I know better. In most cases, those 'enzymes' come from a cow's stomach lining. Also things like milk may not kill *that* animal [but it does an awful lot of suffering] but do you know about the offspring? It needs to be impregnated in order to keep giving milk. The girls follow in momma's hoofs, and the boys? ever heard of veal? I am not a perfect vegetarian-- I fall off the wagon *alot* [right now is one of my off the wagon time frames, blech!]. So I am not trying to show my perfect ways to you. But I wanted to point out a few things, and ask you to research the items you feel you are excluding because it " didn't kill the animals in the process. " You may find you would like to rethink some of those items. ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Hello; Perhaps if you bought yourself an ice cream maker that you'd be able to make your own. Ever thought of making your own? Would cost less to make it yourself. VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx wrote: I don't drink milk because I don't like it. I use to eat ice cream but I refuse to buy it because I'll eat the whole thing. I have tried soy milk ice cream once and it was good but it was expensive. Jessika Pixx <lists wrote: VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA wrote: some of my food contains stuff made from animals but didn't kill the animals in the process. * I have no idea what/which items you refer to, but have you done any research on that? I ask, because about 10-15 years ago, I used to think that cheese fell under that category. Now I know better. In most cases, those 'enzymes' come from a cow's stomach lining. Also things like milk may not kill *that* animal [but it does an awful lot of suffering] but do you know about the offspring? It needs to be impregnated in order to keep giving milk. The girls follow in momma's hoofs, and the boys? ever heard of veal? I am not a perfect vegetarian-- I fall off the wagon *alot* [right now is one of my off the wagon time frames, blech!]. So I am not trying to show my perfect ways to you. But I wanted to point out a few things, and ask you to research the items you feel you are excluding because it " didn't kill the animals in the process. " You may find you would like to rethink some of those items. ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 I'm not good at making food. I don't buy sweets or anything. Jessika I b <canadianmade4u wrote: Hello; Perhaps if you bought yourself an ice cream maker that you'd be able to make your own. Ever thought of making your own? Would cost less to make it yourself. VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx wrote: I don't drink milk because I don't like it. I use to eat ice cream but I refuse to buy it because I'll eat the whole thing. I have tried soy milk ice cream once and it was good but it was expensive. Jessika Pixx <lists wrote: VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA wrote: some of my food contains stuff made from animals but didn't kill the animals in the process. * I have no idea what/which items you refer to, but have you done any research on that? I ask, because about 10-15 years ago, I used to think that cheese fell under that category. Now I know better. In most cases, those 'enzymes' come from a cow's stomach lining. Also things like milk may not kill *that* animal [but it does an awful lot of suffering] but do you know about the offspring? It needs to be impregnated in order to keep giving milk. The girls follow in momma's hoofs, and the boys? ever heard of veal? I am not a perfect vegetarian-- I fall off the wagon *alot* [right now is one of my off the wagon time frames, blech!]. So I am not trying to show my perfect ways to you. But I wanted to point out a few things, and ask you to research the items you feel you are excluding because it " didn't kill the animals in the process. " You may find you would like to rethink some of those items. ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 It is very simple to use. No need to be an expert at cooking etc.... A child can do it. I don't buy sweets either. I make my own unsweetened fruit sorberts. And also is cholesterol free. Hope your day is going well. Irene Marie canadianmade4u VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx wrote: I'm not good at making food. I don't buy sweets or anything. Jessika I b <canadianmade4u wrote: Hello; Perhaps if you bought yourself an ice cream maker that you'd be able to make your own. Ever thought of making your own? Would cost less to make it yourself. VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx wrote: I don't drink milk because I don't like it. I use to eat ice cream but I refuse to buy it because I'll eat the whole thing. I have tried soy milk ice cream once and it was good but it was expensive. Jessika Pixx <lists wrote: VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA wrote: some of my food contains stuff made from animals but didn't kill the animals in the process. * I have no idea what/which items you refer to, but have you done any research on that? I ask, because about 10-15 years ago, I used to think that cheese fell under that category. Now I know better. In most cases, those 'enzymes' come from a cow's stomach lining. Also things like milk may not kill *that* animal [but it does an awful lot of suffering] but do you know about the offspring? It needs to be impregnated in order to keep giving milk. The girls follow in momma's hoofs, and the boys? ever heard of veal? I am not a perfect vegetarian-- I fall off the wagon *alot* [right now is one of my off the wagon time frames, blech!]. So I am not trying to show my perfect ways to you. But I wanted to point out a few things, and ask you to research the items you feel you are excluding because it " didn't kill the animals in the process. " You may find you would like to rethink some of those items. ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 I just try to stay away from alot of foods. Jessika I b <canadianmade4u wrote: It is very simple to use. No need to be an expert at cooking etc.... A child can do it. I don't buy sweets either. I make my own unsweetened fruit sorberts. And also is cholesterol free. Hope your day is going well. Irene Marie canadianmade4u VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx wrote: I'm not good at making food. I don't buy sweets or anything. Jessika I b <canadianmade4u wrote: Hello; Perhaps if you bought yourself an ice cream maker that you'd be able to make your own. Ever thought of making your own? Would cost less to make it yourself. VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx wrote: I don't drink milk because I don't like it. I use to eat ice cream but I refuse to buy it because I'll eat the whole thing. I have tried soy milk ice cream once and it was good but it was expensive. Jessika Pixx <lists wrote: VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA wrote: some of my food contains stuff made from animals but didn't kill the animals in the process. * I have no idea what/which items you refer to, but have you done any research on that? I ask, because about 10-15 years ago, I used to think that cheese fell under that category. Now I know better. In most cases, those 'enzymes' come from a cow's stomach lining. Also things like milk may not kill *that* animal [but it does an awful lot of suffering] but do you know about the offspring? It needs to be impregnated in order to keep giving milk. The girls follow in momma's hoofs, and the boys? ever heard of veal? I am not a perfect vegetarian-- I fall off the wagon *alot* [right now is one of my off the wagon time frames, blech!]. So I am not trying to show my perfect ways to you. But I wanted to point out a few things, and ask you to research the items you feel you are excluding because it " didn't kill the animals in the process. " You may find you would like to rethink some of those items. ~Pixx == http://pixxart.com the Art of Living in Health, Peace, & Light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 >I just try to stay away from alot of foods. > I try to stay away from a lot of foods too, the trouble is they just won't stay away from me. ;-) Paul -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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