Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:33 AM, wrote: > I don't want to stop smoking because I'd end up gaining weight. Most do, but you can control yourself. > I'd rather be a smoker than have heart diease or diabetes. Smoking contributes hugely to heart disease, stroke, various cancers, and about a million other diseases and disorders. > I'm so addicted to other things but no illegal drugs anymore. I gave > that up for good but once in a while I'll get a craving for some weed but > I just smoke my ciggies. Seriously, it can be done. Don't quit, just stop. Actually it's my contention that no one ever quits smoking, they just stop. Why? Because the addiction never leaves you. Smoking recalibrates the brains serotonin receptors and you never stop craving nicotine after you're hooked on tobacco. Also, check out the number of additives in tobacco, and their effect. Most are toxic. There are over 600 compounds that can cause grievous harm to bodies found in cigarette smoke. > > Jessika > Death bites. Funerals chew. --Everett Bedford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 > > I'm so addicted to other things but no illegal drugs anymore. I gave > > that up for good but once in a while I'll get a craving for some weed but > > I just smoke my ciggies. Honestly, what's is the REAL difference between using illegal drugs and smoking cigarettes. They are all bad for you. Some are legal and some are illegal. That's IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 That's bad but I still can't stop. I heard that it speeds up metabolism but that's not why I'm addicted. My mom always nags me and my dad about smoking around her because she's not a smoker. She's had like one ciggie in her whole life. She was raised with non smokers and none of my aunts and uncles on my moms side smoke but there are some smokers on her side. There's some on my dads side as well. My grandparents on his side are both dead though. Jessika The Stewarts <stews9 wrote: On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:33 AM, wrote: > I don't want to stop smoking because I'd end up gaining weight. Most do, but you can control yourself. > I'd rather be a smoker than have heart diease or diabetes. Smoking contributes hugely to heart disease, stroke, various cancers, and about a million other diseases and disorders. > I'm so addicted to other things but no illegal drugs anymore. I gave > that up for good but once in a while I'll get a craving for some weed but > I just smoke my ciggies. Seriously, it can be done. Don't quit, just stop. Actually it's my contention that no one ever quits smoking, they just stop. Why? Because the addiction never leaves you. Smoking recalibrates the brains serotonin receptors and you never stop craving nicotine after you're hooked on tobacco. Also, check out the number of additives in tobacco, and their effect. Most are toxic. There are over 600 compounds that can cause grievous harm to bodies found in cigarette smoke. > > Jessika > Death bites. Funerals chew. --Everett Bedford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 You can't die as quickly from ciggie smoking as you can from doing illegal drugs. Jessika Sheryl <ssarndt wrote: > > I'm so addicted to other things but no illegal drugs anymore. I gave > > that up for good but once in a while I'll get a craving for some weed but > > I just smoke my ciggies. Honestly, what's is the REAL difference between using illegal drugs and smoking cigarettes. They are all bad for you. Some are legal and some are illegal. That's IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Jessika, Stopping smoking is the most difficult thing I ever did, so I definitely sympathize. I waited until I had been drug and alcohol free for seven years before I was able to stop smoking longer than two weeks. I made four or five failed attempts before I was finally successful, and I was only able to do it by using Commit Nicotene lozenges, knowing full-well that the product was tested on animals at HLS. I will have to deal with that guilt for a long time. I also had to go on anti-depressants for a month to keep the cravings at bay enough to not go back to smoking. I've been completely nicotene free since July 4, and I still have to deal with at least one craving (usually more) every day and probably will for a long time to come. I smoked for 20 years before I finally stopped, and there is absolutely no guarantee that I won't start again at some point. I just know it won't be today. It's a terrible addiction, by far the worst I've ever had to deal with on so many different levels. We stopped smoking in March, and I finally feel like we've gotten most of the stink out of the house, but the once white appliances, tile and fixtures are permanently stained a sickly yellow and will all have to be replaced. We've only lived in the house for five years, and we only smoked a pack a day a piece. All the walls need to be repainted, and I can still smell the stink in some of the clothes I don't wear very often, even after nearly six months and multiple washings. My husband had to have his teeth professionally bleached to get the stains out of them, and we both had to have a lot of dental work due to the damage cigarettes did to our gums. We've shortened the lives of our beloved dogs, who didn't get to make the choice as to whether or not they wanted to smoke. As far as gaining weight goes, I do have a great tip. Once I finally gave up the anti-depressants and lozenges, I started eating a TON. But I no longer eat refined sugar, I minimize my consumption of white rice and flour, and I don't eat any dairy at all. I eat a lot of fruit, a lot of vegetables and a lot of whole grains. I also increased my activity level, since I found that it helped with the cravings. I stopped losing weight (I had been losing about a pound a week since gain Veg*n), but I didn't gain much, maybe three or five pounds. And recently, now that the cravings have gotten more managable and less frequent, I have stopped eating so much and have started losing again. I get the impression that you are still relatively young, and I sincerely hope you decide to make the leap and stop smoking. Not only is it addictive, cancer-causing, and stinky, but the tobacco industry is responsible for the systematic torture and death of thousands of animals in cruel experiements into the effects of smoking. And, despite the fact that we all know the risks of smoking today, those experiments continue. Sorry for the long rant. I just wanted you to know that you are in my thoughts. Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 Thanks! I'm still a young adult. I'm 21 to be exact. But been smoking since 13. I might decide to quit one day but then I might not. I exercise as well but haven't been because of this terrible cold I have. I should get started back up with it as soon as I can. It's been rather hot where I'm at. I have a membership to the YMCA but didn't go today because I was still feeling sick and my abdominals were hurting when I coughed and my chest was hurting when I took a drink of diet soda. I'm in pretty good shape for someone who smokes. I can still run 6 miles and do an hour on the exercise bikes. I'm starting to miss doing that. Our YMCA was closed last week due to them cleaning it up. Jessika Lori <mrsshf wrote: Jessika, Stopping smoking is the most difficult thing I ever did, so I definitely sympathize. I waited until I had been drug and alcohol free for seven years before I was able to stop smoking longer than two weeks. I made four or five failed attempts before I was finally successful, and I was only able to do it by using Commit Nicotene lozenges, knowing full-well that the product was tested on animals at HLS. I will have to deal with that guilt for a long time. I also had to go on anti-depressants for a month to keep the cravings at bay enough to not go back to smoking. I've been completely nicotene free since July 4, and I still have to deal with at least one craving (usually more) every day and probably will for a long time to come. I smoked for 20 years before I finally stopped, and there is absolutely no guarantee that I won't start again at some point. I just know it won't be today. It's a terrible addiction, by far the worst I've ever had to deal with on so many different levels. We stopped smoking in March, and I finally feel like we've gotten most of the stink out of the house, but the once white appliances, tile and fixtures are permanently stained a sickly yellow and will all have to be replaced. We've only lived in the house for five years, and we only smoked a pack a day a piece. All the walls need to be repainted, and I can still smell the stink in some of the clothes I don't wear very often, even after nearly six months and multiple washings. My husband had to have his teeth professionally bleached to get the stains out of them, and we both had to have a lot of dental work due to the damage cigarettes did to our gums. We've shortened the lives of our beloved dogs, who didn't get to make the choice as to whether or not they wanted to smoke. As far as gaining weight goes, I do have a great tip. Once I finally gave up the anti-depressants and lozenges, I started eating a TON. But I no longer eat refined sugar, I minimize my consumption of white rice and flour, and I don't eat any dairy at all. I eat a lot of fruit, a lot of vegetables and a lot of whole grains. I also increased my activity level, since I found that it helped with the cravings. I stopped losing weight (I had been losing about a pound a week since gain Veg*n), but I didn't gain much, maybe three or five pounds. And recently, now that the cravings have gotten more managable and less frequent, I have stopped eating so much and have started losing again. I get the impression that you are still relatively young, and I sincerely hope you decide to make the leap and stop smoking. Not only is it addictive, cancer-causing, and stinky, but the tobacco industry is responsible for the systematic torture and death of thousands of animals in cruel experiements into the effects of smoking. And, despite the fact that we all know the risks of smoking today, those experiments continue. Sorry for the long rant. I just wanted you to know that you are in my thoughts. Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 , VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx> wrote: > That's bad but I still can't stop. I heard that it speeds up metabolism but that's not why I'm addicted. YES YOU CAN!!!!!!! If you want to quit, you can. BELIEVE IT AND IT WILL BE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 I wish I never started but it's a really hard addiction to break. I battle other addictions but none of them are as hard to give up as smoking is. Jessika Sheryl <ssarndt wrote: , VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx> wrote: > That's bad but I still can't stop. I heard that it speeds up metabolism but that's not why I'm addicted. YES YOU CAN!!!!!!! If you want to quit, you can. BELIEVE IT AND IT WILL BE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2003 Report Share Posted August 18, 2003 >Why? Because the addiction never leaves you. Not true. I quit smoking about 11 years ago. I NEVER crave cigarettes anymore!!!! ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt- " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 my dad quit cold turkey in '87 and hasn't looked back since. and lord knows, with his & my mom's marriage it hadn't been easy. ggg and to this day my mom continues to smoke though she's tried quitting, but my dad never picked up again. Megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 - > I wish I never started but it's a really hard addiction to break. I battle other addictions but none of them are as hard to give up as smoking is. > > Jessika let met guess, if it was 13 when you started, it either started with some peer pressure from your junior high friends, or because you wanted to experiment & look cool? (not blasting you here, just genuinely curious because my friends tried the same thing on me when i was your age; luckily, i hated the taste of it first off and i'm mildly allergic to boot. sadly, that's how a lot of smokers *including my mom and dad* get started) Megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I thought I was the only smoker in this group. lol! Jessika Jan P <alexandria812 wrote: Lori, Its good to hear a succesful story on quitting smoking. What kind of nerve pills did the doc put you on to help you through the cravings? My youngest son goes to 1st grad in a few days and I am thinking of quitting myself. I always was able to quit when I was pregnet. But something would always make me start again. Usually something real stressful. Hope everyone has a great day! Jan - " Lori " <mrsshf Monday, August 18, 2003 9:44 PM Re: Ashes to Ashes > Jessika, > > Stopping smoking is the most difficult thing I ever > did, so I definitely sympathize. I waited until I had > been drug and alcohol free for seven years before I > was able to stop smoking longer than two weeks. I > made four or five failed attempts before I was finally > successful, and I was only able to do it by using > Commit Nicotene lozenges, knowing full-well that the > product was tested on animals at HLS. I will have to > deal with that guilt for a long time. I also had to > go on anti-depressants for a month to keep the > cravings at bay enough to not go back to smoking. > I've been completely nicotene free since July 4, and I > still have to deal with at least one craving (usually > more) every day and probably will for a long time to > come. > > I smoked for 20 years before I finally stopped, and > there is absolutely no guarantee that I won't start > again at some point. I just know it won't be today. > It's a terrible addiction, by far the worst I've ever > had to deal with on so many different levels. > > We stopped smoking in March, and I finally feel like > we've gotten most of the stink out of the house, but > the once white appliances, tile and fixtures are > permanently stained a sickly yellow and will all have > to be replaced. We've only lived in the house for > five years, and we only smoked a pack a day a piece. > All the walls need to be repainted, and I can still > smell the stink in some of the clothes I don't wear > very often, even after nearly six months and multiple > washings. > > My husband had to have his teeth professionally > bleached to get the stains out of them, and we both > had to have a lot of dental work due to the damage > cigarettes did to our gums. We've shortened the lives > of our beloved dogs, who didn't get to make the choice > as to whether or not they wanted to smoke. > > As far as gaining weight goes, I do have a great tip. > Once I finally gave up the anti-depressants and > lozenges, I started eating a TON. But I no longer eat > refined sugar, I minimize my consumption of white rice > and flour, and I don't eat any dairy at all. I eat a > lot of fruit, a lot of vegetables and a lot of whole > grains. I also increased my activity level, since I > found that it helped with the cravings. I stopped > losing weight (I had been losing about a pound a week > since gain Veg*n), but I didn't gain much, maybe three > or five pounds. And recently, now that the cravings > have gotten more managable and less frequent, I have > stopped eating so much and have started losing again. > > I get the impression that you are still relatively > young, and I sincerely hope you decide to make the > leap and stop smoking. Not only is it addictive, > cancer-causing, and stinky, but the tobacco industry > is responsible for the systematic torture and death of > thousands of animals in cruel experiements into the > effects of smoking. And, despite the fact that we all > know the risks of smoking today, those experiments > continue. > > Sorry for the long rant. I just wanted you to know > that you are in my thoughts. > > Lori > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Lori, Its good to hear a succesful story on quitting smoking. What kind of nerve pills did the doc put you on to help you through the cravings? My youngest son goes to 1st grad in a few days and I am thinking of quitting myself. I always was able to quit when I was pregnet. But something would always make me start again. Usually something real stressful. Hope everyone has a great day! Jan - " Lori " <mrsshf Monday, August 18, 2003 9:44 PM Re: Ashes to Ashes > Jessika, > > Stopping smoking is the most difficult thing I ever > did, so I definitely sympathize. I waited until I had > been drug and alcohol free for seven years before I > was able to stop smoking longer than two weeks. I > made four or five failed attempts before I was finally > successful, and I was only able to do it by using > Commit Nicotene lozenges, knowing full-well that the > product was tested on animals at HLS. I will have to > deal with that guilt for a long time. I also had to > go on anti-depressants for a month to keep the > cravings at bay enough to not go back to smoking. > I've been completely nicotene free since July 4, and I > still have to deal with at least one craving (usually > more) every day and probably will for a long time to > come. > > I smoked for 20 years before I finally stopped, and > there is absolutely no guarantee that I won't start > again at some point. I just know it won't be today. > It's a terrible addiction, by far the worst I've ever > had to deal with on so many different levels. > > We stopped smoking in March, and I finally feel like > we've gotten most of the stink out of the house, but > the once white appliances, tile and fixtures are > permanently stained a sickly yellow and will all have > to be replaced. We've only lived in the house for > five years, and we only smoked a pack a day a piece. > All the walls need to be repainted, and I can still > smell the stink in some of the clothes I don't wear > very often, even after nearly six months and multiple > washings. > > My husband had to have his teeth professionally > bleached to get the stains out of them, and we both > had to have a lot of dental work due to the damage > cigarettes did to our gums. We've shortened the lives > of our beloved dogs, who didn't get to make the choice > as to whether or not they wanted to smoke. > > As far as gaining weight goes, I do have a great tip. > Once I finally gave up the anti-depressants and > lozenges, I started eating a TON. But I no longer eat > refined sugar, I minimize my consumption of white rice > and flour, and I don't eat any dairy at all. I eat a > lot of fruit, a lot of vegetables and a lot of whole > grains. I also increased my activity level, since I > found that it helped with the cravings. I stopped > losing weight (I had been losing about a pound a week > since gain Veg*n), but I didn't gain much, maybe three > or five pounds. And recently, now that the cravings > have gotten more managable and less frequent, I have > stopped eating so much and have started losing again. > > I get the impression that you are still relatively > young, and I sincerely hope you decide to make the > leap and stop smoking. Not only is it addictive, > cancer-causing, and stinky, but the tobacco industry > is responsible for the systematic torture and death of > thousands of animals in cruel experiements into the > effects of smoking. And, despite the fact that we all > know the risks of smoking today, those experiments > continue. > > Sorry for the long rant. I just wanted you to know > that you are in my thoughts. > > Lori > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 Yes it is! Jessika Megan Milligan <yasminduran wrote: - > I wish I never started but it's a really hard addiction to break. I battle other addictions but none of them are as hard to give up as smoking is. > > Jessika let met guess, if it was 13 when you started, it either started with some peer pressure from your junior high friends, or because you wanted to experiment & look cool? (not blasting you here, just genuinely curious because my friends tried the same thing on me when i was your age; luckily, i hated the taste of it first off and i'm mildly allergic to boot. sadly, that's how a lot of smokers *including my mom and dad* get started) Megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 That's good that he quit. Jessika Megan Milligan <yasminduran wrote: my dad quit cold turkey in '87 and hasn't looked back since. and lord knows, with his & my mom's marriage it hadn't been easy. ggg and to this day my mom continues to smoke though she's tried quitting, but my dad never picked up again. Megan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I was on Wellbutrin, which is essentially the same drug as Zyban. The difference is that my insurance won't pay for Zyban (kind of stupid if you think about it), and Zyban is over $125 per bottle. Wellbutrin is covered by my medical insurance, so it only cost me $5.00 per bottle. Also, I was on a higher dosage than what is in Zyban. I was able to successfully stop using Zyban in the past, but I really didn't have the motivation, and I went back to smoking six days after I stopped taking the pills. This time I stopped smoking and started taking the lozenges. Then I gradually weaned myself down to two lozenges a day (it took me three months to get to that point), then went on the anti-depressants and quit taking the lozenges. All in all, it was a protracted period of fairly intense pain, and I probably would have saved myself a lot of suffering if I would have been able to stop cold turkey. But going through all the pain is one of the things that keeps me from starting again, because I don't want to have to go through withdrawals like that again. --- Jan P <alexandria812 wrote: > Lori, > Its good to hear a succesful story on quitting > smoking. What kind of nerve > pills did the doc put you on to help you through the > cravings? My youngest > son goes to 1st grad in a few days and I am thinking > of quitting myself. I > always was able to quit when I was pregnet. But > something would always make > me start again. Usually something real stressful. > Hope everyone has a great > day! Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 thanks. you know how bad pall mall's (the unfiltered kind) made my clothes smell? blech! add to that the stigma of being in junior high at the time, and at the mercy of the jocks & preppies. aiee! the horror! *heh* if i have to put up with cigarettes, i'd much rather put up with the filtered or herbal type. they don't smell nearly as bad. :-) megan - > That's good that he quit. > > Jessika > > Megan Milligan <yasminduran wrote: > my dad quit cold turkey in '87 and hasn't looked back since. and lord > knows, with his & my mom's marriage it hadn't been easy. ggg and to this > day my mom continues to smoke though she's tried quitting, but my dad never > picked up again. > > Megan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 I think Black N Milds smell pretty good. My bf bought some foreign kinds and one of them was unfiltered. I had one of those things and didn't like it that well. Jessika Megan Milligan <yasminduran wrote: thanks. you know how bad pall mall's (the unfiltered kind) made my clothes smell? blech! add to that the stigma of being in junior high at the time, and at the mercy of the jocks & preppies. aiee! the horror! *heh* if i have to put up with cigarettes, i'd much rather put up with the filtered or herbal type. they don't smell nearly as bad. :-) megan - > That's good that he quit. > > Jessika > > Megan Milligan <yasminduran wrote: > my dad quit cold turkey in '87 and hasn't looked back since. and lord > knows, with his & my mom's marriage it hadn't been easy. ggg and to this > day my mom continues to smoke though she's tried quitting, but my dad never > picked up again. > > Megan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 lol ; ) - " VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA " <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:47 PM Re: Ashes to Ashes > I thought I was the only smoker in this group. lol! > > Jessika > Jan P <alexandria812 wrote: > Lori, > Its good to hear a succesful story on quitting smoking. What kind of nerve > pills did the doc put you on to help you through the cravings? My youngest > son goes to 1st grad in a few days and I am thinking of quitting myself. I > always was able to quit when I was pregnet. But something would always make > me start again. Usually something real stressful. Hope everyone has a great > day! Jan > - > " Lori " <mrsshf > > Monday, August 18, 2003 9:44 PM > Re: Ashes to Ashes > > > > Jessika, > > > > Stopping smoking is the most difficult thing I ever > > did, so I definitely sympathize. I waited until I had > > been drug and alcohol free for seven years before I > > was able to stop smoking longer than two weeks. I > > made four or five failed attempts before I was finally > > successful, and I was only able to do it by using > > Commit Nicotene lozenges, knowing full-well that the > > product was tested on animals at HLS. I will have to > > deal with that guilt for a long time. I also had to > > go on anti-depressants for a month to keep the > > cravings at bay enough to not go back to smoking. > > I've been completely nicotene free since July 4, and I > > still have to deal with at least one craving (usually > > more) every day and probably will for a long time to > > come. > > > > I smoked for 20 years before I finally stopped, and > > there is absolutely no guarantee that I won't start > > again at some point. I just know it won't be today. > > It's a terrible addiction, by far the worst I've ever > > had to deal with on so many different levels. > > > > We stopped smoking in March, and I finally feel like > > we've gotten most of the stink out of the house, but > > the once white appliances, tile and fixtures are > > permanently stained a sickly yellow and will all have > > to be replaced. We've only lived in the house for > > five years, and we only smoked a pack a day a piece. > > All the walls need to be repainted, and I can still > > smell the stink in some of the clothes I don't wear > > very often, even after nearly six months and multiple > > washings. > > > > My husband had to have his teeth professionally > > bleached to get the stains out of them, and we both > > had to have a lot of dental work due to the damage > > cigarettes did to our gums. We've shortened the lives > > of our beloved dogs, who didn't get to make the choice > > as to whether or not they wanted to smoke. > > > > As far as gaining weight goes, I do have a great tip. > > Once I finally gave up the anti-depressants and > > lozenges, I started eating a TON. But I no longer eat > > refined sugar, I minimize my consumption of white rice > > and flour, and I don't eat any dairy at all. I eat a > > lot of fruit, a lot of vegetables and a lot of whole > > grains. I also increased my activity level, since I > > found that it helped with the cravings. I stopped > > losing weight (I had been losing about a pound a week > > since gain Veg*n), but I didn't gain much, maybe three > > or five pounds. And recently, now that the cravings > > have gotten more managable and less frequent, I have > > stopped eating so much and have started losing again. > > > > I get the impression that you are still relatively > > young, and I sincerely hope you decide to make the > > leap and stop smoking. Not only is it addictive, > > cancer-causing, and stinky, but the tobacco industry > > is responsible for the systematic torture and death of > > thousands of animals in cruel experiements into the > > effects of smoking. And, despite the fact that we all > > know the risks of smoking today, those experiments > > continue. > > > > Sorry for the long rant. I just wanted you to know > > that you are in my thoughts. > > > > Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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