Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I can try. Here is my definition in a nutshell. The term vegetarian can and does encompass vegans. However, since there are also some people (vegetarians) who still eat dairy, eggs and honey, wear leather and use some animal products, certain vegetarians wanted a term that set them apart. The term vegan basically means you don't eat anything dairy, no eggs, usually no honey, and avoid any product or clothing item that might have caused suffering for an animal. The term vegetarian means you might or might not still do some of those things, but that you don't eat the flesh of a dead animal. ~ PT ~ The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. ~Thomas Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1895) ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> , " Jan P " <alexandria812@a...> wrote: > Can someone tell me what is the difference between vegetarian and vegan > is??? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I still wear my leather coat in the winter and eat some dairy products but not much. Jessika Feral <terebinthus wrote: I can try. Here is my definition in a nutshell. The term vegetarian can and does encompass vegans. However, since there are also some people (vegetarians) who still eat dairy, eggs and honey, wear leather and use some animal products, certain vegetarians wanted a term that set them apart. The term vegan basically means you don't eat anything dairy, no eggs, usually no honey, and avoid any product or clothing item that might have caused suffering for an animal. The term vegetarian means you might or might not still do some of those things, but that you don't eat the flesh of a dead animal. ~ PT ~ The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. ~Thomas Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1895) ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> , " Jan P " <alexandria812@a...> wrote: > Can someone tell me what is the difference between vegetarian and vegan > is??? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 I only eat that like once a week at the most. Jessika Jan P <alexandria812 wrote: What about sea food????? I heard people will still eat that and that to me is weird, its a animal. Jan - " VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA " <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:22 PM Re: Re: the difference > I still wear my leather coat in the winter and eat some dairy products but not much. > > Jessika > > Feral <terebinthus wrote: > I can try. Here is my definition in a nutshell. > > The term vegetarian can and does encompass vegans. > However, since there are also some people (vegetarians) > who still eat dairy, eggs and honey, wear leather and use > some animal products, certain vegetarians wanted a term > that set them apart. The term vegan basically means you > don't eat anything dairy, no eggs, usually no honey, and > avoid any product or clothing item that might have caused > suffering for an animal. > > The term vegetarian means you might or might not still do > some of those things, but that you don't eat the flesh of a > dead animal. > > ~ PT ~ > > The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a > beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. > ~Thomas Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1895) > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> > , " Jan P " > <alexandria812@a...> > wrote: > > Can someone tell me what is the difference between vegetarian and > vegan > > is??? Jan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 ok thanks!!! Jan - " Feral " <terebinthus Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:55 AM Re: the difference > I can try. Here is my definition in a nutshell. > > The term vegetarian can and does encompass vegans. > However, since there are also some people (vegetarians) > who still eat dairy, eggs and honey, wear leather and use > some animal products, certain vegetarians wanted a term > that set them apart. The term vegan basically means you > don't eat anything dairy, no eggs, usually no honey, and > avoid any product or clothing item that might have caused > suffering for an animal. > > The term vegetarian means you might or might not still do > some of those things, but that you don't eat the flesh of a > dead animal. > > ~ PT ~ > > The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a > beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. > ~Thomas Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1895) > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> > , " Jan P " > <alexandria812@a...> > wrote: > > Can someone tell me what is the difference between vegetarian and > vegan > > is??? Jan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Seafood comes from animals and thus is not part of a vegetarian or vegan diet. If it ever had a face, a nervous system or its own source of locomotion, it's not vegetarian. There is a lot of confusion about this in society because a lot of people who eat seafood call themselves vegetarians when, in fact, they are not. > What about sea food????? I heard people will still eat that and that to me > is weird, its a animal. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 What about sea food????? I heard people will still eat that and that to me is weird, its a animal. Jan - " VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA " <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:22 PM Re: Re: the difference > I still wear my leather coat in the winter and eat some dairy products but not much. > > Jessika > > Feral <terebinthus wrote: > I can try. Here is my definition in a nutshell. > > The term vegetarian can and does encompass vegans. > However, since there are also some people (vegetarians) > who still eat dairy, eggs and honey, wear leather and use > some animal products, certain vegetarians wanted a term > that set them apart. The term vegan basically means you > don't eat anything dairy, no eggs, usually no honey, and > avoid any product or clothing item that might have caused > suffering for an animal. > > The term vegetarian means you might or might not still do > some of those things, but that you don't eat the flesh of a > dead animal. > > ~ PT ~ > > The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a > beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. > ~Thomas Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1895) > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> > , " Jan P " > <alexandria812@a...> > wrote: > > Can someone tell me what is the difference between vegetarian and > vegan > > is??? Jan > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 In a message dated 8/21/03 7:44:17 AM, writes: > > Seafood comes from animals and thus is not part of a vegetarian or > vegan diet. If it ever had a face, a nervous system or its own > source of locomotion, it's not vegetarian. There is a lot of > confusion about this in society because a lot of people who eat > seafood call themselves vegetarians when, in fact, they are not. > a lot of people eat chicken, beef, and pork but consider themselves vegetarian. i forget the exact numbers, but i believe that it comprises more than half of the people who consider themselves veggie. it's a mad mad mad mad mad mad world. melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Well said. ~ pt ~ The easiest kind of relationship for me is with ten thousand people. The hardest is with one. ~Joan Baez, musician (1941- ) ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> wrote: > > Seafood comes from animals and thus is not part of a vegetarian or > vegan diet. If it ever had a face, a nervous system or its own > source of locomotion, it's not vegetarian. There is a lot of > confusion about this in society because a lot of people who eat > seafood call themselves vegetarians when, in fact, they are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 the " fish-eating vegetarians " call themselves pescatarians, but to me this seems analogous to a straight edge who likes to get hammered every now and then. , " Feral " <terebinthus> wrote: > Well said. > > ~ pt ~ > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> > , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> > wro > > Seafood comes from animals and thus is not part of a vegetarian or vegan diet. If it ever had a face, a nervous system or its own > > source of locomotion, it's not vegetarian. There is a lot of > > confusion about this in society because a lot of people who eat > > seafood call themselves vegetarians when, in fact, they are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 >a lot of people who eat seafood call themselves >vegetarians when, in fact, they are not. I agree with this. It really bothers me too. They seem to think that just because it didn't walk on land that it's not really meat. But it is!! ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt- " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 I dont eat meat becasue I think it is gross. That is my only reason. I dont put anyone down because they do. So dont think the sea food comment was to be snotty or anything, just something I didnt understand. Jan - " VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA " <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:44 AM Re: Re: the difference > I only eat that like once a week at the most. > > Jessika > > Jan P <alexandria812 wrote: > What about sea food????? I heard people will still eat that and that to me > is weird, its a animal. Jan > - > " VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA " <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:22 PM > Re: Re: the difference > > > > I still wear my leather coat in the winter and eat some dairy products but > not much. > > > > Jessika > > > > Feral <terebinthus wrote: > > I can try. Here is my definition in a nutshell. > > > > The term vegetarian can and does encompass vegans. > > However, since there are also some people (vegetarians) > > who still eat dairy, eggs and honey, wear leather and use > > some animal products, certain vegetarians wanted a term > > that set them apart. The term vegan basically means you > > don't eat anything dairy, no eggs, usually no honey, and > > avoid any product or clothing item that might have caused > > suffering for an animal. > > > > The term vegetarian means you might or might not still do > > some of those things, but that you don't eat the flesh of a > > dead animal. > > > > ~ PT ~ > > > > The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a > > beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. > > ~Thomas Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1895) > > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> > > , " Jan P " > > <alexandria812@a...> > > wrote: > > > Can someone tell me what is the difference between vegetarian and > > vegan > > > is??? Jan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Other than the seafood, I'm a true veggie. Jessika Jan P <alexandria812 wrote: I dont eat meat becasue I think it is gross. That is my only reason. I dont put anyone down because they do. So dont think the sea food comment was to be snotty or anything, just something I didnt understand. Jan - " VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA " <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:44 AM Re: Re: the difference > I only eat that like once a week at the most. > > Jessika > > Jan P <alexandria812 wrote: > What about sea food????? I heard people will still eat that and that to me > is weird, its a animal. Jan > - > " VaMpYrEsS JeSsIkA " <xxx_vampyress_jessika_xxx > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 5:22 PM > Re: Re: the difference > > > > I still wear my leather coat in the winter and eat some dairy products but > not much. > > > > Jessika > > > > Feral <terebinthus wrote: > > I can try. Here is my definition in a nutshell. > > > > The term vegetarian can and does encompass vegans. > > However, since there are also some people (vegetarians) > > who still eat dairy, eggs and honey, wear leather and use > > some animal products, certain vegetarians wanted a term > > that set them apart. The term vegan basically means you > > don't eat anything dairy, no eggs, usually no honey, and > > avoid any product or clothing item that might have caused > > suffering for an animal. > > > > The term vegetarian means you might or might not still do > > some of those things, but that you don't eat the flesh of a > > dead animal. > > > > ~ PT ~ > > > > The great tragedy of science -- the slaying of a > > beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. > > ~Thomas Huxley, biologist and writer (1825-1895) > > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~> > > , " Jan P " > > <alexandria812@a...> > > wrote: > > > Can someone tell me what is the difference between vegetarian and > > vegan > > > is??? Jan > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 >a lot of people eat chicken, beef, and pork but consider >themselves vegetarian. How can they consider themselves vegetarian if they eat meat? Hmmmmm....... ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt- " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 > Other than the seafood, I'm a true veggie. That's a contradiction in terms - and rather annoying to vegetarians of all stripes. Pat -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet " - Gandhi * " But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh, we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy. " - Plutarch ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Yes, it certainly is. ~ PT ~ The great man is he who does not lose his child-heart. ~ Mencius ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~> , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > > Other than the seafood, I'm a true veggie. > > That's a contradiction in terms - and rather annoying to vegetarians of > all stripes. > > Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 They are not vegetarian in my book when you consider the true sense of the word. I would prefer to call them " aspiring vegetarians " . I like to consider myself an " aspiring vegan " since I am not truly vegan, but aspire to reach that goal one day. If that terminology does not work, then I prefer " semi-vegetarian " . The fact that some people who eat meat still call themselves " vegetarian " causes those of us who ARE vegetarians much undue confusion and stress when people assume that we may still eat some meat products. , " Jan P " <alexandria812@a...> wrote: > To my that sounds like someone who thinks be a vegatrian is cool and wants > to fit in.... lol Meat is Meat > Jan > a lot of people eat chicken, beef, and pork but consider themselves > vegetarian. i forget the exact numbers, but i believe that it comprises > more than > half of the people who consider themselves veggie. it's a mad mad mad mad > mad > mad world. > - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 It's like saying, other than smoking one pack of cigarettes a day, I'm a non-smoker!!! I agree, it is VERY annoying when people confuse the terms. Please see the definition of vegetarian and note that it does not include eating anything with a face, a nervous system or it's own source of locomotion. This includes seafood. , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > > Other than the seafood, I'm a true veggie. > > That's a contradiction in terms - and rather annoying to vegetarians of > all stripes. > > Pat > -- > SANTBROWN@L... > townhounds/ > http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet " - Gandhi > > * " But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh, we deprive a soul > of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had > been born into the world to enjoy. " - Plutarch > ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 To my that sounds like someone who thinks be a vegatrian is cool and wants to fit in.... lol Meat is Meat Jan - <Nadiana1 Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:05 PM Re: the difference In a message dated 8/21/03 7:44:17 AM, writes: > > Seafood comes from animals and thus is not part of a vegetarian or > vegan diet. If it ever had a face, a nervous system or its own > source of locomotion, it's not vegetarian. There is a lot of > confusion about this in society because a lot of people who eat > seafood call themselves vegetarians when, in fact, they are not. > a lot of people eat chicken, beef, and pork but consider themselves vegetarian. i forget the exact numbers, but i believe that it comprises more than half of the people who consider themselves veggie. it's a mad mad mad mad mad mad world. melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 if only being a vegetarian was considered cool.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Dave, How true! Carol - dave Friday, August 22, 2003 10:21 PM Re: the difference if only being a vegetarian was considered cool.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> wrote: >The fact that some > people who eat meat still call themselves " vegetarian " causes those > of us who ARE vegetarians much undue confusion and stress when > people assume that we may still eat some meat products. Yes! Yes! Yes! I don't know how many times I have been asked, by well-meaning family members or just by confused folks, what types of meat I still eat as a vegetarian. *lol* I just tell them, as patiently as I can, that a vegetarian eats NO flesh of dead animals. Sometimes it still confuses them with little details, like if we eat soups made with chicken stock or if it is a big deal if lard or bacon fat is in a recipe, etc. I think it isn't so much their fault and it is because of people who claim to be vegetarians but they aren't really vegetarians and eat some meat. Messes everyone all up. ~ PT ~ True eloquence consists of saying all that should be said, and that only. ~ Francois de La Rochefoucald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Yeah. Everyone who has at one time or another been made to feel like an uncool nerd over their vegetarianism, raise your hand! *lol* :::raises hand::: Oh well, my animal friends think I am very cool. ~ PT ~ Faith: not wanting to know what is true. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~> , " Dale and Carol Wade " < caroldalewade@e...> wrote: > Dave, How true! > > Carol > - > dave > if only being a vegetarian was considered cool.. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Exactly. This issue is a pet peeve of mine!!!! I do my best to be patient, but those people out there confusing it for us are the ones to blame, not the innocent meat-eaters!! , " ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> > wrote: > >The fact that some > > people who eat meat still call themselves " vegetarian " causes those > > of us who ARE vegetarians much undue confusion and stress when > > people assume that we may still eat some meat products. > > Yes! Yes! Yes! I don't know how many times I have > been asked, by well-meaning family members or just > by confused folks, what types of meat I still eat as a > vegetarian. *lol* I just tell them, as patiently as I can, > that a vegetarian eats NO flesh of dead animals. > Sometimes it still confuses them with little details, > like if we eat soups made with chicken stock or if it > is a big deal if lard or bacon fat is in a recipe, etc. > I think it isn't so much their fault and it is because of > people who claim to be vegetarians but they aren't > really vegetarians and eat some meat. > Messes everyone all up. > > ~ PT ~ > > True eloquence consists of saying all that should be said, > and that only. > ~ Francois de La Rochefoucald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2003 Report Share Posted August 22, 2003 Actually, should we blame the Catholic church for convincing us that fish is not really meat and acceptable to eat on Fridays???????? I think that is part of where it all started. , " ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> > wrote: > >The fact that some > > people who eat meat still call themselves " vegetarian " causes those > > of us who ARE vegetarians much undue confusion and stress when > > people assume that we may still eat some meat products. > > Yes! Yes! Yes! I don't know how many times I have > been asked, by well-meaning family members or just > by confused folks, what types of meat I still eat as a > vegetarian. *lol* I just tell them, as patiently as I can, > that a vegetarian eats NO flesh of dead animals. > Sometimes it still confuses them with little details, > like if we eat soups made with chicken stock or if it > is a big deal if lard or bacon fat is in a recipe, etc. > I think it isn't so much their fault and it is because of > people who claim to be vegetarians but they aren't > really vegetarians and eat some meat. > Messes everyone all up. > > ~ PT ~ > > True eloquence consists of saying all that should be said, > and that only. > ~ Francois de La Rochefoucald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 >>>:::raises hand::: My hands raised too!! My animals think I'm pretty cool too. Let's see there's the 2 dogs, the cat, the 2 hamsters and the 2 Iguanas. I think I have a zoo here!! LOL But they're all very well taken care of!!!! ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt- " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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