Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Good point, yes. We'll have to keep searching for the right word. On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 10:41 AM, wrote: > Message: 2 > Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:00:10 -0400 > " Pixx " <lists > Re: Meat Means Food > >>>> Flesh is perhaps a better way of putting it. > > > ** > Not necessarily.......I have heard " flesh " used when referring to non- > animal food, just like " meat " is used that way. [see # 3] > > No matter how bad a state of mind you may get into, if you keep strong and hold out, eventually the floating clouds must vanish and the withering wind must cease. -Dogen From " The Pocket Zen Reader, " edited by Thomas Cleary, 1999. Reprinted by arrangement with Shambhala Publications, Boston, www.shambhala.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 The Stewarts wrote: We'll have to keep searching for the right word. ** Animal == Want to see what I've been reading?? http://pixxart.com/bc http://bookcrossing.com/referral/PHC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 >Animal Is a fish an animal? Some people would say no. I think it is though. ~Janice~ Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. -Eleanor Roosevelt- " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Why is a fish not an animal to some people? I just don't get it! It belongs to the animal kingdom and is obviously not a plant. I never understood that logic. > >Animal > > Is a fish an animal? Some people would say no. I think it is though. > ~Janice~ > Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! > > Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. > -Eleanor Roosevelt- > > " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " > > If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. > ~Paul McCartney ~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 >>>Why is a fish not an animal to some people? I just don't get it! It belongs to the animal kingdom and is obviously not a plant. I never understood that logic. I don't get it either. But I guess that's the way some minds work. Maybe it's because it doesn't have legs. ~Janice~ ********************************************************************************\ ************* Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. ~Eleanor Roosevelt~ ********************************************************************************\ ************* If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. ~Paul McCartney ~ ********************************************************************************\ ************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 , " ~Janice~ " <serenity1@m...> wrote: > >>>Why is a fish not an animal to some people? I just don't get it! It belongs to the animal kingdom and is obviously not a plant. I never understood that logic. > > I don't get it either. But I guess that's the way some minds work. Maybe it's because it doesn't have legs. hmmm......lobsters have legs. i think a lot of people don't think lobsters are meat either!!! a friend of mine suggested that i should be able to eat a sea cucumber. i don't know much about them, but she said they don't have faces, eyes or legs and that they attach to something in the sea, so they don't move either. i'll betcha they have a central nervous system, though!! (I had to add that part to my list of " won't eats " since my friend brought up the sea cucumber.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Ugh, I just got a digest from another vegetarian list I am on and these two women were gushing back and forth giving eachother cooking tips for seasoning and deboning trout! Gods! I finally had to say something. It is bad enough for me to wade through meat-filled posts on some of my other cooking lists that are for everyone, not just vegetarians, but to have to read such horrid descriptions on a vegetarian list is rather sickening to me. I'll no doubt get flamed for my response, but I just couldn't see letting that slide. These ladies are obviously of the ilk that believes fish to be non-meat items. Funny they have to debone those non-meats foods eh? *blech* ~ PT ~ The discovery of what is true, and the practice of that which is good, are the two most important objects of philosophy. ~ Voltaire ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~> , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> wrote: > , " ~Janice~ " > <serenity1@m...> wrote: > > >>>Why is a fish not an animal to some people? I just don't get > it! It belongs to the animal kingdom and is obviously not a plant. > I never understood that logic. > > > > I don't get it either. But I guess that's the way some minds work. > Maybe it's because it doesn't have legs. > > > hmmm......lobsters have legs. i think a lot of people don't think > lobsters are meat either!!! > a friend of mine suggested that i should be able to eat a sea > cucumber. i don't know much about them, but she said they don't > have faces, eyes or legs and that they attach to something in the > sea, so they don't move either. i'll betcha they have a central > nervous system, though!! (I had to add that part to my list > of " won't eats " since my friend brought up the sea cucumber.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 even insects belong to the animal kingdom.. Scientists do not consider apes or other animals who only eat insects and fruit herbivores. I think the " fish is not a meat " claim is due to a combination of what gene said (people lying to themselves) and also just going along with what almost everyone else says... Grocery stores have a separate section for meat and " seafood " . I swear I overheard a lady say " I'm a vegetarian, but I do love fish. " This seems peculiar because she seems to be acknowledge that fish is a meat, but still considers herself vegetarian. When my gf went on a cruise w/ her family she ordered a vegetarian meal. She noticed a fishy-esque substance in it. When she asked the waiter what it was, he said, " fish. " She then reminded him that it was the vegetarian plate. He then replied, " Oh, then it must be tofu. " Her parents then told her she was being rude. So some people clearly recognize fish is not vegetarian but apparently there are enough people claiming to be veg who don't complain or care when they are served fish. , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> wrote: > > Why is a fish not an animal to some people? I just don't get it! > It belongs to the animal kingdom and is obviously not a plant. I > never understood that logic. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 I just watched 'About Smidt' last night [total bore] and there was a couple scenes that really grossed me out....I know it isn't about vegetarianism, so seeing meat in a movie might be expected......but these cooking scenes were way to graphic. On 25 Aug 2003 at 17:52, ~ P_T ~ wrote: Ugh, I just got a digest from another vegetarian list I am on and these two women were gushing back and forth giving eachother cooking tips for seasoning and deboning trout! Gods! == Want to see what I've been reading?? http://pixxart.com/bc http://bookcrossing.com/referral/PHC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 sea cucumbers are related to starfish and sea urchins, they are not vegetables as their name might imply. , " Sheryl " <ssarndt> wrote: > , " ~Janice~ " > <serenity1@m...> wrote: > > >>>Why is a fish not an animal to some people? I just don't get > it! It belongs to the animal kingdom and is obviously not a plant. > I never understood that logic. > > > > I don't get it either. But I guess that's the way some minds work. > Maybe it's because it doesn't have legs. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 neither does Christopher Reeves, but I still consider him an animal. , " Pixx " <lists@p...> wrote: > Hmm, wait a minute-- A sponge is an animal- they don't " move on > its own " , do they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Hmm, wait a minute-- A sponge is an animal- they don't " move on its own " , do they? Jan P wrote: I think fish would be an animal like someone else stated. anything that is living and has eyes and central nervouse system. That moves on its on. That thinks of ways to get food. I see it as I was taught in school animals and plants. Jan == Want to see what I've been reading?? http://pixxart.com/bc http://bookcrossing.com/referral/PHC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 There was an episode of Trading Spaces where Genevieve used meat as art. It was pretty darn gross. She used the meat to make into shapes and took pictures of it and hung it on the walls of this home. I know I'd have been furious if that was my house! , " Pixx " <lists@p...> wrote: > I just watched 'About Smidt' last night [total bore] and there was a > couple scenes that really grossed me out....I know it isn't about > vegetarianism, so seeing meat in a movie might be > expected......but these cooking scenes were way to graphic. > > On 25 Aug 2003 at 17:52, ~ P_T ~ wrote: > > Ugh, I just got a digest from another vegetarian list > I am on and these two women were gushing back and > forth giving eachother cooking tips for seasoning and > deboning trout! Gods! > > > == > Want to see what I've been reading?? > http://pixxart.com/bc > http://bookcrossing.com/referral/PHC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 , " Pixx " <lists@p...> wrote: > Hmm, wait a minute-- A sponge is an animal- they don't " move on > its own " , do they? > no, and sea cucumbers don't move on their own either, but i think they would both have central nervous systems, so they can be included as " animals " . that's why there are several different things you can use to include something as an animal (ie: nervous system, mouths, locomotion) don't they also take in food through mouths and have stomachs?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 I think fish would be an animal like someone else stated. anything that is living and has eyes and central nervouse system. That moves on its on. That thinks of ways to get food. I see it as I was taught in school animals and plants. Jan - " ~Janice~ " <serenity1 Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:04 PM Re: Sentient Being Material? lol > >Animal > > Is a fish an animal? Some people would say no. I think it is though. > ~Janice~ > Be your own cheerleader! Encourage yourself every step of the way! > > Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. > -Eleanor Roosevelt- > > " Do not blame others for making you mad. Anger is a choice. Choose wisely " > > If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian. > ~Paul McCartney ~ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Where on earth was the moderator?????? Okay, you *had* to say something, you really had to. Wear your burn blisters with pride ;=) Best, Pat > I'll no doubt get flamed for > my response, but I just couldn't see letting that slide. > These ladies are obviously of the ilk that believes fish to be > non-meat items. -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet " - Gandhi * " But for the sake of some little mouthful of flesh, we deprive a soul of the sun and light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the world to enjoy. " - Plutarch ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 The moderator? Oh no, there isn't one and hasn't been for a long time over there at Quick_vegetarian list. That's why it keeps getting hit with spam and non-vegetarian recipe posts etc. Don't even look in their files section unless you have a strong stomach; full of horrid links that aren't worthy of being called porn. *lol* I actually didn't get flamed, last I checked. One lady agreed with me and the two who posted the meat-talk apologised. However, one of them added that she only posted the fish stuff because it was her understanding that SOME vegetarian still ate fish-meat. *sigh* Can you say here we go again? ~ PT ~ We either make ourselves miserable or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same. ~ Carlos Castaneda ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~~~~~~> , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > Where on earth was the moderator?????? Okay, you *had* to say something, > you really had to. Wear your burn blisters with pride ;=) > > Best, > Pat > > > I'll no doubt get flamed for > > my response, but I just couldn't see letting that slide. > > These ladies are obviously of the ilk that believes fish to be > > non-meat items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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