Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 - Vic debateroundtable Cc: ; HCR Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:42 PM Re: Meat eating omnivores First of all, the planet now has about 8 Billion people. We slaughter about 20 billion animals a year in the USA alone. Each animal eats grains and uses water that could be used by people. Animals use anti-biotics that could be used on people. Just do the math, humanity cannot afford to continue eating animals, period. I've raised children as vegetarians and they are very healthy, with no vaccines. I am not a vegan but I believe that is for the future of humanity. You cannot be healthy by eating sick animals. You should avoid causing pain and suffering to animals to avoid pain and suffering to yourself. " The more we are as Angels, the closer we are to heaven " Please visit my evolutionary, pro-peace web site: www.birthofanangel.com you are wrong on several counts here. all apes eat meat if they can get it. we crave it fungi are eaten by us so that shoots down your argument about fungi also fungi mostly eat dead things they dont kill to eat vegans do need supplements of a certain vitamin its one of the b vitamins if I remember correctly but what ever one it is it is missing from a vegan diet ( no eggs or dairy or any products from animals of any kind) if they dont have it they are fine for about four years. then they have depleted their reserves and start to show signs of psychosis if they dont get it they will have full blown psychosis. they may be diagnosed with a mental illness falsely my sister was, for about six years, a vegan and so was her daughter my family researched veganism heavily because we were worried about her child who is very small for her age even now at nine they took the supplements and every now and then my sisters cravings for meat were overwhelming and she cheated my mother used to feed meat to my neice against my sisters wishes ( my mothers understanding of boundaries is very elastic) and she used to wolf it down like another child might do with icecream or chocolates I have been a vegetarian and i loved eating that way... i ate dairy products like yoghurt and cheese and also eggs then though. I think veganism is very unhealthy if the person does not understand what they are doing and many who eat this way do not> I think its completely irresponsible to feed a child this way or a pregnant or lactating mother. stillsong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 That would be B12, right?? I don't quite understand people saying this........isn't spirulina a plant? it's seaweed. it has B12. On 24 Aug 2003 at 21:51, Atmara Nareem wrote: Vic vegans do need supplements of a certain vitamin its one of the b vitamins if I remember correctly but what ever one it is it is missing from a vegan diet == Want to see what I've been reading?? http://pixxart.com/bc http://bookcrossing.com/referral/PHC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 , " Pixx " <lists@p...> wrote: > That would be B12, right?? I don't quite understand people saying > this........isn't spirulina a plant? it's seaweed. it has B12. > > > > On 24 Aug 2003 at 21:51, Atmara Nareem wrote: > Vic > vegans do need supplements of a certain vitamin its one of the > b vitamins if I remember correctly but what ever one it is it is > missing from a vegan diet > > > > == > Want to see what I've been reading?? > http://pixxart.com/bc > http://bookcrossing.com/referral/PHC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 spirulina is an algae, and we think it has b12 in it, but it is expensive. you can also get a vegan b12 that is made in the lab. nevertheless, unfortunately there are defensive meat-eaters who perpetuate this info and insist that eating meat is natural and therefore justified. to which i reply: Rape is a natural way to procreate. , " Pixx " <lists@p...> wrote: > That would be B12, right?? I don't quite understand people saying > this........isn't spirulina a plant? it's seaweed. it has B12. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 dave wrote: spirulina is an algae, and we think it has b12 in it, but it is expensive. ===> expensive?? I buy 'certified organic hawaiian spirulina', 100 tabs, for about 5 bucks! unfortunately ... defensive meat-eaters ... insist that eating meat is natural and therefore justified. to which i reply: Rape is a natural way to procreate. ===> Ouch! What kind of reaction do you typically get to that one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 5 bucks isn't too bad, but i consider any supplement " expensive " in that it's something i have to buy that doesn't help fill my belly. but most multivitamins contain b12 anyhow, so i just get those. well, usually whenever i point out all the horrible things which are " natural " they jump into the " those things are done to humans, they're different " or " you need food to live " rants. I would conclude that arguing with meat-eaters about the ethics (or lack thereof) of meat is a waste of time if not for the fact that i was " converted " by such arguments. But generally if you want to convert a meat-eater you are better off getting them to eat veggie foods, then they may be more receptive to animal rights concepts. > spirulina is an algae, and we think it has b12 in it, > but it is expensive. > > ===> expensive?? I buy 'certified organic hawaiian > spirulina', 100 tabs, for about 5 bucks! > > unfortunately ... defensive meat-eaters ... insist > that eating meat is natural and therefore justified. > to which i reply: Rape is a natural way to > procreate. > > ===> Ouch! What kind of reaction do you typically get > to that one?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 dave wrote: spirulina is an algae, and we think it has b12 in it, but it is expensive. ===> I forgot to add: I don't understand what you mean by " we think it has b12 in it " as my bottle shows that one serving contains 35% of the daily value for B12. == Want to see what I've been reading?? http://pixxart.com/bc http://bookcrossing.com/referral/PHC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 sorry, " we " referred to me and my girlfriend. i said think because i didn't have any spirulina supplements handy. , " Pixx " <lists@p...> wrote > ===> I forgot to add: > I don't understand what you mean by " we think it has b12 in it " as > my bottle shows that one serving contains 35% of the daily value > for B12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 , " Pixx " <lists@p...> wrote: > dave wrote: > spirulina is an algae, and we think it has b12 in it, > but it is expensive. > > ===> I forgot to add: > I don't understand what you mean by " we think it has b12 in it " as > my bottle shows that one serving contains 35% of the daily value > for B12. I've heard some controversy over whether the spirulina actually contains the b12 or whether it comes from a bacteria or something that lives around the spirulina and ends up in the pills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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