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:::coffeemug salute:::

Hope everyone is doing well on this fine morning.

Anyone here from N.Carolina? Been sort of quiet here of

late, so I imagine everyone is rather busy.

Today my son is going on a field trip for school to a local

fish hatchery. Not my cuppa tea, so I didn't go with them

on this one. My daughter has been on this trip before and

told me enough horror stories of what they do to the salmon

to " encourage " more new salmon to be hatched. Let me just

say it ain't pretty. I told my son to put in a PETA plug from

me and maybe ask some of the harder questions, like:

" why do we feel we need to help the salmon? wouldn't they

spawn all on thier own without our help? "

" why do we need a greater hatching of salmon each year? "

" does it have anything to do with the health of the fish, or is

it just for sportfishermen to have more to catch? "

 

~ PT ~

 

We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have

treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that

beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion,

they would depict the Devil in human form.

-William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954)

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Dear PT

 

Will be thinking of your son on his field trip...perhaps the lone voice for

the animals! Hopefully there will be some other support there for him that

will, like you, see the problems behind all of this....rather than just

seeing it as 'the way it is'.

 

Also, wanted to thank you for that terrific quote at end of your

message....how true...

 

Carol

 

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" ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll

 

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:04 AM

Good morning!

 

 

> :::coffeemug salute:::

> Hope everyone is doing well on this fine morning.

> Anyone here from N.Carolina? Been sort of quiet here of

> late, so I imagine everyone is rather busy.

> Today my son is going on a field trip for school to a local

> fish hatchery. Not my cuppa tea, so I didn't go with them

> on this one. My daughter has been on this trip before and

> told me enough horror stories of what they do to the salmon

> to " encourage " more new salmon to be hatched. Let me just

> say it ain't pretty. I told my son to put in a PETA plug from

> me and maybe ask some of the harder questions, like:

> " why do we feel we need to help the salmon? wouldn't they

> spawn all on thier own without our help? "

> " why do we need a greater hatching of salmon each year? "

> " does it have anything to do with the health of the fish, or is

> it just for sportfishermen to have more to catch? "

>

> ~ PT ~

>

> We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have

> treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that

> beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion,

> they would depict the Devil in human form.

> -William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954)

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks Carol. I love that quote, too. The only thing it is

missing in it is a mention for the creatures with scales

and shells. We know they are animals too with feelings

just like ones with fur and feathers. :)

Namaste

 

~ PT ~

 

 

, " Dale and Carol Wade " <

caroldalewade@e...> wrote:

> Dear PT

> Will be thinking of your son on his field trip...

> Also, wanted to thank you for that terrific quote at end of your

> message....how true...

> Carol

>

> -

> " ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll>

> > We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have

> > treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that

> > beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion,

> > they would depict the Devil in human form.

> > -William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954)

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::salutes back::

 

Good luck to your son today, PT. I will never forget the time that I

went an entire week " ignoring " my chemistry teacher after he told

a " joke " about sending a hamster up in space without correct

pressurization. Finally after a week of silence, he held me after

class to ask what " my attitude " was about. I told him flat out -

" You have a responsibility to your students and you completely

misused it. The story about the hamster made the point about equal

pressures, yes, but it also indicated that it's OK to be cruel to

animals. And it's not. " Let me tell you, he never made another

animal joke again! (at least not in front of me...) Sometimes it IS

the children that lead the adults to the truth. Thank you for being

such a strong mother!

 

Blessings,

-K

 

, " ~ P_T ~ "

<patchouli_troll> wrote:

> :::coffeemug salute:::

> Hope everyone is doing well on this fine morning.

> Anyone here from N.Carolina? Been sort of quiet here of

> late, so I imagine everyone is rather busy.

> Today my son is going on a field trip for school to a local

> fish hatchery. Not my cuppa tea, so I didn't go with them

> on this one. My daughter has been on this trip before and

> told me enough horror stories of what they do to the salmon

> to " encourage " more new salmon to be hatched. Let me just

> say it ain't pretty. I told my son to put in a PETA plug from

> me and maybe ask some of the harder questions, like:

> " why do we feel we need to help the salmon? wouldn't they

> spawn all on thier own without our help? "

> " why do we need a greater hatching of salmon each year? "

> " does it have anything to do with the health of the fish, or is

> it just for sportfishermen to have more to catch? "

>

> ~ PT ~

>

> We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have

> treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that

> beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion,

> they would depict the Devil in human form.

> -William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954)

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Bravo to you for having the courage to stand up and

say something to your teacher about his comments. *s*

 

My son was thoroughly grossed out from the trip he

took yesterday. He said it was aweful they way the

would bludgeon the fish, slit them open and squeeze

out their eggs (and from the male fish their sperm)

to increase the amount of salmon that actually get

spawned during the fall run. I don't understand why

they have to manipulate the natural process like they

do and why they can't just let the process happen as

nature intended. I actually asked a guy this once and

he said, " well those fish are just going to die after they

spawn anyway, so what's the big deal? " ACH!

 

I know they are going to die anyway after spawning, but

they die a slow a graceful death as nature intended; they

aren't beaten and tortured to death. I mean we all have

read the article posted here about how science has

recently discovered fish are way more intelligent and

actually have a culture and the ability to express themselves

beyond the instinctual behaviors we used to associate

with them as creatures of lower intelligence. How do we

know that the slow death process they go through after

they spawn isn't in some way a religious or pleasurable

death experience for them to pass through from life?

Anway, that's what I wonder as I think about the ethics

of fish hatcheries...

 

~ PT ~

 

You know, you don't have to look like everybody else to be

acceptable and to feel acceptable.

~ Mister Rogers (1928-2003)

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~>

, " Jigilou Snicklefitz " <

jigilou> wrote:

I will never forget the time that I

> went an entire week " ignoring " my chemistry teacher after he told

> a " joke " about sending a hamster up in space without correct

> pressurization. Finally after a week of silence, he held me after

> class to ask what " my attitude " was about. I told him flat out -

> " You have a responsibility to your students and you completely

> misused it. The story about the hamster made the point about equal

> pressures, yes, but it also indicated that it's OK to be cruel to

> animals. And it's not. " Let me tell you, he never made another

> animal joke again! (at least not in front of me...) Sometimes it

IS

> the children that lead the adults to the truth.

> Blessings,

> -K

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