Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 :::coffeemug salute::: Hope everyone is doing well on this fine morning. Anyone here from N.Carolina? Been sort of quiet here of late, so I imagine everyone is rather busy. Today my son is going on a field trip for school to a local fish hatchery. Not my cuppa tea, so I didn't go with them on this one. My daughter has been on this trip before and told me enough horror stories of what they do to the salmon to " encourage " more new salmon to be hatched. Let me just say it ain't pretty. I told my son to put in a PETA plug from me and maybe ask some of the harder questions, like: " why do we feel we need to help the salmon? wouldn't they spawn all on thier own without our help? " " why do we need a greater hatching of salmon each year? " " does it have anything to do with the health of the fish, or is it just for sportfishermen to have more to catch? " ~ PT ~ We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form. -William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Dear PT Will be thinking of your son on his field trip...perhaps the lone voice for the animals! Hopefully there will be some other support there for him that will, like you, see the problems behind all of this....rather than just seeing it as 'the way it is'. Also, wanted to thank you for that terrific quote at end of your message....how true... Carol - " ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:04 AM Good morning! > :::coffeemug salute::: > Hope everyone is doing well on this fine morning. > Anyone here from N.Carolina? Been sort of quiet here of > late, so I imagine everyone is rather busy. > Today my son is going on a field trip for school to a local > fish hatchery. Not my cuppa tea, so I didn't go with them > on this one. My daughter has been on this trip before and > told me enough horror stories of what they do to the salmon > to " encourage " more new salmon to be hatched. Let me just > say it ain't pretty. I told my son to put in a PETA plug from > me and maybe ask some of the harder questions, like: > " why do we feel we need to help the salmon? wouldn't they > spawn all on thier own without our help? " > " why do we need a greater hatching of salmon each year? " > " does it have anything to do with the health of the fish, or is > it just for sportfishermen to have more to catch? " > > ~ PT ~ > > We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have > treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that > beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, > they would depict the Devil in human form. > -William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Thanks Carol. I love that quote, too. The only thing it is missing in it is a mention for the creatures with scales and shells. We know they are animals too with feelings just like ones with fur and feathers. Namaste ~ PT ~ , " Dale and Carol Wade " < caroldalewade@e...> wrote: > Dear PT > Will be thinking of your son on his field trip... > Also, wanted to thank you for that terrific quote at end of your > message....how true... > Carol > > - > " ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll> > > We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have > > treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that > > beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, > > they would depict the Devil in human form. > > -William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 ::salutes back:: Good luck to your son today, PT. I will never forget the time that I went an entire week " ignoring " my chemistry teacher after he told a " joke " about sending a hamster up in space without correct pressurization. Finally after a week of silence, he held me after class to ask what " my attitude " was about. I told him flat out - " You have a responsibility to your students and you completely misused it. The story about the hamster made the point about equal pressures, yes, but it also indicated that it's OK to be cruel to animals. And it's not. " Let me tell you, he never made another animal joke again! (at least not in front of me...) Sometimes it IS the children that lead the adults to the truth. Thank you for being such a strong mother! Blessings, -K , " ~ P_T ~ " <patchouli_troll> wrote: > :::coffeemug salute::: > Hope everyone is doing well on this fine morning. > Anyone here from N.Carolina? Been sort of quiet here of > late, so I imagine everyone is rather busy. > Today my son is going on a field trip for school to a local > fish hatchery. Not my cuppa tea, so I didn't go with them > on this one. My daughter has been on this trip before and > told me enough horror stories of what they do to the salmon > to " encourage " more new salmon to be hatched. Let me just > say it ain't pretty. I told my son to put in a PETA plug from > me and maybe ask some of the harder questions, like: > " why do we feel we need to help the salmon? wouldn't they > spawn all on thier own without our help? " > " why do we need a greater hatching of salmon each year? " > " does it have anything to do with the health of the fish, or is > it just for sportfishermen to have more to catch? " > > ~ PT ~ > > We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have > treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that > beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, > they would depict the Devil in human form. > -William R. Inge, clergyman, scholar, and author (1860-1954) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 Bravo to you for having the courage to stand up and say something to your teacher about his comments. *s* My son was thoroughly grossed out from the trip he took yesterday. He said it was aweful they way the would bludgeon the fish, slit them open and squeeze out their eggs (and from the male fish their sperm) to increase the amount of salmon that actually get spawned during the fall run. I don't understand why they have to manipulate the natural process like they do and why they can't just let the process happen as nature intended. I actually asked a guy this once and he said, " well those fish are just going to die after they spawn anyway, so what's the big deal? " ACH! I know they are going to die anyway after spawning, but they die a slow a graceful death as nature intended; they aren't beaten and tortured to death. I mean we all have read the article posted here about how science has recently discovered fish are way more intelligent and actually have a culture and the ability to express themselves beyond the instinctual behaviors we used to associate with them as creatures of lower intelligence. How do we know that the slow death process they go through after they spawn isn't in some way a religious or pleasurable death experience for them to pass through from life? Anway, that's what I wonder as I think about the ethics of fish hatcheries... ~ PT ~ You know, you don't have to look like everybody else to be acceptable and to feel acceptable. ~ Mister Rogers (1928-2003) ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~> , " Jigilou Snicklefitz " < jigilou> wrote: I will never forget the time that I > went an entire week " ignoring " my chemistry teacher after he told > a " joke " about sending a hamster up in space without correct > pressurization. Finally after a week of silence, he held me after > class to ask what " my attitude " was about. I told him flat out - > " You have a responsibility to your students and you completely > misused it. The story about the hamster made the point about equal > pressures, yes, but it also indicated that it's OK to be cruel to > animals. And it's not. " Let me tell you, he never made another > animal joke again! (at least not in front of me...) Sometimes it IS > the children that lead the adults to the truth. > Blessings, > -K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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