Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 first off.... your source is an american source, which is completely biased by an industry that dominates the food and health services sector in its efforts to sell people its product. i have been a vegetarian for years and i have seen nutritionists on multiple occasions and even the nutritionists i have seen that are not vegetarians have completely agreed that if you plan your diet properly and eat well, you can get all you need from a vegetarian diet. the only vitamin you are in threat of running low on is B12 and if you take multivitamins or take in sea kelp you have no worry of becoming deficient. in fact, the average person has a 5 year supply of B12 and you have little reason to worry about running out of it... kelp, eggs and fish are quick sources of it. just because you see reports in american news media about nutrition, doesnt mean you should even listen to them.. americans on average, are 60% of the population obese, standard meat eaters, have a lower education level than the top 14 countries in the world and generally have less factual nutrition knowledge than most of the educated world. in fact, the two top statistical brackets of nutritional knowledge in america are the elderly and vegetarians, and thats a CNN fact.. and CNN is the standard propaganda tool of the dumbass regime. if you want facts, dont look to american media. anyone who wants to challenge this, wave all the dumbass flags you want, but the truth is, the rest of the world laughs at you. --- galamt <mtgala wrote: > http://story.news./news? > tmpl=story & u=/nm/20020618/hl_nm/vitamin_adults_1 & printer=1 > > Adults Urged to Take Daily Multivitamin > Tue Jun 18, 5:34 PM ET > By Alison McCook > > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The elderly and those > who follow > restrictive diets face the risk of vitamin > deficiency, but even > people who eat a normal diet may not be getting > enough of certain > vitamins, according to researchers. > > > Because low vitamin intake has been linked to a host > of illnesses, > Drs. Kathleen M. Fairfield and Robert H. Fletcher of > Harvard Medical > School ( news - web sites) in Boston, Massachusetts, > recommend that > everybody--regardless of age or health status--take > a daily > multivitamin. > > It's rare to find a health-promoter that offers such > a substantial > benefit with a relatively low cost and low risk of > problems, Fletcher > told Reuters Health. " And when you have such a > thing, " he added, " you > ought to jump on it. " > > In two articles in the June 19th issue of The > Journal of the American > Medical Association ( news - web sites), Fletcher > and Fairfield > review studies published between 1966 and 2002 that > investigated the > links between vitamin intake and diseases such as > cancer and coronary > heart disease. > > For example, studies have shown that taking the B > vitamin folic acid > early in pregnancy can help prevent certain birth > defects, while > others have suggested the vitamin might cut the risk > of certain > cancers and heart disease. > > Other vitamins, such as vitamin E, have been found > to reduce cancer > risk when consumed at recommended levels, and > vitamin D plus calcium > supplements have been shown to decrease the risks of > bone loss and > fracture in the elderly. > > In an interview with Reuters Health, Fletcher > explained that certain > people are at higher risk of vitamin deficiency, > particularly the > elderly, and those who follow restrictive diets, > such as vegans, who > avoid all animal products. Although many vegans eat > a lot of fruits > and vegetables, they may not be getting enough of > certain fat-soluble > vitamins such as vitamin D and vitamin B-12, which > are most often > found in animal products, he noted. > > As people age, they also become less able to absorb > some vitamins > from their diets, and research has suggested that > people who drink > alcohol may need extra folic acid. > > However, Fletcher pointed out that most > Americans--except those who > follow what he described as a " super-perfect " > diet--likely do not get > enough of certain vitamins in their diets and would > benefit from > multivitamins, as well. > > Indeed, a recent survey showed that only 20% to 30% > of Americans > consume at least five servings of fruits and > vegetables per day, the > recommended amount. > > In addition, Fletcher said, some physicians may not > understand the > importance of vitamin deficiency and may fail to > recommend > multivitamins. > > The evidence promoting the benefits of various > vitamins is relatively > new, Fletcher explained, so doctors may not yet be > aware of it. > Furthermore, vitamins are considered to be somewhat > of an alternative > therapy and some doctors have " this prejudice > against anything that's > not very orthodox, " the researcher stated. > > Fletcher added that people should opt for the > low-cost, and often > generic brands of multivitamins offered at > pharmacies, as opposed > to " special-purpose " vitamins found at health-food > stores, which > usually cost much more, and can actually contain > doses of certain > vitamins that are too high. > > Fletcher and Fairfield point out that excessive > vitamin doses can > have adverse effects--including > higher-than-recommended vitamin A > intake during pregnancy, which is linked to certain > fetal anomalies. > > SOURCE: The Journal of the American Medical > Association 2002;287:3116- > > > > > --- galamt <mtgala wrote: > http://story.news./news? > tmpl=story & u=/nm/20020618/hl_nm/vitamin_adults_1 & printer=1 > > Adults Urged to Take Daily Multivitamin > Tue Jun 18, 5:34 PM ET > By Alison McCook > > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The elderly and those > who follow > restrictive diets face the risk of vitamin > deficiency, but even > people who eat a normal diet may not be getting > enough of certain > vitamins, according to researchers. > > > Because low vitamin intake has been linked to a host > of illnesses, > Drs. Kathleen M. Fairfield and Robert H. Fletcher of > Harvard Medical > School ( news - web sites) in Boston, Massachusetts, > recommend that > everybody--regardless of age or health status--take > a daily > multivitamin. > > It's rare to find a health-promoter that offers such > a substantial > benefit with a relatively low cost and low risk of > problems, Fletcher > told Reuters Health. " And when you have such a > thing, " he added, " you > ought to jump on it. " > > In two articles in the June 19th issue of The > Journal of the American > Medical Association ( news - web sites), Fletcher > and Fairfield > review studies published between 1966 and 2002 that > investigated the > links between vitamin intake and diseases such as > cancer and coronary > heart disease. > > For example, studies have shown that taking the B > vitamin folic acid > early in pregnancy can help prevent certain birth > defects, while > others have suggested the vitamin might cut the risk > of certain > cancers and heart disease. > > Other vitamins, such as vitamin E, have been found > to reduce cancer > risk when consumed at recommended levels, and > vitamin D plus calcium > supplements have been shown to decrease the risks of > bone loss and > fracture in the elderly. > > In an interview with Reuters Health, Fletcher > explained that certain > people are at higher risk of vitamin deficiency, > particularly the > elderly, and those who follow restrictive diets, > such as vegans, who > avoid all animal products. Although many vegans eat > a lot of fruits > and vegetables, they may not be getting enough of > certain fat-soluble > vitamins such as vitamin D and vitamin B-12, which > are most often > found in animal products, he noted. > > As people age, they also become less able to absorb > some vitamins > from their diets, and research has suggested that > people who drink > alcohol may need extra folic acid. > > However, Fletcher pointed out that most > Americans--except those who > follow what he described as a " super-perfect " > diet--likely do not get > enough of certain vitamins in their diets and would > benefit from > multivitamins, as well. > > Indeed, a recent survey showed that only 20% to 30% > of Americans > consume at least five servings of fruits and > vegetables per day, the > recommended amount. > > In addition, Fletcher said, some physicians may not > understand the > importance of vitamin deficiency and may fail to > recommend > multivitamins. > > The evidence promoting the benefits of various > vitamins is relatively > new, Fletcher explained, so doctors may not yet be > aware of it. > Furthermore, vitamins are considered to be somewhat > of an alternative > therapy and some doctors have " this prejudice > against anything that's > not very orthodox, " the researcher stated. > > Fletcher added that people should opt for the > low-cost, and often > generic brands of multivitamins offered at > pharmacies, as opposed > to " special-purpose " vitamins found at health-food > stores, which > usually cost much more, and can actually contain > doses of certain > vitamins that are too high. > > Fletcher and Fairfield point out that excessive > vitamin doses can > have adverse effects--including > higher-than-recommended vitamin A > intake during pregnancy, which is linked to certain > fetal anomalies. > > SOURCE: The Journal of the American Medical > Association 2002;287:3116- > > > > > - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup. 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Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 Keith So you don't agree with the article? Max , keith graves <sleepingtao> wrote: > first off.... > > your source is an american source, which is completely > biased by an industry that dominates the food and > health services sector in its efforts to sell people > its product. > > i have been a vegetarian for years and i have seen > nutritionists on multiple occasions and even the > nutritionists i have seen that are not vegetarians > have completely agreed that if you plan your diet > properly and eat well, you can get all you need from > a vegetarian diet. the only vitamin you are in threat > of running low on is B12 and if you take multivitamins > or take in sea kelp you have no worry of becoming > deficient. in fact, the average person has a 5 year > supply of B12 and you have little reason to worry > about running out of it... kelp, eggs and fish are > quick sources of it. > > just because you see reports in american news media > about nutrition, doesnt mean you should even listen to > them.. americans on average, are 60% of the population > obese, standard meat eaters, have a lower education > level than the top 14 countries in the world and > generally have less factual nutrition knowledge than > most of the educated world. in fact, the two top > statistical brackets of nutritional knowledge in > america are the elderly and vegetarians, and thats a > CNN fact.. and CNN is the standard propaganda tool of > the dumbass regime. > > if you want facts, dont look to american media. anyone > who wants to challenge this, wave all the dumbass > flags you want, but the truth is, the rest of the > world laughs at you. > > --- galamt <mtgala@h...> wrote: > > http://story.news./news? > > > tmpl=story & u=/nm/20020618/hl_nm/vitamin_adults_1 & printer=1 > > > > Adults Urged to Take Daily Multivitamin > > Tue Jun 18, 5:34 PM ET > > By Alison McCook > > > > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The elderly and those > > who follow > > restrictive diets face the risk of vitamin > > deficiency, but even > > people who eat a normal diet may not be getting > > enough of certain > > vitamins, according to researchers. > > > > > > Because low vitamin intake has been linked to a host > > of illnesses, > > Drs. Kathleen M. Fairfield and Robert H. Fletcher of > > Harvard Medical > > School ( news - web sites) in Boston, Massachusetts, > > recommend that > > everybody--regardless of age or health status--take > > a daily > > multivitamin. > > > > It's rare to find a health-promoter that offers such > > a substantial > > benefit with a relatively low cost and low risk of > > problems, Fletcher > > told Reuters Health. " And when you have such a > > thing, " he added, " you > > ought to jump on it. " > > > > In two articles in the June 19th issue of The > > Journal of the American > > Medical Association ( news - web sites), Fletcher > > and Fairfield > > review studies published between 1966 and 2002 that > > investigated the > > links between vitamin intake and diseases such as > > cancer and coronary > > heart disease. > > > > For example, studies have shown that taking the B > > vitamin folic acid > > early in pregnancy can help prevent certain birth > > defects, while > > others have suggested the vitamin might cut the risk > > of certain > > cancers and heart disease. > > > > Other vitamins, such as vitamin E, have been found > > to reduce cancer > > risk when consumed at recommended levels, and > > vitamin D plus calcium > > supplements have been shown to decrease the risks of > > bone loss and > > fracture in the elderly. > > > > In an interview with Reuters Health, Fletcher > > explained that certain > > people are at higher risk of vitamin deficiency, > > particularly the > > elderly, and those who follow restrictive diets, > > such as vegans, who > > avoid all animal products. Although many vegans eat > > a lot of fruits > > and vegetables, they may not be getting enough of > > certain fat-soluble > > vitamins such as vitamin D and vitamin B-12, which > > are most often > > found in animal products, he noted. > > > > As people age, they also become less able to absorb > > some vitamins > > from their diets, and research has suggested that > > people who drink > > alcohol may need extra folic acid. > > > > However, Fletcher pointed out that most > > Americans--except those who > > follow what he described as a " super-perfect " > > diet--likely do not get > > enough of certain vitamins in their diets and would > > benefit from > > multivitamins, as well. > > > > Indeed, a recent survey showed that only 20% to 30% > > of Americans > > consume at least five servings of fruits and > > vegetables per day, the > > recommended amount. > > > > In addition, Fletcher said, some physicians may not > > understand the > > importance of vitamin deficiency and may fail to > > recommend > > multivitamins. > > > > The evidence promoting the benefits of various > > vitamins is relatively > > new, Fletcher explained, so doctors may not yet be > > aware of it. > > Furthermore, vitamins are considered to be somewhat > > of an alternative > > therapy and some doctors have " this prejudice > > against anything that's > > not very orthodox, " the researcher stated. > > > > Fletcher added that people should opt for the > > low-cost, and often > > generic brands of multivitamins offered at > > pharmacies, as opposed > > to " special-purpose " vitamins found at health-food > > stores, which > > usually cost much more, and can actually contain > > doses of certain > > vitamins that are too high. > > > > Fletcher and Fairfield point out that excessive > > vitamin doses can > > have adverse effects--including > > higher-than-recommended vitamin A > > intake during pregnancy, which is linked to certain > > fetal anomalies. > > > > SOURCE: The Journal of the American Medical > > Association 2002;287:3116- > > > > > > > > > > > > --- galamt <mtgala@h...> wrote: > > http://story.news./news? > > > tmpl=story & u=/nm/20020618/hl_nm/vitamin_adults_1 & printer=1 > > > > Adults Urged to Take Daily Multivitamin > > Tue Jun 18, 5:34 PM ET > > By Alison McCook > > > > NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The elderly and those > > who follow > > restrictive diets face the risk of vitamin > > deficiency, but even > > people who eat a normal diet may not be getting > > enough of certain > > vitamins, according to researchers. > > > > > > Because low vitamin intake has been linked to a host > > of illnesses, > > Drs. Kathleen M. Fairfield and Robert H. Fletcher of > > Harvard Medical > > School ( news - web sites) in Boston, Massachusetts, > > recommend that > > everybody--regardless of age or health status--take > > a daily > > multivitamin. > > > > It's rare to find a health-promoter that offers such > > a substantial > > benefit with a relatively low cost and low risk of > > problems, Fletcher > > told Reuters Health. " And when you have such a > > thing, " he added, " you > > ought to jump on it. " > > > > In two articles in the June 19th issue of The > > Journal of the American > > Medical Association ( news - web sites), Fletcher > > and Fairfield > > review studies published between 1966 and 2002 that > > investigated the > > links between vitamin intake and diseases such as > > cancer and coronary > > heart disease. > > > > For example, studies have shown that taking the B > > vitamin folic acid > > early in pregnancy can help prevent certain birth > > defects, while > > others have suggested the vitamin might cut the risk > > of certain > > cancers and heart disease. > > > > Other vitamins, such as vitamin E, have been found > > to reduce cancer > > risk when consumed at recommended levels, and > > vitamin D plus calcium > > supplements have been shown to decrease the risks of > > bone loss and > > fracture in the elderly. > > > > In an interview with Reuters Health, Fletcher > > explained that certain > > people are at higher risk of vitamin deficiency, > > particularly the > > elderly, and those who follow restrictive diets, > > such as vegans, who > > avoid all animal products. Although many vegans eat > > a lot of fruits > > and vegetables, they may not be getting enough of > > certain fat-soluble > > vitamins such as vitamin D and vitamin B-12, which > > are most often > > found in animal products, he noted. > > > > As people age, they also become less able to absorb > > some vitamins > > from their diets, and research has suggested that > > people who drink > > alcohol may need extra folic acid. > > > > However, Fletcher pointed out that most > > Americans--except those who > > follow what he described as a " super-perfect " > > diet--likely do not get > > enough of certain vitamins in their diets and would > > benefit from > > multivitamins, as well. > > > > Indeed, a recent survey showed that only 20% to 30% > > of Americans > > consume at least five servings of fruits and > > vegetables per day, the > > recommended amount. > > > > In addition, Fletcher said, some physicians may not > > understand the > > importance of vitamin deficiency and may fail to > > recommend > > multivitamins. > > > > The evidence promoting the benefits of various > > vitamins is relatively > > new, Fletcher explained, so doctors may not yet be > > aware of it. > > Furthermore, vitamins are considered to be somewhat > > of an alternative > > therapy and some doctors have " this prejudice > > against anything that's > > not very orthodox, " the researcher stated. > > > > Fletcher added that people should opt for the > > low-cost, and often > > generic brands of multivitamins offered at > > pharmacies, as opposed > > to " special-purpose " vitamins found at health-food > > stores, which > > usually cost much more, and can actually contain > > doses of certain > > vitamins that are too high. > > > > Fletcher and Fairfield point out that excessive > > vitamin doses can > > have adverse effects--including > > higher-than-recommended vitamin A > > intake during pregnancy, which is linked to certain > > fetal anomalies. > > > > SOURCE: The Journal of the American Medical > > Association 2002;287:3116- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup. 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Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 TY Keith for your response to the post of vegans and multivitamins. I am a new vegetarian, and I tell you this, is that the post of the vegans, and multivitamins almost had me panic, thinking that I was not getting the vitamens that I needed, however after reading your post, I now know that I do not have to worry about me, or my hubby lacking in vitamens. C.K. Brightest Blessings and Love..... In order to truly be happy one must be who they are, not who they think they should be. C.K. )O( Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2002 Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 I have to agree w/ Keith entirely. Although I'm American myself, I am still disappointed that news has become a media propaganda tool to advertise and sway the public. Look who owns America's outlets for information! There are many examples of misleading and intentional (dis)information but this is completely off subject and I will gladly discuss this privately via email if anyone so wishes to do so. Now then, here's a jiffy little recipe for people that like Chili... 1 can of black beans 1 can of red chili beans 1 tomato 1 sm.-med. onion garlic (depending on your fondness, since I really like my garlic, i usually put in about 7-10 cloves) 1 small anneheim 1 small jalepeno this won't make a woppin' potful to feed an army, but it should suffice for a 1 or 2 people, depending how much you eat. It's pretty simple, put canned stuff in pot, chop up other stuff and put in pot, heat until hot. eat. Throw in some good ol' corn bread or corn chips, a nice cold beverage and don't forget the tabasco for added heat if you're into that kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 , " c k " <tarrot_spirrit@h...> wrote: > While I agree with most of what keith says, I urge you to study up on Vegetarian Nutrition. There are many great sources for that information. As a woman, you have a few different nutritional needs than men and these are easily met by a veg diet.As a Vegan,B12 is indeed the only thing you need to concern yourself with. If you do still eat dairy you get plenty of it. If not, don't rely on info that the body stores it for 5 years. that is very much individual, depending on the needs and condition of your body. As I suggest, just do some reading and research. It's fun and ya learn alot in the process. Hope this helps. Signed Yeyetwas, A Fat, Stupid, Uneducated, American( and I use American loosely) Indian Laughing Stock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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