Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Hey guys. I was just at a scientific meeting (yes, I'm a scientist) this last week and one of our speakers was an environmental scientist from U. Wisconsin, Madison named Nancy... She presented a paper that will be a chapter on an upcoming book on Women and Environmental History... dealing with endocrine disrupters and estrogens in the environment. I unfortunately have the reference at work, so will send it to the list tomorrow, but her talk really upset a bunch of veggie scientists. The basic tennant was that foreign estrogens, found in water (the feminized fish that can often befound below the waste treatment plants) and that come out of plastic and yes, in food sources like cows milk and soy... can cause big impacts on people, especially the unborn, the developing children, including teens, and adult women. This lady did not do any research on her own, but compiled a very compelling paper... She used to be strict veggie and now eats grass fed meat occasionally and limits her soy intake. When we asked her about soy, she said that while not conclusive, she would limit intake of soy products (excluding miso and tempeh as they are processed differently and so don't have high levels of phytoestrogens) to once or twice a week. I am in no way saying that all soy is bad but I can tell you that it surprised the hell out of me and everyone else in the room. I myself am removing all plastic cups from my house, already got rid of the plastic pet food bowels, and am buying whole grain milk instead of my beloved silk. I am writing you all merely to warn you that there might be reasonable room for concern... but I wouldn't go and stop eating all soy. Just a thought and I'll send the reference out tomorrow. Unfortunatly, the book doesn't come out until 2003 from the University of Kansas Press... Tell me what you think, it should provide interesting conversation for the list at the very least. GenieI would rather regret that which I have experienced than wish I had experienced that which is past. Health - Feel better, live better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 the book doesn't come out until 2003, but this is the '00's. There has to be evidence out there supporting your claims. Please provide more details for the other loyal follower's of reason. Until then the soy remains where it is. --jon genie bottle [geniesflower]Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: soy caution Hey guys. I was just at a scientific meeting (yes, I'm a scientist) this last week and one of our speakers was an environmental scientist from U. Wisconsin, Madison named Nancy... She presented a paper that will be a chapter on an upcoming book on Women and Environmental History... dealing with endocrine disrupters and estrogens in the environment. I unfortunately have the reference at work, so will send it to the list tomorrow, but her talk really upset a bunch of veggie scientists. The basic tennant was that foreign estrogens, found in water (the feminized fish that can often befound below the waste treatment plants) and that come out of plastic and yes, in food sources like cows milk and soy... can cause big impacts on people, especially the unborn, the developing children, including teens, and adult women. This lady did not do any research on her own, but compiled a very compelling paper... She used to be strict veggie and now eats grass fed meat occasionally and limits her soy intake. When we asked her about soy, she said that while not conclusive, she would limit intake of soy products (excluding miso and tempeh as they are processed differently and so don't have high levels of phytoestrogens) to once or twice a week. I am in no way saying that all soy is bad but I can tell you that it surprised the hell out of me and everyone else in the room. I myself am removing all plastic cups from my house, already got rid of the plastic pet food bowels, and am buying whole grain milk instead of my beloved silk. I am writing you all merely to warn you that there might be reasonable room for concern... but I wouldn't go and stop eating all soy. Just a thought and I'll send the reference out tomorrow. Unfortunatly, the book doesn't come out until 2003 from the University of Kansas Press... Tell me what you think, it should provide interesting conversation for the list at the very least. GenieI would rather regret that which I have experienced than wish I had experienced that which is past. Health - Feel better, live better contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 Hi, I am not clear as to what the problem actually is. Is she saying that soy breaks down into something dangerous or that something in the processing creates a dangerous substance or what? When I lived in South Dakota they grew lots of soy (for feed and fuel), and there were no waste treatment plants anywhere about (ok so that isn't what you were saying but it does show my level of confusion :-) ) Thanks, Max PS and what about plastic cups? , genie bottle <geniesflower> wrote: > The basic tennant was that foreign estrogens, found in water (the feminized fish that can often befound below the waste treatment plants) and that come out of plastic and yes, in food sources like cows milk and soy... can cause big impacts on people, especially the unborn, the developing children, including teens, and adult women. > Genie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 I also have heard of problems from plant based estrogens in women who have a family history of estrogen type cancers in their families. So it makes sense to me. I heard of this problem in a discussion with a couple of gynecologists who were asking the government to put controls on products containing ginseng, which they conveyed is as close to the type of estrogen women produce, that ginseng should be removed from the over the counter market trade. Concerning plant based estrogens, unless you are positive that the food you are consuming has not been exposed to pesticides it would be wise to limit the amount of plant based estrogens you consume as a female. Pesticides bind to estrogen in the female body and have a cumliative effect, they stay in the body, mainly in breast and uterine tissues. That is how it was explained to me by a cancer specialist when my aunt died from an estrogen type cancer. I wouldnt go overboard on avoiding foods, but would do all things in moderation. Unless you have a good reason to believe you are incurring a sizable risk. I dont have a clue about plastic cups? But they smell yucky... , genie bottle <geniesflower> wrote: > > Hey guys. I was just at a scientific meeting (yes, I'm a scientist) this last week and one of our speakers was an environmental scientist from U. Wisconsin, Madison named Nancy... She presented a paper that will be a chapter on an upcoming book on Women and Environmental History... dealing with endocrine disrupters and estrogens in the environment. I unfortunately have the reference at work, so will send it to the list tomorrow, but her talk really upset a bunch of veggie scientists. > The basic tennant was that foreign estrogens, found in water (the feminized fish that can often befound below the waste treatment plants) and that come out of plastic and yes, in food sources like cows milk and soy... can cause big impacts on people, especially the unborn, the developing children, including teens, and adult women. > This lady did not do any research on her own, but compiled a very compelling paper... She used to be strict veggie and now eats grass fed meat occasionally and limits her soy intake. When we asked her about soy, she said that while not conclusive, she would limit intake of soy products (excluding miso and tempeh as they are processed differently and so don't have high levels of phytoestrogens) to once or twice a week. > I am in no way saying that all soy is bad but I can tell you that it surprised the hell out of me and everyone else in the room. I myself am removing all plastic cups from my house, already got rid of the plastic pet food bowels, and am buying whole grain milk instead of my beloved silk. I am writing you all merely to warn you that there might be reasonable room for concern... but I wouldn't go and stop eating all soy. > Just a thought and I'll send the reference out tomorrow. Unfortunatly, the book doesn't come out until 2003 from the University of Kansas Press... > Tell me what you think, it should provide interesting conversation for the list at the very least. > Genie > > > I would rather regret that which I have experienced than wish I had experienced that which is past. > > > > > Health - Feel better, live better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2002 Report Share Posted July 30, 2002 I read several pages of a document that basically claims that unfermented soy is poison... thought it was just a tad overstated but like anything, it's good to balance bean products with lot of grains. I have been drinking rice milk for years and love it. (especially w/vanilla). There are many choices in the world of health foods. I think that aduki and lentils are better than soy but still use soy in small amounts - keep miso around and occassionally tempeh. I still enjoy tofu scramble but buy mock meats with wheat gluten. These same people have no problem w/flesh and dairy. " Everybody needs milk " is propaganda and far from reality. I added cheese to my diet after years without it and it started messing with my body.. now I am using flax and diacon radish to clean up the residue. Of course, dietary needs differ between people but I don't think much of the commercial dairy industry or the environmental impact of cattle. We are also being subjected to tainted foods. I use glass instead of plastics but having worked in that industry, I know that various plastics have different properties - though the companies that promote it generally don't investigate the social problems. It is not exactly a " clean " industry... David * " Jon Stockdill " <jstockdill@s...> wrote: > the book doesn't come out until 2003, but this is the '00's. There has to > be evidence out there supporting your claims. Please provide more details > for the other loyal follower's of reason. Until then the soy remains where > it is. > > --jon > soy caution > > > Hey guys. I was just at a scientific meeting (yes, I'm a scientist) this > last week and one of our speakers was an environmental scientist from U. > Wisconsin, Madison named Nancy... She presented a paper that will be a > chapter on an upcoming book on Women and Environmental History... dealing > with endocrine disrupters and estrogens in the environment. I unfortunately > have the reference at work, so will send it to the list tomorrow, but her > talk really upset a bunch of veggie scientists. > > The basic tennant was that foreign estrogens, found in water (the feminized > fish that can often befound below the waste treatment plants) and that come > out of plastic and yes, in food sources like cows milk and soy... can cause > big impacts on people, especially the unborn, the developing children, > including teens, and adult women. > > This lady did not do any research on her own, but compiled a very > compelling paper... She used to be strict veggie and now eats grass fed meat > occasionally and limits her soy intake. When we asked her about soy, she > said that while not conclusive, she would limit intake of soy products > (excluding miso and tempeh as they are processed differently and so don't > have high levels of phytoestrogens) to once or twice a week. > > I am in no way saying that all soy is bad but I can tell you that it > surprised the hell out of me and everyone else in the room. I myself am > removing all plastic cups from my house, already got rid of the plastic pet > food bowels, and am buying whole grain milk instead of my beloved silk. I > am writing you all merely to warn you that there might be reasonable room > for concern... but I wouldn't go and stop eating all soy. > > Just a thought and I'll send the reference out tomorrow. Unfortunatly, the > book doesn't come out until 2003 from the University of Kansas Press... > > Tell me what you think, it should provide interesting conversation for the > list at the very least. > > Genie .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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