Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 In a message dated 07/31/2002 9:03:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pat writes: I have many more reservations about highly processed foods or our antibiotic- and bacteria-laden meat. I think your whole statement is pretty accurate. I personally think that it is the growing methods and the processing methods that are tainting the soy. I think anything in excess may have adverse effects. I use a energizing soy protein powder that is tested for pesticide and herbicide residue along with nutrient value and then is water processed and not alcohol processed as most of the producers use. I feel comfortable with this amount caution taken to ensure quality. It's my personal opinion that almost everything grown from the Earth for the purpose of consumption is good for you and it's not until man stepped in with his abuse of the land and the crops that we started having problems with food sources. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 On 31 Jul 2002 09:31:20 -0000, you wrote: >I read several pages of a document that basically claims that >unfermented soy is poison... thought it was just a tad overstated but >like anything, it's good to balance bean products with lot of grains. >I have been drinking rice milk for years and love it. (especially >w/vanilla). There are many choices in the world of health foods. I >think that aduki and lentils are better than soy but still use soy in >small amounts - keep miso around and occassionally tempeh. I still >enjoy tofu scramble but buy mock meats with wheat gluten. There has been a giant experiment containing millions and millions of people who have regularly eaten soy products (tofu for the most part, but also other soy products) as a major component of their diet for hundreds and hundreds of years, probably even thousands of year. They are and have been in good general health for the most part, in fact I understand (although I do not have references to hand) that their breast cancer rate is much lower than that of American women. I'm sure I've read that their heart attack rate is lower too. Most medical studies in this country deal with people numbering in the tens, a few in the hundreds and a very very few in the thousands. The time scale is generally a few months or a few years at most. Every now and then one hears of a medical study that lasted for decades, but this is unusual. But here we have a giant experiment of millions and millions of people that's lasted for hundreds and hundreds of years. Indeed, there are now over *one billion* people in this experiment. The name of this experiment: China. There's another one called: Japan. There are various other smaller experiments throughout southeast Asia too. I think one needs some perspective about these things. I myself don't have any reservations about eating traditional foods that have been used by millions or billions of healthy people for hundreds or thousands of years. I have many more reservations about highly processed foods or our antibiotic- and bacteria-laden meat. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 You misunderstood what I was saying, I am not saying for anyone to stop consuming soy . Moderation is not a bad thing in anything. As for the breast cancer question, there is a big difference in lifestyle between Asian, Middle Eastern and American cultures. You can not compare apples and oranges! It is common to breast feed in Asia and India, which is not very popular in the US. If a woman breast feeds for a total of 36 months of her life it greatly reduces her risk of breast cancer. Asians also practice a lifetime of exercise from the time they are children. There's alot to be said for ancient cultures and their practices. It never hurts to stay informed on health issues , especially if you have a family history. , Pat Meadows <pat@m...> wrote: > On 31 Jul 2002 09:31:20 -0000, you wrote: > > >I read several pages of a document that basically claims that > >unfermented soy is poison... thought it was just a tad overstated but > >like anything, it's good to balance bean products with lot of grains. > >I have been drinking rice milk for years and love it. (especially > >w/vanilla). There are many choices in the world of health foods. I > >think that aduki and lentils are better than soy but still use soy in > >small amounts - keep miso around and occassionally tempeh. I still > >enjoy tofu scramble but buy mock meats with wheat gluten. > > There has been a giant experiment containing millions and > millions of people who have regularly eaten soy products > (tofu for the most part, but also other soy products) as a > major component of their diet for hundreds and hundreds of > years, probably even thousands of year. > > They are and have been in good general health for the most > part, in fact I understand (although I do not have > references to hand) that their breast cancer rate is much > lower than that of American women. I'm sure I've read that > their heart attack rate is lower too. > > Most medical studies in this country deal with people > numbering in the tens, a few in the hundreds and a very very > few in the thousands. The time scale is generally a few > months or a few years at most. Every now and then one hears > of a medical study that lasted for decades, but this is > unusual. > > But here we have a giant experiment of millions and millions > of people that's lasted for hundreds and hundreds of years. > Indeed, there are now over *one billion* people in this > experiment. The name of this experiment: China. There's > another one called: Japan. There are various other smaller > experiments throughout southeast Asia too. > > I think one needs some perspective about these things. > > I myself don't have any reservations about eating > traditional foods that have been used by millions or > billions of healthy people for hundreds or thousands of > years. I have many more reservations about highly processed > foods or our antibiotic- and bacteria-laden meat. > > Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 It is common to breast feed in Asia and India, which is not very It may be common to breast feed in the rural villages in India, but the Indians in this country quite often bottle feed. Anne Health - Feel better, live better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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