Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Hello all, This an important information. I am organizing a nude vegetarian march in France whose the goal will be to bring awareness of the vegetarian culture, and to protest against the prejudices by the more natural, audacious, non-violent and symbolic way : the nudity. There are many reasons I can't explain.. Just take a look at the website : http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ then tell me what you think by contacting me on my private email (cause I can't really check on every list the reactions). healliam1 I would like to debate of it but I need first to find collaborators in all the countries. This manifestation could have great impact so don't forget it. Sincerily, elie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Hello Why did I get no reactions ? Nobody is interested by the idea ? Is it too far away ? Bye. , " healliam <healliam1@a...> " <healliam1@a...> wrote: > Hello all, > > This an important information. > > I am organizing a nude vegetarian march in France whose the goal will > be to bring awareness of the vegetarian culture, and to protest > against the prejudices by the more natural, audacious, non-violent > and symbolic way : the nudity. > > There are many reasons I can't explain.. > > Just take a look at the website : > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > then tell me what you think by contacting me on my private email > (cause I can't really check on every list the reactions). > healliam1@a... > > I would like to debate of it but I need first to find collaborators > in all the countries. > > This manifestation could have great impact so don't forget it. > > Sincerily, elie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Yes, France is a long way away. Warmly, Allison in Texas, USA --- " healliam <healliam1 " <healliam1 wrote: > Hello > > Why did I get no reactions ? Nobody is interested by > the idea ? Is it > too far away ? > > Bye. > > , " healliam > <healliam1@a...> " > <healliam1@a...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > This an important information. > > > > I am organizing a nude vegetarian march in France > whose the goal > will > > be to bring awareness of the vegetarian culture, > and to protest > > against the prejudices by the more natural, > audacious, non-violent > > and symbolic way : the nudity. > > > > There are many reasons I can't explain.. > > > > Just take a look at the website : > > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > > > then tell me what you think by contacting me on my > private email > > (cause I can't really check on every list the > reactions). > > healliam1@a... > > > > I would like to debate of it but I need first to > find collaborators > > in all the countries. > > > > This manifestation could have great impact so > don't forget it. > > > > Sincerily, elie. > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 --- Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote: > Yes, France is a long way away. > > Warmly, > Allison in Texas, USA > > --- " healliam <healliam1 " > <healliam1 > wrote: > > Hello > > > > Why did I get no reactions ? Nobody is interested > by > > the idea ? Is it > > too far away ? > > > > Bye. > > > > , " healliam > > <healliam1@a...> " > > <healliam1@a...> wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > This an important information. > > > > > > I am organizing a nude vegetarian march in > France > > whose the goal > > will > > > be to bring awareness of the vegetarian culture, > > and to protest > > > against the prejudices by the more natural, > > audacious, non-violent > > > and symbolic way : the nudity. > > > > > > There are many reasons I can't explain.. > > > > > > Just take a look at the website : > > > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > > > > > then tell me what you think by contacting me on > my > > private email > > > (cause I can't really check on every list the > > reactions). > > > healliam1@a... > > > > > > I would like to debate of it but I need first to > > find collaborators > > > in all the countries. > > > > > > This manifestation could have great impact so > > don't forget it. > > > > > > Sincerily, elie. > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus. > Walking naked? I don,t think so!! I am not showing my body to every dick ,tom and harry. I,ll promote animal rights in a more modest way.Thanks anyway Janice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 My ex-husband lives at a nudist colony but they are all ravinous carnivores. Max , " healliam <healliam1@a...> " <healliam1@a...> wrote: > Hello > > Why did I get no reactions ? Nobody is interested by the idea ? Is it > too far away ? > > Bye. > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 Okay, I know France is really away from Texas, but you could perhaps motivate your friend and organizate a same demonstration the same day at the same hour so the impact will be worldwide and our coordination will astonish ! Elie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2003 Report Share Posted January 25, 2003 We already did something like that...Though it wasn't for vegetarianism. During our 'Mardi Gras' in Austin, the police wanted to arrest all the women that were going to show their breasts. They wanted it to be a clean event. Well, almost every woman that went simultaneously showed their breasts as soon as the clock struck 7:00 (I believe that was the time). Anyway, it was a planned event and the radios and newstations were advertising it. Everyone made sure to pay attention to the 'city of titty.' It was more of a feminist statement, but a statement nonetheless. Warmly, Allison --- " healliam <healliam1 " <healliam1 wrote: > Okay, I know France is really away from Texas, but > you could perhaps > motivate your friend and organizate a same > demonstration the same day > at the same hour so the impact will be worldwide and > our coordination > will astonish ! > > Elie. > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2003 Report Share Posted January 27, 2003 And you gave out about PETA and naked women! And how children should not see that!!! I think a NUDE march in public is a bit much for children. At least the internet you choose what to see, whereas in public you don't. Besides people are gone off the point!!! Where's the veggie recipes Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote: We already did something like that...Though it wasn'tfor vegetarianism. During our 'Mardi Gras' in Austin,the police wanted to arrest all the women that weregoing to show their breasts. They wanted it to be aclean event. Well, almost every woman that wentsimultaneously showed their breasts as soon as theclock struck 7:00 (I believe that was the time). Anyway, it was a planned event and the radios andnewstations were advertising it. Everyone made sureto pay attention to the 'city of titty.'It was more of a feminist statement, but a statementnonetheless. Warmly,Allison--- "healliam <healliam1" <healliam1wrote:> Okay, I know France is really away from Texas, but> you could perhaps > motivate your friend and organizate a same> demonstration the same day > at the same hour so the impact will be worldwide and> our coordination > will astonish ! > > Elie.> > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2003 Report Share Posted January 27, 2003 You're right. Why I would never go to the nude march and why I didn't go to the Mardi Gras (I wouldn't ever go to a wannabe mardi gras anyway...If I wanted that type of party, I'd fly to New Orleans.) This person (Elie) didn't attach naked pics, only an ad for a march in France. I didn't see anyone naked...But, I never clicked on the link either, b/c it was clear what the link was for. I opened your post, not knowing at all what it was, and ended up staring at a skank in a bikini. That wasn't cool. But, if you feel that you were treated unfairly...You should post that you absolutely do NOT want any links of any kind for anything outside of diet, exercise, and overall health and wellbeing. That sounds good to me. Warmly, Allison --- Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian wrote: > And you gave out about PETA and naked women! And how > children should not see that!!! I think a NUDE march > in public is a bit much for children. At least the > internet you choose what to see, whereas in public > you don't. Besides people are gone off the point!!! > Where's the veggie recipes > > Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote:We > already did something like that...Though it wasn't > for vegetarianism. During our 'Mardi Gras' in > Austin, > the police wanted to arrest all the women that were > going to show their breasts. They wanted it to be a > clean event. Well, almost every woman that went > simultaneously showed their breasts as soon as the > clock struck 7:00 (I believe that was the time). > Anyway, it was a planned event and the radios and > newstations were advertising it. Everyone made sure > to pay attention to the 'city of titty.' > It was more of a feminist statement, but a statement > nonetheless. > Warmly, > Allison > > --- " healliam <healliam1 " > <healliam1 > wrote: > > Okay, I know France is really away from Texas, but > > you could perhaps > > motivate your friend and organizate a same > > demonstration the same day > > at the same hour so the impact will be worldwide > and > > our coordination > > will astonish ! > > > > Elie. > > > > > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > http://mailplus. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2003 Report Share Posted January 27, 2003 Why is the nudity chocking ? I think that the adults (and some only) are more chocked that their children could see nude people than the children could really be... Keep cool, man... :=) , Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian> wrote: > > This is for Veggie Recipes that why. wHAT ABOUT CHILDREN? You can't go nude like that in public in front of children. Even I would not like to look at a nude man and I'm in my 20's. > " healliam <healliam1@a...> " <healliam1@a...> wrote:Hello > > Why did I get no reactions ? Nobody is interested by the idea ? Is it > too far away ? > > Bye. > > , " healliam <healliam1@a...> " > <healliam1@a...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > This an important information. > > > > I am organizing a nude vegetarian march in France whose the goal > will > > be to bring awareness of the vegetarian culture, and to protest > > against the prejudices by the more natural, audacious, non- violent > > and symbolic way : the nudity. > > > > There are many reasons I can't explain.. > > > > Just take a look at the website : > > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > > > then tell me what you think by contacting me on my private email > > (cause I can't really check on every list the reactions). > > healliam1@a... > > > > I would like to debate of it but I need first to find collaborators > > in all the countries. > > > > This manifestation could have great impact so don't forget it. > > > > Sincerily, elie. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/03 12:33:28 Paris, Madrid, an_irish_vegetarian a écrit : If nudity was ok in public, then we wouldn't wear clothes. The question is Why do we wear clothes ? I think it's a problem of prejudice : the same we have toward vegetarian alimentation. Just undress and you will realize that the nudity is nothing but something terribly insignificant. Well... There's just a human trouble, somes prejudices, in order to impeach you to do what you think. That's to keep a conformity... Well, the thing we do, wearing clothes, etc, are not often because they are usefull but because they are believed to be so... I don't think adults or children should be subjected to this kind of protest. What has it got to do with vegetarians? Perhaps you shall take a look to the site before critisizing the idea. It's explained better than I coul because of my poor english. http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ I don't want vegetarians viewed as some mad people that run around naked in cities and have no concerns for what others may think. Can I not have the opinion that I don't like to see naked men? I think it is disturbing and if I think that, (in my 20's who was a student, and loves to live life and quite open to many things) then how would a 5 year old child feel? Well, and how he feels when stupid advertizings in television show women in wonderbras and bikinis with sexual intentions, sucking icecream or caressing cars ?... Well I think you have just mistook in our intention and the way the event will be presented. We will make a kind of art : by painting on our body for example ; and we won't do any provocation. Our nudity will be not chocking because we'll not be doing excentric things... Just nudity is simple and symbolic. Sorry Healliam, but it's not just one persons view, its many others too. I would not like to see naked people walking down the streets in Dublin and hope they never do. I think some photos can been done tasteful, as in PETA, where you dont see a full frontal of either a man or a women. Whereas in a march, children would be subjected to peoples genitals and I think that is completely wrong and nothing got to do with vegetarians or what most of us believe in or want to be protrayed in public. That's a good idea too, it must debated. But anyway it's less audacious to put a pancart and would show we still are imprisonned by some prejudices (even if I think you don't think the same I do).... Anyway, I'm happy the part you take in the debate. We are open to discussion. Bye. Elie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 If nudity was ok in public, then we wouldn't wear clothes. I don't think adults or children should be subjected to this kind of protest. What has it got to do with vegetarians? I don't want vegetarians viewed as some mad people that run around naked in cities and have no concerns for what others may think. Can I not have the opinion that I don't like to see naked men? I think it is disturbing and if I think that, (in my 20's who was a student, and loves to live life and quite open to many things) then how would a 5 year old child feel? Sorry Healliam, but it's not just one persons view, its many others too. I would not like to see naked people walking down the streets in Dublin and hope they never do. I think some photos can been done tasteful, as in PETA, where you dont see a full frontal of either a man or a women. Whereas in a march, children would be subjected to peoples genitals and I think that is completely wrong and nothing got to do with vegetarians or what most of us believe in or want to be protrayed in public. "healliam <healliam1" <healliam1 wrote: Why is the nudity chocking ?I think that the adults (and some only) are more chocked that their children could see nude people than the children could really be...Keep cool, man... :=) , Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian> wrote:> > This is for Veggie Recipes that why. wHAT ABOUT CHILDREN? You can't go nude like that in public in front of children. Even I would not like to look at a nude man and I'm in my 20's.> "healliam <healliam1@a...>" <healliam1@a...> wrote:Hello> > Why did I get no reactions ? Nobody is interested by the idea ? Is it > too far away ?> > Bye.> > , "healliam <healliam1@a...>" > <healliam1@a...> wrote:> > Hello all,> > > > This an important information.> > > > I am organizing a nude vegetarian march in France whose the goal > will > > be to bring awareness of the vegetarian culture, and to protest > > against the prejudices by the more natural, audacious, non-violent > > and symbolic way : the nudity.> > > > There are many reasons I can't explain..> > > > Just take a look at the website :> > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > > > then tell me what you think by contacting me on my private email > > (cause I can't really check on every list the reactions). > > healliam1@a...> > > > I would like to debate of it but I need first to find collaborators > > in all the countries. > > > > This manifestation could have great impact so don't forget it. > > > > Sincerily, elie.> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 I read the website. My views do not change. I am even more angered, to see the photo on your website. The photo of a naked man in the street. I would rather eat meat then see a naked mans genitils. I think it is the most disgusting thing, it is offensive to young children. This is nothing got to do with vegetarians and it is just pervert. If you want to be naked in public there is a time and place (nude beach/adult resort). Naked on the internet or in public advertisement is one thing, they have laws and restrictions of what they can show to the public. Whereas this is a photo of a man who is in broad daylight in a street full of random people. I think it is SICK AND PERVERT! People like you, make me want to give up my vegetarianism, if it means I've to be related to these type of people. Vegetarianism is something people choose, you do not force it onto people, like you don't force nudity onto people. Never ever step into Ireland or UK!!!! We mainly wear clothes to cover our genitils, keep us warm and protect our skin!! In case you did not notice, most animals have fur. In case you did not notice, most animals do not have their genitils in full frontal view. healliam1 wrote: Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/03 12:33:28 Paris, Madrid, an_irish_vegetarian a écrit : If nudity was ok in public, then we wouldn't wear clothes.The question is Why do we wear clothes ? I think it's a problem of prejudice : the same we have toward vegetarian alimentation. Just undress and you will realize that the nudity is nothing but something terribly insignificant. Well... There's just a human trouble, somes prejudices, in order to impeach you to do what you think. That's to keep a conformity... Well, the thing we do, wearing clothes, etc, are not often because they are usefull but because they are believed to be so... I don't think adults or children should be subjected to this kind of protest. What has it got to do with vegetarians? Perhaps you shall take a look to the site before critisizing the idea. It's explained better than I coul because of my poor english. http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ I don't want vegetarians viewed as some mad people that run around naked in cities and have no concerns for what others may think. Can I not have the opinion that I don't like to see naked men? I think it is disturbing and if I think that, (in my 20's who was a student, and loves to live life and quite open to many things) then how would a 5 year old child feel? Well, and how he feels when stupid advertizings in television show women in wonderbras and bikinis with sexual intentions, sucking icecream or caressing cars ?... Well I think you have just mistook in our intention and the way the event will be presented. We will make a kind of art : by painting on our body for example ; and we won't do any provocation. Our nudity will be not chocking because we'll not be doing excentric things... Just nudity is simple and symbolic. Sorry Healliam, but it's not just one persons view, its many others too. I would not like to see naked people walking down the streets in Dublin and hope they never do. I think some photos can been done tasteful, as in PETA, where you dont see a full frontal of either a man or a women. Whereas in a march, children would be subjected to peoples genitals and I think that is completely wrong and nothing got to do with vegetarians or what most of us believe in or want to be protrayed in public. That's a good idea too, it must debated. But anyway it's less audacious to put a pancart and would show we still are imprisonned by some prejudices (even if I think you don't think the same I do).... Anyway, I'm happy the part you take in the debate. We are open to discussion. Bye. Elie. contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 If it's the same picture I saw I didn't see a naked man, I saw %# & #holes and elbows. LOL! Please for give me but that's what I thought when I saw it. Shame on me... I usually don't say or think those things. Can we get past this and move on to something the rest of us might enjoy chatting more about? Does anyone have a knock out EASY recipe for appetizers that even omnivores would like? I've got to serve something on Friday and am tired of cheeseballs and nachos. Robin in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Okay, let me laugh then.... The pervert man you see is me and I'm Vegan, don't drink, smoke, take drugs, I upkeep a french site of spirituality and I have no sexual relations with anyone (boy or girl)... Well, keep cool, ask yourself what is really pervert... (I think it's also the message I want to share) So, revise your morale. If you think it's much more horrible to see a man's sexual parts than to eat meat, then you are in the bunch of persons I would like make change in... Peace. Friendly. Elie , Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian> wrote: > > I read the website. My views do not change. I am even more angered, to see the photo on your website. The photo of a naked man in the street. I would rather eat meat then see a naked mans genitils. I think it is the most disgusting thing, it is offensive to young children. This is nothing got to do with vegetarians and it is just pervert. If you want to be naked in public there is a time and place (nude beach/adult resort). Naked on the internet or in public advertisement is one thing, they have laws and restrictions of what they can show to the public. Whereas this is a photo of a man who is in broad daylight in a street full of random people. > I think it is SICK AND PERVERT! People like you, make me want to give up my vegetarianism, if it means I've to be related to these type of people. Vegetarianism is something people choose, you do not force it onto people, like you don't force nudity onto people. > Never ever step into Ireland or UK!!!! We mainly wear clothes to cover our genitils, keep us warm and protect our skin!! In case you did not notice, most animals have fur. In case you did not notice, most animals do not have their genitils in full frontal view. > healliam1@a... wrote:Dans un e-mail daté du 28/01/03 12:33:28 Paris, Madrid, an_irish_vegetarian a écrit : > > > > If nudity was ok in public, then we wouldn't wear clothes. > > The question is Why do we wear clothes ? I think it's a problem of prejudice : the same we have toward vegetarian alimentation. Just undress and you will realize that the nudity is nothing but something terribly insignificant. Well... There's just a human trouble, somes prejudices, in order to impeach you to do what you think. That's to keep a conformity... > Well, the thing we do, wearing clothes, etc, are not often because they are usefull but because they are believed to be so... > > I don't think adults or children should be subjected to this kind of protest. What has it > got to do with vegetarians? > > Perhaps you shall take a look to the site before critisizing the idea. It's explained better than I coul because of my poor english. > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > I don't want vegetarians viewed as some mad people that run around naked in cities > and have no concerns for what others may think. Can I not have the opinion that I don't like to see naked men? I think it is disturbing and if I think that, (in my 20's who was a student, and loves to live life and quite open to many things) then how would a 5 year old child feel? > > Well, and how he feels when stupid advertizings in television show women in wonderbras and bikinis with sexual intentions, sucking icecream or caressing cars ?... Well I think you have just mistook in our intention and the way the event will be presented. We will make a kind of art : by painting on our body for example ; and we won't do any provocation. Our nudity will be not chocking because we'll not be doing excentric things... Just nudity is simple and symbolic. > > Sorry Healliam, but it's not just one persons view, its many others too. I would not like > to see naked people walking down the streets in Dublin and hope they never do. I think some photos can been done tasteful, as in PETA, where you dont see a full frontal of either a man or a women. Whereas in a march, children would be subjected to peoples genitals and I think that is completely wrong and nothing got to do with vegetarians or what most of us believe in or want to be protrayed in public. > > > That's a good idea too, it must debated. But anyway it's less audacious to put a pancart and would show we still are imprisonned by some prejudices (even if I think you don't think the same I do).... > > Anyway, I'm happy the part you take in the debate. We are open to discussion. > > Bye. Elie. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 I viewed that webpage. I found nothing revolting about it. I particularly enjoyed looking at all the people around you and their reaction...Or shall I say lack thereof? No body seemed to care, no body was offended. Warmly, Allison --- " healliam <healliam1 " <healliam1 wrote: > Okay, let me laugh then.... > > The pervert man you see is me and I'm Vegan, don't > drink, smoke, take > drugs, I upkeep a french site of spirituality and I > have no sexual > relations with anyone (boy or girl)... Well, keep > cool, ask yourself > what is really pervert... (I think it's also the > message I want to > share) > > So, revise your morale. If you think it's much more > horrible to see a > man's sexual parts than to eat meat, then you are in > the bunch of > persons I would like make change in... Peace. > > Friendly. Elie > > , Irish > Veggie > <an_irish_vegetarian> wrote: > > > > I read the website. My views do not change. I am > even more angered, > to see the photo on your website. The photo of a > naked man in the > street. I would rather eat meat then see a naked > mans genitils. I > think it is the most disgusting thing, it is > offensive to young > children. This is nothing got to do with vegetarians > and it is just > pervert. If you want to be naked in public there is > a time and place > (nude beach/adult resort). Naked on the internet or > in public > advertisement is one thing, they have laws and > restrictions of what > they can show to the public. Whereas this is a photo > of a man who is > in broad daylight in a street full of random people. > > I think it is SICK AND PERVERT! People like you, > make me want to > give up my vegetarianism, if it means I've to be > related to these > type of people. Vegetarianism is something people > choose, you do not > force it onto people, like you don't force nudity > onto people. > > Never ever step into Ireland or UK!!!! We mainly > wear clothes to > cover our genitils, keep us warm and protect our > skin!! In case you > did not notice, most animals have fur. In case you > did not notice, > most animals do not have their genitils in full > frontal view. > > healliam1@a... wrote:Dans un e-mail daté du > 28/01/03 12:33:28 > Paris, Madrid, an_irish_vegetarian a écrit : > > > > > > > > If nudity was ok in public, then we wouldn't wear > clothes. > > > > The question is Why do we wear clothes ? I think > it's a problem of > prejudice : the same we have toward vegetarian > alimentation. Just > undress and you will realize that the nudity is > nothing but something > terribly insignificant. Well... There's just a human > trouble, somes > prejudices, in order to impeach you to do what you > think. That's to > keep a conformity... > > Well, the thing we do, wearing clothes, etc, are > not often because > they are usefull but because they are believed to be > so... > > > > I don't think adults or children should be > subjected to this kind > of protest. What has it > > got to do with vegetarians? > > > > Perhaps you shall take a look to the site before > critisizing the > idea. It's explained better than I coul because of > my poor english. > > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > > > I don't want vegetarians viewed as some mad people > that run around > naked in cities > > and have no concerns for what others may think. > Can I not have the > opinion that I don't like to see naked men? I think > it is disturbing > and if I think that, (in my 20's who was a student, > and loves to live > life and quite open to many things) then how would a > 5 year old child > feel? > > > > Well, and how he feels when stupid advertizings in > television show > women in wonderbras and bikinis with sexual > intentions, sucking > icecream or caressing cars ?... Well I think you > have just mistook in > our intention and the way the event will be > presented. We will make a > kind of art : by painting on our body for example ; > and we won't do > any provocation. Our nudity will be not chocking > because we'll not be > doing excentric things... Just nudity is simple and > symbolic. > > > > Sorry Healliam, but it's not just one persons > view, its many others > too. I would not like > > to see naked people walking down the streets in > Dublin and hope > they never do. I think some photos can been done > tasteful, as in > PETA, where you dont see a full frontal of either a > man or a women. > Whereas in a march, children would be subjected to > peoples genitals > and I think that is completely wrong and nothing got > to do with > vegetarians or what most of us believe in or want to > be protrayed in > public. > > > > > > That's a good idea too, it must debated. But > anyway it's less > audacious to put a pancart and would show we still > are imprisonned by > some prejudices (even if I think you don't think the > same I do).... > > > > Anyway, I'm happy the part you take in the debate. > We are open to > discussion. > > > > Bye. Elie. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 I'll search my knock out easy, all around yummy, appetizer files:) Hopefully I'll find something to post. Warmly, Allison --- rwhitt1212 wrote: > If it's the same picture I saw I didn't see a naked > man, I saw %# & #holes and > elbows. LOL! > Please for give me but that's what I thought when I > saw it. Shame on me... I > usually don't say or think those things. > Can we get past this and move on to something the > rest of us might enjoy > chatting more about? > Does anyone have a knock out EASY recipe for > appetizers that even omnivores > would like? I've got to serve something on Friday > and am tired of cheeseballs > and nachos. > Robin in NC > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 That wasn't the point, it is what the people in the photo had to see from the front. Men should not be showing off their bits like that in the middle of the day on a busy street. You wont change my opinion and the person asked us for our opinion on the march. rwhitt1212 wrote: If it's the same picture I saw I didn't see a naked man, I saw %# & #holes and elbows. LOL! Please for give me but that's what I thought when I saw it. Shame on me... I usually don't say or think those things. Can we get past this and move on to something the rest of us might enjoy chatting more about? Does anyone have a knock out EASY recipe for appetizers that even omnivores would like? I've got to serve something on Friday and am tired of cheeseballs and nachos. Robin in NC contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 And could you personally ask the people in the street? I'm sorry but I don't like to look at mens bits and I don't think people should have to when they are trying go about their day. How would you like, if a complete stranger came into your work place or home and started dangling his bits in front of you and children? Would you be laughing then? Well this is worse, its in the middle of a street. Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote: I viewed that webpage. I found nothing revoltingabout it. I particularly enjoyed looking at all thepeople around you and their reaction...Or shall I saylack thereof? No body seemed to care, no body wasoffended. Warmly,Allison--- "healliam " wrote:> Okay, let me laugh then....> > The pervert man you see is me and I'm Vegan, don't> drink, smoke, take > drugs, I upkeep a french site of spirituality and I> have no sexual> relations with anyone (boy or girl)... Well, keep> cool, ask yourself > what is really pervert... (I think it's also the> message I want to > share)> > So, revise your morale. If you think it's much more> horrible to see a > man's sexual parts than to eat meat, then you are in> the bunch of > persons I would like make change in... Peace.> > Friendly. Elie > > , Irish> Veggie > wrote:> > > > I read the website. My views do not change. I am> even more angered, > to see the photo on your website. The photo of a> naked man in the > street. I would rather eat meat then see a naked> mans genitils. I > think it is the most disgusting thing, it is> offensive to young > children. This is nothing got to do with vegetarians> and it is just > pervert. If you want to be naked in public there is> a time and place > (nude beach/adult resort). Naked on the internet or> in public > advertisement is one thing, they have laws and> restrictions of what > they can show to the public. Whereas this is a photo> of a man who is > in broad daylight in a street full of random people.> > I think it is SICK AND PERVERT! People like you,> make me want to > give up my vegetarianism, if it means I've to be> related to these > type of people. Vegetarianism is something people> choose, you do not > force it onto people, like you don't force nudity> onto people.> > Never ever step into Ireland or UK!!!! We mainly> wear clothes to > cover our genitils, keep us warm and protect our> skin!! In case you > did not notice, most animals have fur. In case you> did not notice, > most animals do not have their genitils in full> frontal view.> > healliam1@a... wrote:Dans un e-mail daté du> 28/01/03 12:33:28 > Paris, Madrid, an_irish_vegetarian a écrit : > > > > > > > > If nudity was ok in public, then we wouldn't wear> clothes.> > > > The question is Why do we wear clothes ? I think> it's a problem of > prejudice : the same we have toward vegetarian> alimentation. Just > undress and you will realize that the nudity is> nothing but something > terribly insignificant. Well... There's just a human> trouble, somes > prejudices, in order to impeach you to do what you> think. That's to > keep a conformity... > > Well, the thing we do, wearing clothes, etc, are> not often because > they are usefull but because they are believed to be> so... > > > > I don't think adults or children should be> subjected to this kind > of protest. What has it > > got to do with vegetarians? > > > > Perhaps you shall take a look to the site before> critisizing the > idea. It's explained better than I coul because of> my poor english. > > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > > > I don't want vegetarians viewed as some mad people> that run around > naked in cities > > and have no concerns for what others may think.> Can I not have the > opinion that I don't like to see naked men? I think> it is disturbing > and if I think that, (in my 20's who was a student,> and loves to live > life and quite open to many things) then how would a> 5 year old child > feel? > > > > Well, and how he feels when stupid advertizings in> television show > women in wonderbras and bikinis with sexual> intentions, sucking > icecream or caressing cars ?... Well I think you> have just mistook in > our intention and the way the event will be> presented. We will make a > kind of art : by painting on our body for example ;> and we won't do > any provocation. Our nudity will be not chocking> because we'll not be > doing excentric things... Just nudity is simple and> symbolic. > > > > Sorry Healliam, but it's not just one persons> view, its many others > too. I would not like > > to see naked people walking down the streets in> Dublin and hope > they never do. I think some photos can been done> tasteful, as in > PETA, where you dont see a full frontal of either a> man or a women. > Whereas in a march, children would be subjected to> peoples genitals > and I think that is completely wrong and nothing got> to do with > vegetarians or what most of us believe in or want to> be protrayed in > public. > > > > > > That's a good idea too, it must debated. But> anyway it's less > audacious to put a pancart and would show we still> are imprisonned by > some prejudices (even if I think you don't think the> same I do).... > > > > Anyway, I'm happy the part you take in the debate.> We are open to > discussion. > > > > Bye. Elie. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 i'M EVEN MORE DISGUSTED. You are a sick person. Walking around nude in the middle of a busy shopping street has nothing to do with vegan's/veggies. It is just disturbing. I don't care if you don't take drugs or your sexual relations etc. It's still wrong to dangle your bits in front of people in the middle of a "public" street. You have no concern for children in public what so ever. You can't change my opinion. If you want to go nude, I can't stop it, but don't assoicate it with "vegetarian's" , as it is not something we "all" would do or believe in. Sick person. "healliam <healliam1" <healliam1 wrote: Okay, let me laugh then....The pervert man you see is me and I'm Vegan, don't drink, smoke, take drugs, I upkeep a french site of spirituality and I have no sexualrelations with anyone (boy or girl)... Well, keep cool, ask yourself what is really pervert... (I think it's also the message I want to share)So, revise your morale. If you think it's much more horrible to see a man's sexual parts than to eat meat, then you are in the bunch of persons I would like make change in... Peace.Friendly. Elie In 1983 the drug company Pfizer carried out a study to test the efficiency of animal tests. Human findings were compared with experimental data from rats and mice for all chemicals known to cause cancer in people. In most cases animal tests had given the wrong answers. The report concluded that we would have been better off to toss a coin! (D. Salsburg, Fundamental & Applied Toxicology, 1983, vol. 3, 63-67.) Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Well, if he was nudist then I wouldn't be offended...If he were a flasher, yes I would be HIGHLY disgusted, offended and would have him arrested. Warmly, Allison --- Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian wrote: > > And could you personally ask the people in the > street? I'm sorry but I don't like to look at mens > bits and I don't think people should have to when > they are trying go about their day. How would you > like, if a complete stranger came into your work > place or home and started dangling his bits in front > of you and children? Would you be laughing then? > Well this is worse, its in the middle of a street. > Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote:I > viewed that webpage. I found nothing revolting > about it. I particularly enjoyed looking at all the > people around you and their reaction...Or shall I > say > lack thereof? No body seemed to care, no body was > offended. > Warmly, > Allison > > --- " healliam " > wrote: > > Okay, let me laugh then.... > > > > The pervert man you see is me and I'm Vegan, don't > > drink, smoke, take > > drugs, I upkeep a french site of spirituality and > I > > have no sexual > > relations with anyone (boy or girl)... Well, keep > > cool, ask yourself > > what is really pervert... (I think it's also the > > message I want to > > share) > > > > So, revise your morale. If you think it's much > more > > horrible to see a > > man's sexual parts than to eat meat, then you are > in > > the bunch of > > persons I would like make change in... Peace. > > > > Friendly. Elie > > > > , Irish > > Veggie > > wrote: > > > > > > I read the website. My views do not change. I am > > even more angered, > > to see the photo on your website. The photo of a > > naked man in the > > street. I would rather eat meat then see a naked > > mans genitils. I > > think it is the most disgusting thing, it is > > offensive to young > > children. This is nothing got to do with > vegetarians > > and it is just > > pervert. If you want to be naked in public there > is > > a time and place > > (nude beach/adult resort). Naked on the internet > or > > in public > > advertisement is one thing, they have laws and > > restrictions of what > > they can show to the public. Whereas this is a > photo > > of a man who is > > in broad daylight in a street full of random > people. > > > I think it is SICK AND PERVERT! People like you, > > make me want to > > give up my vegetarianism, if it means I've to be > > related to these > > type of people. Vegetarianism is something people > > choose, you do not > > force it onto people, like you don't force nudity > > onto people. > > > Never ever step into Ireland or UK!!!! We mainly > > wear clothes to > > cover our genitils, keep us warm and protect our > > skin!! In case you > > did not notice, most animals have fur. In case you > > did not notice, > > most animals do not have their genitils in full > > frontal view. > > > healliam1@a... wrote:Dans un e-mail daté du > > 28/01/03 12:33:28 > > Paris, Madrid, an_irish_vegetarian a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > If nudity was ok in public, then we wouldn't > wear > > clothes. > > > > > > The question is Why do we wear clothes ? I think > > it's a problem of > > prejudice : the same we have toward vegetarian > > alimentation. Just > > undress and you will realize that the nudity is > > nothing but something > > terribly insignificant. Well... There's just a > human > > trouble, somes > > prejudices, in order to impeach you to do what you > > think. That's to > > keep a conformity... > > > Well, the thing we do, wearing clothes, etc, are > > not often because > > they are usefull but because they are believed to > be > > so... > > > > > > I don't think adults or children should be > > subjected to this kind > > of protest. What has it > > > got to do with vegetarians? > > > > > > Perhaps you shall take a look to the site before > > critisizing the > > idea. It's explained better than I coul because of > > my poor english. > > > http://vegetariensnus.free.fr/english/ > > > > > > I don't want vegetarians viewed as some mad > people > > that run around > > naked in cities > > > and have no concerns for what others may think. > > Can I not have the > > opinion that I don't like to see naked men? I > think > > it is disturbing > > and if I think that, (in my 20's who was a > student, > > and loves to live > > life and quite open to many things) then how would > a > > 5 year old child > > feel? > > > > > > Well, and how he feels when stupid advertizings > in > > television show > > women in wonderbras and bikinis with sexual > > intentions, sucking > > icecream or caressing cars ?... Well I think you > > have just mistook in > > our intention and the way the event will be > > presented. We will make a > > kind of art : by painting on our body for example > ; > > and we won't do > > any provocation. Our nudity will be not chocking > > because we'll not be > > doing excentric things... Just nudity is simple > and > > symbolic. > > > > > > Sorry Healliam, but it's not just one persons > > view, its many others > > too. I would not like > > > to see naked people walking down the streets in > > Dublin and hope > > they never do. I think some photos can been done > > tasteful, as in > > PETA, where you dont see a full frontal of either > a > > man or a women. > > Whereas in a march, children would be subjected to > > peoples genitals > > and I think that is completely wrong and nothing > got > > to do with > > vegetarians or what most of us believe in or want > to > > be protrayed in > > public. > > > > > > > > > That's a good idea too, it must debated. But > > anyway it's less > > audacious to put a pancart and would show we still > > are imprisonned by > > some prejudices (even if I think you don't think > the > > same I do).... > > > > > > Anyway, I'm happy the part you take in the > debate. > > We are open to > > discussion. > > > > > > Bye. Elie. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Okay, to bring lite of this conversation - I just love the term " dangle your bits " ....Sorry, just had to comment on that. I think I'll use it. I'm subjected to dangled bits everyday (aaahh, the married life). Warmly, Allison --- Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian wrote: > > i'M EVEN MORE DISGUSTED. You are a sick person. > Walking around nude in the middle of a busy shopping > street has nothing to do with vegan's/veggies. It is > just disturbing. I don't care if you don't take > drugs or your sexual relations etc. It's still wrong > to dangle your bits in front of people in the middle > of a " public " street. You have no concern for > children in public what so ever. You can't change my > opinion. If you want to go nude, I can't stop it, > but don't assoicate it with " vegetarian's " , as it > is not something we " all " would do or believe in. > Sick person. > " healliam <healliam1 " <healliam1 > wrote:Okay, let me laugh then.... > > The pervert man you see is me and I'm Vegan, don't > drink, smoke, take > drugs, I upkeep a french site of spirituality and I > have no sexual > relations with anyone (boy or girl)... Well, keep > cool, ask yourself > what is really pervert... (I think it's also the > message I want to > share) > > So, revise your morale. If you think it's much more > horrible to see a > man's sexual parts than to eat meat, then you are in > the bunch of > persons I would like make change in... Peace. > > Friendly. Elie > > > > In 1983 the drug company Pfizer carried out a study > to test the efficiency of animal tests. Human > findings were compared with experimental data from > rats and mice for all chemicals known to cause > cancer in people. In most cases animal tests had > given the wrong answers. The report concluded that > we would have been better off to toss a coin! (D. > Salsburg, Fundamental & Applied Toxicology, 1983, > vol. 3, 63-67.) > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 May I ask you, Why are you so afraid of the human body? The human body is a beautiful thing. Personally I will never walk around naked. I have a hard time baring my breasts on the beaches here in France. But I don’t think the human body is revolting. I personally think children viewing violence on TV, movies, news, in life, and hearing derogatory things is much worse then seeing a naked man. I wouldn’t let my children see porn, or pictures of people on display because those show the human body unnaturally (in positions that aren’t normal), those type of things shows women as objects, etc. But I wouldn’t be offended by a naked man. We all have “parts”, either breasts or penises. They are a normal thing. Children have them, adults have them, we all have one or the other. This man isn’t a “sick person” as you call him. I could never do what he is doing, but he is only standing up for what he believes. You need to not be so frightened by the human body. You live in Europe. Do you ever go to beaches on the “mainland.” Women go topless. Children run around naked. The nude beaches are right next to the regular beaches. Does that offend you? Obviously this man isn’t walking around a beach, but it is very similar. Keely - Irish Veggie Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:47 AM Re: Re: FIRST VEGETARIAN NUDE MARCH i'M EVEN MORE DISGUSTED. You are a sick person. Walking around nude in the middle of a busy shopping street has nothing to do with vegan's/veggies. It is just disturbing. I don't care if you don't take drugs or your sexual relations etc. It's still wrong to dangle your bits in front of people in the middle of a "public" street. You have no concern for children in public what so ever. You can't change my opinion. If you want to go nude, I can't stop it, but don't assoicate it with "vegetarian's" , as it is not something we "all" would do or believe in. Sick person. "healliam <healliam1" <healliam1 wrote: Okay, let me laugh then....The pervert man you see is me and I'm Vegan, don't drink, smoke, take drugs, I upkeep a french site of spirituality and I have no sexualrelations with anyone (boy or girl)... Well, keep cool, ask yourself what is really pervert... (I think it's also the message I want to share)So, revise your morale. If you think it's much more horrible to see a man's sexual parts than to eat meat, then you are in the bunch of persons I would like make change in... Peace.Friendly. Elie In 1983 the drug company Pfizer carried out a study to test the efficiency of animal tests. Human findings were compared with experimental data from rats and mice for all chemicals known to cause cancer in people. In most cases animal tests had given the wrong answers. The report concluded that we would have been better off to toss a coin! (D. Salsburg, Fundamental & Applied Toxicology, 1983, vol. 3, 63-67.) Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 I picked up a book last weekend, Ayurvedic Massage by Atreya. This quote jumped out at me: " You are not working with a mass of ligaments, tissues, organs and plasma. You are working with the Divine in a sentient form. Always remember this, even if your client does not. " It's all in your point of view, IMO, and where you choose to see beauty. Kris --- Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian wrote: > > i'M EVEN MORE DISGUSTED. You are a sick person. Walking around nude in the > middle of a busy shopping street has nothing to do with vegan's/veggies. It is > just disturbing. I don't care if you don't take drugs or your sexual relations > etc. It's still wrong to dangle your bits in front of people in the middle of > a " public " street. You have no concern for children in public what so ever. > You can't change my opinion. If you want to go nude, I can't stop it, but > don't assoicate it with " vegetarian's " , as it is not something we " all " would > do or believe in. Sick person. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 Yes, and mens dangle wiggly bits are not beautiful in my eyes at all. I think they are disgusting and would never want to be forced to look at them in public as I would find that as abuse. I like to see mens dangling bits wrapped away. Kris <kristc99 wrote: I picked up a book last weekend, Ayurvedic Massage by Atreya. This quote jumpedout at me:"You are not working with a mass of ligaments, tissues, organs and plasma. Youare working with the Divine in a sentient form. Always remember this, even ifyour client does not."It's all in your point of view, IMO, and where you choose to see beauty.Kris--- Irish Veggie <an_irish_vegetarian wrote:> > i'M EVEN MORE DISGUSTED. You are a sick person. Walking around nude in the> middle of a busy shopping street has nothing to do with vegan's/veggies. It is> just disturbing. I don't care if you don't take drugs or your sexual relations> etc. It's still wrong to dangle your bits in front of people in the middle of> a "public" street. You have no concern for children in public what so ever.> You can't change my opinion. If you want to go nude, I can't stop it, but> don't assoicate it with "vegetarian's" , as it is not something we "all" would> do or believe in. Sick person. Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.http://mailplus.contact owner: -owner Mail list: Delivered-mailing list List-Un: - no flaming arguing or denigration of others allowedcontact owner with complaints regarding posting/list or anything else. Thank you.please share/comment/inform and mostly enjoy this list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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